First Native American woman elected to Washington legislature wears traditional regalia at swearing-

[LegalAmerican]

Sorry...

[roamer_1]

I can't. It is the equivalent of a formal evening dress for her. Even implying she shouldn't wear it,never mind complaining about her actually wearing it is positively anti-American. Her people were here long,LONG before Lizzy Warren's ancestors showed up.

@sneakypete
Yeah, I get all that... I was saying that the bright colors, totems, and jangly bits of typical native ceremonial wear might look like it came from a tourist trap (as some have actually said, right here on this thread)... Because tourist trap Indian shows and Hollywood make-believe is what they know - NOT that they are right in that assumption. To back east city folks it looks tacky, and they don't know that mamma's stylin. I was more allowing for their ignorance than anything.

Maybe it's a Rockies/Northern Plains thing. Here, cowboys and indians often see eye to eye... Rodeos have indian games built right into them. you will have to go far to find a (dress) cowboy hat without feathers, turquoise, or silver on em and native looking hat bands are common. Heck, many buckles and bolos are native themed.

 Hillbillies even more so. A lot of my leathers have had bead and quill-work... I have a quill throat guard... My mocs have often had beadwork, as have knife sheaths and possibles bags. My 30.30 was decorated by a Salish gal. It's what they do.

Go to a powwow or a rondy here and either one will be about half native and half hillbilly, everybody dressed in leathers, and many of the natives, especially the gals, wearing bright, full on native dresses similar to their ceremonial stuff, or at least some of it.

So me and you, and Joe too, are probably more accustomed to Native ways. It is natural to me, at least... I will stand to correct the ignorance about it, but I get where that ignorance comes from.

I dare anyone to take a look at her and try to claim she is a poser,or that she is not connected in any way to her ancestors history. This ain't some gomer "playing cowboys and Indians".

That's right... Far be it from me to defend what is probably a liberal Democrat, and I hate to be put in that position... But her heritage is not part of that.

[LegalAmerican]

From around the world.  Part one.


Sorry...

[roamer_1]

In a way I agree with you.  It is however if they have an agenda because of it.  Like the Palestinian woman who wore her traditional garb.  She did it to make a point that she was Palestinian.  People either serve according to the Constitution or they are activists in office.  I think the Muslim will for sure be an activist for Palestinians in office.

Well of course she is going to have an agenda, and it will likely include Native affairs. That ain't any different than an Iowa farmer being more likely to worry about Big Ag than the price of tea in Des Moines. That doesn't mean he won't serve his constituency in Des Moines too, it's just a matter of who he is. You can't take the heritage outta her anymore than you can that farmer.

That being said, she is probably going to be out for reparations and such because of her being a Dem. I surely won't defend that sort of thing. But that's because she is a Democrat, not because she is a Native.

[ABX]

[vine][/vine]

Well of course she is going to have an agenda, and it will likely include Native affairs. That ain't any different than an Iowa farmer being more likely to worry about Big Ag than the price of tea in Des Moines. That doesn't mean he won't serve his constituency in Des Moines too, it's just a matter of who he is. You can't take the heritage outta her anymore than you can that farmer.

That being said, she is probably going to be out for reparations and such because of her being a Dem. I surely won't defend that sort of thing. But that's because she is a Democrat, not because she is a Native.

Interestingly, up until recently, Natives leaned Republican and in places like Oklahoma, overwhelmingly, their representatives to the state legislature are Republicans. Even in Congress it was split evenly up until r cently with both Tom Cole and Markwayne Mullin being Congressman on Native rolls.

Generally Natives are very pragmatic and distrusting of big government (understandingly so) so they would be a prime audience for traditional Conservatives. However, the move towards populism on the right side changing that.

[roamer_1]

[vine][/vine]
Interestingly, up until recently, Natives leaned Republican and in places like Oklahoma, overwhelmingly, their representatives to the state legislature are Republicans. Even in Congress it was split evenly up until r cently with both Tom Cole and Markwayne Mullin being Congressman on Native rolls.

Generally Natives are very pragmatic and distrusting of big government (understandingly so) so they would be a prime audience for traditional Conservatives. However, the move towards populism on the right side changing that.

That's right. This will probably get me in trouble, but it's the rez. Reservations tend to be on the teat, and whining for more... so their governance is largely in the Democrat bailiwick. But many of the Natives living on the rez, and most of those off the rez tend to live their lives as conservatives, and tend toward civil libertarianism just as you describe.

[LegalAmerican]

I think the point is made. Come on. Everybody show up in your traditional heritage GARB.


Sorry...

[mystery-ak]

I think the point is made. Come on. Everybody show up in your traditional heritage GARB.


Sorry...

According to Ancestry.com that could be a problem for me..I am from almost everywhere..lol

[musiclady]

I don't see a problem with this.

I agree, and very much appreciate the defense of Native people on this thread.

