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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2019, 03:56:23 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 17, 2019, 03:44:54 am
Its drumming now.  Can't wait for government displays of Ashoura


What American Indian tribe practices that?

(NONE) Even the Sundance ceremony has been banned. Now, those who wish to prove their manhood go off and join the Marines....
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2019, 03:57:20 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 17, 2019, 03:45:23 am
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2019, 04:36:49 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 17, 2019, 02:22:54 am
Again, that's a false equivalency.  Native American culture is not equal to islam.

That is not a winning argument.


Catholics, Sikhs and Jews cover their heads.  The "freedom" to practice one's religion, including dress, is very American.

 
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2019, 05:21:09 am »
Quote from: truth_seeker on January 17, 2019, 04:36:49 am
That is not a winning argument.


Catholics, Sikhs and Jews cover their heads.  The "freedom" to practice one's religion, including dress, is very American.

 

Yeah.  Looks like Jay Inslee has some of that Native American that Elizabeth has.  Dress is fine, but I wonder what the rest of the people have to do with it?  I kind of think its like photo op.  A public display to say hey look at us!
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2019, 03:16:26 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on January 17, 2019, 04:36:49 am
That is not a winning argument.


Catholics, Sikhs and Jews cover their heads.  The "freedom" to practice one's religion, including dress, is very American.

 

Islam is not merely a religion.  It's much more than that, and it's antithetical to American and Western civilization ideology.  It's also not American.

Catholics and Jews cover their heads in church/synagogue, as do some other Christian denominations.  That's irrelevant here.  I've seen Sikhs in three-piece suits with turbans and as far as I know, no one gives them a hard time about it.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2019, 03:19:22 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 17, 2019, 05:21:09 am
Yeah.  Looks like Jay Inslee has some of that Native American that Elizabeth has.  Dress is fine, but I wonder what the rest of the people have to do with it?  I kind of think its like photo op.  A public display to say hey look at us!

Well, yeah.....she just became elected to the Washington lege, and you bet she's going to invite family and friends and have photos taken.  I would.  :shrug:
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2019, 03:32:37 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 17, 2019, 03:19:22 pm
Well, yeah.....she just became elected to the Washington lege, and you bet she's going to invite family and friends and have photos taken.  I would.  :shrug:

You are right.  I just don't like her and that is my problem.  I am sure that she is a very nice woman but its about her politics.  Its about Washington and the enviro Nazi's who will force environmental taxes on us even though we voted against them.

https://www.debralekanoff.com/endorsements/
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2019, 03:38:40 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 17, 2019, 03:32:37 pm
You are right.  I just don't like her and that is my problem.  I am sure that she is a very nice woman but its about her politics.  Its about Washington and the enviro Nazi's who will force environmental taxes on us even though we voted against them.

https://www.debralekanoff.com/endorsements/

I'm with you there.  But, I don't like WA state politics in general, so anyone who gets elected is probably at odds with my views.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2019, 03:43:59 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 17, 2019, 02:22:54 am
Again, that's a false equivalency.  Native American culture is not equal to islam.

Again, you deliberately ignore the principle involved here.  What you think is "American" is not the point.  Let's not throw away 200 years of smart tradition because you like to argue @Sanguine

Sometimes "none" IS the right answer. This is one of those times.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2019, 04:02:48 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 17, 2019, 03:43:59 pm
Again, you deliberately ignore the principle involved here.  What you think is "American" is not the point.  Let's not throw away 200 years of smart tradition because you like to argue @Sanguine

Sometimes "none" IS the right answer. This is one of those times.

Someday you'll say something meaningful.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2019, 04:06:39 pm »
Plenty people, call Trump a Nazi if he wears his native Lederhosen.


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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2019, 04:17:12 pm »
It's funny how people point out a host of garb from other countries and even berate this woman for not wearing the latest fashions derived from those fresh from Paris, France, and can ignore the fact that her traditional garb is the only actual American outfit in the room. Next thing, y'all will be telling her to go back if she doesn't like it here.


If you know enough about her politics to not like them, harp on that. Not the idea of wearing something as traditional for ceremonies among her people as a tuxedo or evening gown is for y'all. And please keep in mind that what she is wearing is traditional American, not some knock off from some other country or continent.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2019, 04:18:06 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 16, 2019, 01:19:03 am
I don't see a problem with this.

