'Gang of 20' emerges in Senate to push for a border wall deal

[Jazzhead]

I'll tell you what's wrong:  Anybody willing to compromise without knowing what the other side wants is a fool. 

Right now, the radical Dems and Republicans are unwilling to even discuss compromise, so the issue of what could be a fair deal is being discussed among both parties' "squishes" .  But my point is that some compromise is appropriate in order to get the money needed for border security.  Assuming, of course, that that's still your goal. 

Normalizing the Dreamers is a small price to pay for effective border security.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Right now, the radical Dems and Republicans are unwilling to even discuss compromise, so the issue of what could be a fair deal is being discussed among both parties' "squishes" .  But my point is that some compromise is appropriate in order to get the money needed for border security.  Assuming, of course, that that's still your goal. 

Normalizing the Dreamers is a small price to pay for effective border security.   

I don't know if that is the price, and unless you're one of the "gang," you don't either.

[roamer_1]

So long as the compromise includes the money the President needs for border security,  what's wrong with that?   

It depends upon what it costs.

[roamer_1]

There's no deal without Trump's agreement.

Yes there is... They can go around him.

[Sanguine]

Yes there is... They can go around him.

And, he's got some options.

[Hoodat]

It seems that even Trumps close friends are against him.

A real friend would have persuaded him not to hire Paul Manfort and Reince Priebus.

[roamer_1]

And, he's got some options.

Not in the face of an override. He can sit and take it, or declare a national emergency, or my favorite, declare war on Mexico... which, btw, is every bit as calamitous as declaring the emergency, but probably more legal.

[Emjay]

Right now, the radical Dems and Republicans are unwilling to even discuss compromise, so the issue of what could be a fair deal is being discussed among both parties' "squishes" .  But my point is that some compromise is appropriate in order to get the money needed for border security.  Assuming, of course, that that's still your goal. 

Normalizing the Dreamers is a small price to pay for effective border security.   

Maybe but that's assuming you can trust the people you are bargaining with.  We can't.  Give them a dreamer, they'll take a mile.

[Hoodat]

Normalizing the Dreamers is a small price to pay for effective border security.   

Been there, done that.  Trump already tried normalizing the Dreamers.  But the second the Dems found out that Trump was supporting the Dreamers, they withdrew their support.

[libertybele]

So long as the compromise includes the money the President needs for border security,  what's wrong with that?   

Everything.  As I've tried to explain before, compromising on the sovereignty of our country is absolutely unacceptable in any way, shape or form. 

All the DEMS are interested in are votes and to ascertain complete power and control. DACA, Dreamers, Amensty, Asylum = eventual DEM votes which will mathematically eliminate the chances of a GOP being seated in the House, Senate or oval office.

It truly is very disheartening that the GOP had complete control and power of the Oval office, House and Senate and because they couldn't get their ducks in a row and stick together, here we sit.  The GOP may have had the majority, but obviously the DEMS were and still are in control. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Right now, the radical Dems and Republicans are unwilling to even discuss compromise, so the issue of what could be a fair deal is being discussed among both parties' "squishes" .  But my point is that some compromise is appropriate in order to get the money needed for border security.  Assuming, of course, that that's still your goal. 

Normalizing the Dreamers is a small price to pay for effective border security.   

We tried that compromise crap over 30 years with Reagan,  It doesn't work with the Democrats, as they will not go along with their end of the bargain.

So no thanks, we do not give in.

[Hoodat]

We tried that compromise crap over 30 years with Reagan,  It doesn't work with the Democrats, as they will not go along with their end of the bargain.

So no thanks, we do not give in.

In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.

-Ayn Rand-

[roamer_1]

It truly is very disheartening that the GOP had complete control and power of the Oval office, House and Senate and because they couldn't get their ducks in a row and stick together, here we sit.  The GOP may have had the majority, but obviously the DEMS were and still are in control.

And therein lies the paucity of pragmatism. BECAUSE people want Republican butts in the seats MORE THAN principled Conservatism (which the Republicans purport to use as their platform), there is not enough unity under the standard to get anything done.

It isn't that Conservatives won't compromise, it's that Republicans have become so politically promiscuous that they bear no standard *At ALL* - And without that standard, there is nothing to raise for folks to run to and fight for.

It has been reduced to whatever is popular and centers upon 'heroes' that will never be able to unite everyone. Thus the dilemma.

If you stand for nothing, you'll fight for nothing, and populism is the bitter end... and a damnable shame.

[Fishrrman]

NO !!

No "deals".
These things ALWAYS favor the democrat-communists.

Gonna repeat:
NO DEALS !

[roamer_1]

We tried that compromise crap over 30 years with Reagan,  It doesn't work with the Democrats, as they will not go along with their end of the bargain.

So no thanks, we do not give in.

Your trust is misplaced in Republicans as well - Remember, it was Kay Bailey Hutchison, a Texan and a Republican, that ramrodded the bill that removed the funding for Hunter's Fence after it had passed.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Your trust is misplaced in Republicans as well - Remember, it was Kay Bailey Hutchison, a Texan and a Republican, that ramrodded the bill that removed the funding for Hunter's Fence after it had passed.

She was a liberal RINO since day one. We did not want her for Governor either.

Ted is a nice replacement for her.

Now we need Cornyn to go down.......