(Even though I'm an Eastern - sort of - city girl.  )

[NavyCanDo]

I don't see a problem with this.

As a resident of WA use to seeing our NW Indians in their traditional regalia at occasional events, I don't find this unusual or out of place. However, our idiot governor standing in the back wearing a robe, now that is downright hilarious.

[ABX]

That's right. This will probably get me in trouble, but it's the rez. Reservations tend to be on the teat, and whining for more... so their governance is largely in the Democrat bailiwick. But many of the Natives living on the rez, and most of those off the rez tend to live their lives as conservatives, and tend toward civil libertarianism just as you describe.

It is going g to change with younger generations. Their grandparents remember why you shouldn't trust a big, powerful government. The younger generations, besides typical political targeting, don't have that difference to look to. They see two major parties both representing big government, but one is offering them stuff (and they don't understand the trap) and the other, as seen even on this thread, is condescending to them and their culture.

If any political group needs to step up and could meet their traditional values and attitudes, it should be the Libertarian. But unfortunately the party is too dysfunctional.

[Sanguine]

This is not the point @Sanguine ... Once one cultural/ethnic costume is permitted in American legislatures ... all must be. You don't get the luxury of picking and choosing.  This is one instance where it's none or all.  We've lived with none for 240 years, let's not bleep with it now....even if you happen to find it benign.

If you don't want Muslim garb .... then you can't accept Indian dress.

It's ....oh, what's that word .... ah yes, the *principle* needs to be upheld.

Again, that's a false equivalency.  Native American culture is not equal to islam. 

[Smokin Joe]

We are so screwed.  This is what diversity brings. AFRICANS?  BONE IN NOSE?  Grass skirts.  Scottish skirts?  Can the men wear Leder Hosen?  I saw a DRUM. DRUMMING. Are you guys kidding me?  Burka's.  Greek dress, with the pom poms and white hose.
More than ridiculous.

As is Brooks Brothers, Saks, and the host of European remakes that you consider 'normal' American clothing. All that 'style' is imported. Hers, at least, is American.

[Chosen Daughter]

Well of course she is going to have an agenda, and it will likely include Native affairs. That ain't any different than an Iowa farmer being more likely to worry about Big Ag than the price of tea in Des Moines. That doesn't mean he won't serve his constituency in Des Moines too, it's just a matter of who he is. You can't take the heritage outta her anymore than you can that farmer.

That being said, she is probably going to be out for reparations and such because of her being a Dem. I surely won't defend that sort of thing. But that's because she is a Democrat, not because she is a Native.

I can tell you what the agenda is going to be.  I live here.  We have several Native American celebrations, events.........etc.  I love the Native Americans in our area but be assured the agenda is environmental.

[roamer_1]

I can tell you what the agenda is going to be.  I live here.  We have several Native American celebrations, events.........etc.  I love the Native Americans in our area but be assured the agenda is environmental.

Yeah, probably. But not in a good way.
There are Natives here that do likewise. Right now they are trying to claim original water rights to every drip of water in the state, and the feds are backing the play.
Believe me, I know.

That don't make em all that way. It ain't because they're native - It's because they're Democrats.

[goodwithagun]

Wow. Where did states’ rights go with conservatives?

[ABX]

Wow. Where did states’ rights go with conservatives?

Populists took over. They like big, central federal government.

[Chosen Daughter]

Yeah, probably. But not in a good way.
There are Natives here that do likewise. Right now they are trying to claim original water rights to every drip of water in the state, and the feds are backing the play.
Believe me, I know.

That don't make em all that way. It ain't because they're native - It's because they're Democrats.

@NavyCanDo spotted it.  Its Jay Inslee in the back wearing his Native blanket.  Believe me Its an environmental agenda.  They are trying to force an environmental tax on us.  Oh, BTW I guess he is going to run for president.

[goodwithagun]

Populists took over. They like big, central federal government.

Might one say, a yuge federal government?

[goodwithagun]

We are so screwed.  This is what diversity brings. AFRICANS?  BONE IN NOSE?  Grass skirts.  Scottish skirts?  Can the men wear Leder Hosen?  I saw a DRUM. DRUMMING. Are you guys kidding me?  Burka's.  Greek dress, with the pom poms and white hose.
More than ridiculous.

Yeah, no. They’re kilts, not skirts. They’re also $&*@#%& hot. @RoosGirl can I get a ruling on this asshat’s logic?

[goodwithagun]

My exhibit A: Hotter than anything @LegalAmerican has had, based on previous post.

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[Chosen Daughter]

 Its drumming now.  Can't wait for government displays of Ashoura

[roamer_1]

Oh, BTW I guess he is going to run for president.

Whee! 

[Frank Cannon]

I think the point is made. Come on. Everybody show up in your traditional heritage GARB.

[RoosGirl]

My exhibit A: Hotter than anything @LegalAmerican has had, based on previous post.

Completely acceptable in any sane person's book.