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Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
By Jordan Fabian - 01/11/19 03:13 PM EST

President Trump on Friday said he might hold off on declaring a national emergency to circumvent Congress and begin building his long-promised border wall, at least for the time being.
 
Trump told reporters at the White House that he has the authority to make an emergency declaration to jump-start wall construction, but said, “I’m not going to do it so fast.”
 
The president reiterated that he prefers to work out a deal with Democrats in Congress, even though no agreement appears to be in sight after the partial government shutdown stretched into its 21st day.
 
“We want Congress to do its job,” Trump said. “What we're not looking to do right now is national emergency.”
 
The president's comments come even as some of his close GOP allies have urged him to make the declaration, saying that negotiations with congressional Democrats have become hopeless.
 

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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 03:41:21 PM »
I guess it isn't a crisis like he says it is. Obama declared a national emergency over the swine flu. It isn't as important as that in Trump's mind?  Maybe, like most politicians, he wants the issue, not the solution.

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 03:51:10 PM »
The master negotiator.  FFS   *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 04:06:26 PM »
The master negotiator.  FFS   *****rollingeyes*****

Don't you have some F-body parts to prep.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 04:25:18 PM »
The Office of Management and Budget is gearing up for the partial shutdown to continue through February, and aides have discussed using Trump's Jan. 29 State of the Union to admonish Democrats over their opposition to his $5.7 billion request for border wall funding.



He received an unequivocal ‘no’ from Pelosi about funding, specifically for a wall. That was the moment to declare a national emergency. If he uses the SOTU speech to admonish, but not declare the emergency, he can’t be taken seriously. He had a Republican led House for two years.

His legislative affairs director, Marc Short, quit because he knew they couldn’t get serious agenda issues though, even with the majority. They only passed this wall funding at the 11th hour, after many of them had quit or been defeated in the midterms. It’s just not credible to continue saying ‘cisis’ and ‘emergency,’ if he’s not going to take the action he keeps saying is within his authority.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 04:29:22 PM »
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 04:36:07 PM »
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

Please, the rats aren’t sitting around waiting for Trump to set precedence. They’ll do whatever suits them, they always have. Irregardless of what he does here or doesn’t do. IMO the border crisis is as good a reason to evoke this power as any.

I was willing to give trump a pass for being rolled during the last cycle as it was his first complete one. But given pelosis rather firm statement on the issue I’m less will to cut trump slack here. It’s crunchtime and if he doesn’t get it done he’s politically finished.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 04:40:10 PM »
Please, the rats aren’t sitting around waiting for Trump to set precedence. They’ll do whatever suits them, they always have. Irregardless of what he does here or doesn’t do. IMO the border crisis is as good a reason to evoke this power as any.

I was willing to give trump a pass for being rolled during the last cycle as it was his first complete one. But given pelosis rather firm statement on the issue I’m less will to cut trump slack here. It’s crunchtime and if he doesn’t get it done he’s politically finished.

I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 04:41:51 PM »
I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.

It is a beautiful Hill.  The best Hill.  If I was gonna die... I would want to die on a hill like this one.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 04:48:21 PM »
I've been hearing many times, "This is not the hill to die on."

Well, this one is.  And I think he knows it.

There’s no doubt this is THE issue.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 04:49:13 PM »
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 04:58:52 PM »
Don't you have some F-body parts to prep.

Ugh, that's a saga worth declaring a national emergency over also.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 05:03:08 PM »
If Trump was really serious about building the wall he would have keep the government shut down during one of the previous 2018 shutdowns...when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. It was lost on the artistic deal maker that putting pressure on the GOP during an election year would have got it done.

But its apparent that Trump and the GOP  are only interested in the blame game. By waiting for the Dims to take control of congress they can absolve themselves of their abject failure as leaders by blaming the Dims,  sadly the GOP "base" eats it up. The national emergency, in their minds, actually existed last year when the GOP was expected to do what they promised to do.... :shrug:

Maybe one of the few adults left in the administration has figured out how dangerous setting the precedent of declaring an national emergency for political reasons is, and the absolute certainty that the next Dim president will use it to complete the transformation of the Country to a socialist state....

