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House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« on: January 14, 2019, 11:21:49 pm »
House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
By Juliegrace Brufke - 01/14/19 05:37 PM EST

House Democrats are slated to introduce legislation on Wednesday aimed at gradually raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2024.

Under the legislation — spearheaded by House Committee on Education and Labor Chairman Bobby Scott (D-Va.) — the minimum wage would be indexed to match the changes to the median wage starting in 2025.

It would also gradually eliminate provisions allowing tipped workers to be paid less than the minimum wage.

"By gradually increasing pay for millions of workers, Congress can raise living standards and lift millions of Americans out of poverty," Scott and Reps. Stephanie Murphy  (D-Fla.) and Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) wrote in a Dear Colleague letter calling on lawmakers to cosponsor the bill.

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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 11:39:36 pm »
"By gradually increasing pay for millions of workers, Congress can raise living standards and lift millions of Americans out of poverty,"

Sure it will. It's not like everyone else with real jobs are going to sit around and work for the same rate as some drug addict piece of ghetto trash at White Castle is making.

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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 11:49:40 pm »
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The Fight for $15 isn’t living up to its promise.

For years, liberals have claimed that the minimum wage needs to increase to $15 an hour to provide a living wage for full-time workers. The stated goal, as socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders writes on his website, is straightforward, “We must ensure that no full-time worker lives in poverty.”

In one way, the campaign has been remarkably successful. California and New York are phasing in a statewide $15 an hour minimum wage. Numerous cities, including Seattle, Minneapolis and Washington D.C., have passed $15 an hour minimum wage laws as well.

But as sure as the sun comes up in the morning, progressives are now demanding more.

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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 11:53:19 pm »
"By gradually increasing pay for millions of workers, Congress can raise living standards and lift millions of Americans out of poverty,"

Sure it will. It's not like everyone else with real jobs are going to sit around and work for the same rate as some drug addict piece of ghetto trash at White Castle is making.

If the minimum wage did go up other wages would go up too, no? Milton Friedman made me question if there should be a minimum wage at all, but in this world where there is one I think employers have no choice but to pay more for all labor as the minimum rises. Nobody will seek to do more dangerous/complicated work if they're not getting paid extra for it.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 11:53:22 pm »
Looks like Democrats are working overtime to trash the economy ahead of the 2020 election - a strategy that worked well for them in 1992 and 2008.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 11:55:04 pm »
Looks like Democrats are working overtime to trash the economy ahead of the 2020 election - a strategy that worked well for them in 1992 and 2008.

It's a political prop more than anything. They know it won't pass. They want it to fire up their base when the Republicans shoot it down.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 11:58:07 pm »
Hey great idea 'rats. Got any more job killing concepts ready to go?

Out here in CA small business owners the wife & I are currently in the process of being driven out of business by a constantly increasing minimum wage. We can't afford to keep the entry level jobs open we previously had available.

Between sh*t like this and Obamacare its hardly worth the trouble anymore.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2019, 11:58:58 pm »
Milton Friedman made me question if there should be a minimum wage at all, but in this world where there is one I think employers have no choice but to pay more for all labor as the minimum rises.

Big unions are the ones pushing this since union wages are based on some dollar amount above minimum wage.  If this passes, union workers get an automatic $7/hr raise.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 11:59:56 pm »
If the minimum wage did go up other wages would go up too, no? Milton Friedman made me question if there should be a minimum wage at all, but in this world where there is one I think employers have no choice but to pay more for all labor as the minimum rises. Nobody will seek to do more dangerous/complicated work if they're not getting paid extra for it.

Minimum wages are inflationary.

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 12:18:41 am »
Minimum wages are inflationary.

Yeah, but at least until inflation evens things out boosts to the minimum are a boon to low income workers. I'm not arguing that it's the solution to poverty or anything ridiculous like that.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 12:45:01 am »
It's a political prop more than anything. They know it won't pass. They want it to fire up their base when the Republicans shoot it down.

I at this point am not at all confident in most of our GOP Senators; it may just pass.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 12:51:46 am »
Yeah, but at least until inflation evens things out boosts to the minimum are a boon to low income workers. I'm not arguing that it's the solution to poverty or anything ridiculous like that.

That's a month... maybe 90 days. Inflating the dollar for such a meager benefit is insane.

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2019, 12:56:56 am »
but in this world where there is one I think employers have no choice but to pay more for all labor as the minimum rises.

Sure there is a choice - Close the doors, mechanize to eliminate workers, or restructure and operate without employees at all.

Most employers in the US are small businesses. I am on the upswing, but I am purposefully designing my business to be me and a couple sub contractors. I won't be able to handle near as much, but I also don;t have to make anywhere near as much to wind up with the same net.

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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2019, 01:03:26 am »
Yeah, but at least until inflation evens things out boosts to the minimum are a boon to low income workers. I'm not arguing that it's the solution to poverty or anything ridiculous like that.

LOL. Are you for real? The minimum wage was instituted by FDR in 1938. How comes we still have poverty today? Oh yeah. Within a couple months everyone else, who aren't bottom feeding dunces, ask that they get more money so they are not making the same money as losers for real work. It does nothing.

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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2019, 01:15:38 am »
House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
By Juliegrace Brufke - 01/14/19 05:37 PM EST

House Democrats are slated to introduce legislation on Wednesday aimed at gradually raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2024.