Really, there should not be a problem since this woman is actually Indian.

But, somehow, it just looks stupid.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2019, 04:19:50 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on January 17, 2019, 04:18:06 pm
Really, there should not be a problem since this woman is actually Indian.

But, somehow, it just looks stupid.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2019, 04:21:17 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 16, 2019, 01:25:59 am
Aren't Salish part of her constituency?  That is partly who she is representing.  If Greg Abbott shows up for his swearing in wearing a cowboy hat is that a bad thing?

Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, Rick Perry and a lot of Texas men wear boots frequently, but I don't think they would add spurs and a rope at a swearing in ceremony.

I think it's okay if that's what she wanted to do but she has to be prepared for a few guffaws from the crowd.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2019, 04:33:43 pm »
Well, this was a kinda interesting thread.  And most people resisted being sucked in by the would-be Comediennes.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2019, 04:36:32 pm »
Quote from: Emjay on January 17, 2019, 04:21:17 pm
Ted Cruz, Greg Abbott, Rick Perry and a lot of Texas men wear boots frequently, but I don't think they would add spurs and a rope at a swearing in ceremony.

I think it's okay if that's what she wanted to do but she has to be prepared for a few guffaws from the crowd.
You don't wear spurs and a rope to a formal occasion, unless you're getting hanged.

Her outfit is nice, the drummers and singers are the norm for special occasions, and seen at weddings and funerals, too.
It is obvious many here don't know jack about American Indian culture (My wife is Chippewa) and not a hell of a lot about cowboying either.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2019, 04:49:52 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 17, 2019, 04:36:32 pm
You don't wear spurs and a rope to a formal occasion, unless you're getting hanged.

Her outfit is nice, the drummers and singers are the norm for special occasions, and seen at weddings and funerals, too.
It is obvious many here don't know jack about American Indian culture (My wife is Chippewa) and not a hell of a lot about cowboying either.

I've already defended the woman's right to wear the garb so I don't know what you want from me.  I just pointed out that she had to be prepared for a little criticism.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2019, 08:21:05 pm »
Hey if Julian Castro gets sworn in in a Sombrero and a Mariachi band in the background I guess the Injun can do it too without us Palefaces going on the warpath.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2019, 08:58:20 pm »
Quote from: The Ghost on January 17, 2019, 08:21:05 pm
Hey if Julian Castro gets sworn in in a Sombrero and a Mariachi band in the background I guess the Injun can do it too without us Palefaces going on the warpath.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2019, 08:59:24 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on January 17, 2019, 01:53:25 am
According to Ancestry.com that could be a problem for me..I am from almost everywhere..lol



lol.  Then you can wear something different...every day!   A lot of choices.  Layers? 
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2019, 09:07:20 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 17, 2019, 02:27:50 am
As is Brooks Brothers, Saks, and the host of European remakes that you consider 'normal' American clothing. All that 'style' is imported. Hers, at least, is American.


I am imported too.  I have only one outfit, as I am pure European, as far as I know.  Back then, people weren't  even allowed to marry outside their village.  Had more to do with property, than love.  Just saying...a bit over the top wearing that Native costume in 2019.  Wear it at home, celebrate it at home. BTW. I have great respect for Native Americans, as they are very spiritual and a talented group.  Just over the top for me.  :patriot:  :patriot:  :patriot:
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2019, 09:15:02 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on January 17, 2019, 04:06:39 pm
Plenty people, call Trump a Nazi if he wears his native Lederhosen.


Or Kilt. His mom was Scottish.  50/50.  Typical mixed American. 
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2019, 09:30:23 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 17, 2019, 04:36:32 pm
You don't wear spurs and a rope to a formal occasion, unless you're getting hanged.

Her outfit is nice, the drummers and singers are the norm for special occasions, and seen at weddings and funerals, too.
It is obvious many here don't know jack about American Indian culture (My wife is Chippewa) and not a hell of a lot about cowboying either.

American Indian culture ... last time I checked this is AMERICA and she represents AMERICA.  It's not American Italian, American German, American African, American Hispanic, just plain ole AMERICAN.  Dressing up in garb to represent another culture, especially at  a Congressional swearing in ceremony is just plain wrong and ridiculous.  It has no place.
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Re: First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swear
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2019, 09:45:29 pm »
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