Yep.. remember how many times he said 'never again' last year when signing spending bills. He promised he would never sign another bill that didn't include wall funding, then he did it twice again with no wall funding, making the same promise.

I think he wants the issue to keep people fired up.

This is the first time he seems to be putting his foot down... but at that, he still hasn't actually been given a bill to sign or veto so we don't know yet if this will be a repeat of the December 2017, March 2018, or September 2018 spending bills with no wall funding.


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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 05:34:46 PM »
Ugh, that's a saga worth declaring a national emergency over also.

Been there. Done that.  Throw another thousand at it. The repeat.

Not to go off topic in a "political" forum but....

This is why I buy fully restored cars anymore.  Let them take the loss!
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 05:48:10 PM »
Been there. Done that.  Throw another thousand at it. The repeat.

Not to go off topic in a "political" forum but....

This is why I buy fully restored cars anymore.  Let them take the loss!

That would be great advice if I were even at the point of starting the restore.  I'm still trying to get my damn garage finished.  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 05:57:01 PM »
That would be great advice if I were even at the point of starting the restore.  I'm still trying to get my damn garage finished.  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.


Well, not to sound cynical, well actually I do.... The best memories are bought.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 05:59:17 PM »

Well, not to sound cynical, well actually I do.... The best memories are bought.

LOL  Well, if nothing else he can learn some new curse words from mommy.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 06:00:48 PM »
I guess it isn't a crisis like he says it is. Obama declared a national emergency over the swine flu. It isn't as important as that in Trump's mind?  Maybe, like most politicians, he wants the issue, not the solution.

Like Trump said, he wants Congress to DO ITS JOB.   Work out a flippin' deal.   The Wall for Dreamers.  Or something similar.  Until then, the shutdown will continue.   
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 06:18:59 PM »
  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.

Yeah. Great memories will be had when he is questioned by the judge during the divorce proceedings on who he wants to live with.
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 06:23:33 PM »
Yeah. Great memories will be had when he is questioned by the judge during the divorce proceedings on who he wants to live with.

The one with the half completed restoration of an F-Car.
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 06:24:30 PM »
Yeah. Great memories will be had when he is questioned by the judge during the divorce proceedings on who he wants to live with.

I hope he picks daddy.  They're both really cramping my style.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 08:49:52 PM »
That would be great advice if I were even at the point of starting the restore.  I'm still trying to get my damn garage finished.  I'm hoping the actual restore will make great memories for my little guy.

Wish I had one of the vehicles of my youth, the memories of the backseat at the drive in still restore the little guy... :shrug:

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 08:57:31 PM »
Wish I had one of the vehicles of my youth, the memories of the backseat at the drive in still restore the little guy... :shrug:

LOL! Like I could fold up into a back seat nowadays... It might as well be Mount friggin Everest...
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 09:53:53 PM »
Yep.. remember how many times he said 'never again' last year when signing spending bills. He promised he would never sign another bill that didn't include wall funding, then he did it twice again with no wall funding, making the same promise.

I think he wants the issue to keep people fired up.

This is the first time he seems to be putting his foot down... but at that, he still hasn't actually been given a bill to sign or veto so we don't know yet if this will be a repeat of the December 2017, March 2018, or September 2018 spending bills with no wall funding.

Trump.  I hope this is not a lot of hot air and no action.
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Re: Trump on declaring national emergency: 'Not going to do it so fast'
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 10:12:44 PM »

.. he still hasn't actually been given a bill to sign or veto so we don't know yet if this will be a repeat of the December 2017, March 2018, or September 2018 spending bills with no wall funding.


They won't vote its all show, just wish these guys were better actors.. :shrug:


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