Under the legislation — spearheaded by House Committee on Education and Labor Chairman Bobby Scott (D-Va.) — the minimum wage would be indexed to match the changes to the median wage starting in 2025.

It would also gradually eliminate provisions allowing tipped workers to be paid less than the minimum wage.

"By gradually increasing pay for millions of workers, Congress can raise living standards and lift millions of Americans out of poverty," Scott and Reps. Stephanie Murphy  (D-Fla.) and Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) wrote in a Dear Colleague letter calling on lawmakers to cosponsor the bill.

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Government has no business dictating what employers pay.  Minimum wage bills always backfire, and result in fewer entry level jobs for people who need them.

What really works is what Trump is doing in creating a healthier economy and a better job picture for everyone.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 02:15:28 am »
If the minimum wage did go up other wages would go up too, no? Milton Friedman made me question if there should be a minimum wage at all, but in this world where there is one I think employers have no choice but to pay more for all labor as the minimum rises. Nobody will seek to do more dangerous/complicated work if they're not getting paid extra for it.
Raise those wages and the expenses involved with producing the cheap goods those low wage workers produce will rise. That cost will be passed on to the consumer, and the "living wage" will increase beyond the new level.  Unless we want Carter-like inflation, they should cease and desist.

The other proverbial fece in the punch bowl comes for those who have already or are shortly retiring, who will see their purchasing power diminish rapidly rendering their savings (and any pensions/social security they get) worth considerably less.

As an aside, it is the government trying to inflate its way out of debt. The numbers are fixed, the money is worth less and easier to come by. Unfortunately, interest rates commonly rise during inflationary periods as well, so the bankers at the Fed will cover their private concerns with increased interest rates to compensate for the double whammy of increased money supply and diminishing value, where the interest rate does not keep pace with inflation.

Great way to throw a monkey wrench into a free market economy, by changing one factor arbitrarily.

BTW, dangerous and more complicated work doesn't just pay minimum wage. I work in the oil industry, I know. Industry employees won't do hose jobs for that, and that is how the free market works.

Wages go up until the requisite number of people will do the job for those wages. BTW in one of the boom towns, McDonalds was paying $15/hr, with a $500 sign on bonus after 6 months. They couldn't compete with oilfield wages, though and were always looking for people.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 02:57:58 am »
Yeah, but at least until inflation evens things out boosts to the minimum are a boon to low income workers. I'm not arguing that it's the solution to poverty or anything ridiculous like that.

You do realize it isn't the local burger flipper clamoring for this raise right?  This is a union driven idea that boosts the wages of their own members...hence the reason the Dems are pushing it now.

But lets say they pass it...do you know what the law of unintended consequences is?
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 02:58:45 am »
If the minimum wage did go up other wages would go up too, no?

No they wouldn't.
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Union Members, Not Minimum-Wage Earners, Benefit When the MinimumWage Rises

Union leaders may well believe that raising the minimum wage is a good policy for America, but they also know that it is a good policy for their members. Union members earning above $7.25 an hour benefit directly from raising the minimum wage because it reduces the competition they face from less skilled workers.

This is not just a theoretical argument. Researchers have found that this is what happens when the minimum wage rises. Using data from government surveys, economists at the Federal Reserve and the University of California-Irvine examined how past increases in the minimum wage affected the earnings of both low-income and unionized workers.[7]

They found that increasing the minimum wage had few statistically significant effects for unionized workers who earn well above the minimum wage. For example, United Auto Workers members in Detroit who earn $75 an hour do not usually perform work that could be done by any number of unskilled workers. But the minimum wage significantly increases the earnings of union members who compete with low-skilled workers for jobs. The researchers estimated that if the minimum wage were hiked 40 percent, unionized workers who earn between the minimum wage and twice the minimum wage could see their earnings rise between 20 and 40 percent.[8] The evidence shows that a higher minimum wage unambiguously helps union members.


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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 02:26:21 pm »
Why stop at $15?  Why not raise it to $100/hr?  Seriously, if raising it to $15 is good, then raising it to $100 has got to be better, right?
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 10:17:34 pm »
If the minimum wage did go up other wages would go up too, no? Milton Friedman made me question if there should be a minimum wage at all, but in this world where there is one I think employers have no choice but to pay more for all labor as the minimum rises. Nobody will seek to do more dangerous/complicated work if they're not getting paid extra for it.
What employers will do is what they have done all along, raise prices as much as the customers will take and CUT labor to the bone! The employees left will be doing the work of two and things like maintenance, repairs and cleaning will also be cut. The end result of raising the minimum wage will be higher unemployment and higher prices for everyone especially those that don't get a raise and can least afford it. You know who the one and only sure beneficiary of minimum wage increases is? The Federal government through higher tax collection, so of course the democrats are keen to increase the minimum wage.

The low wage worker will be happy.............until they see how much is taken in the first check, and all of those that worked hard to achieve that wage level will be pissed off when it is given to slackers for no investment of effort at all! Disney just pulled this shit with wages and the result was exactly what I new it would be, lot and lots of pissed of employees.

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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2019, 01:37:04 am »
When did Communism take over private businesses in this country?

I can't seem to find anywhere in the Constitution where legislators have the authority to dictate wages to privately owned businesses?
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2019, 01:38:58 am »
When did Communism take over private businesses in this country?

When FDR became President.
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Re: House Dems to introduce $15 minimum wage bill
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2019, 01:44:11 am »
The minimum wage is always $0.

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