Author Topic: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.  (Read 3473 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Jazzhead

  • Radicalized
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9,454
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2019, 01:16:28 PM »
2nd generation here on my Mom's side, 3rd generation here on my Dad's side - 50% Slovak/50% Croation.  My grandparents and greatgrandparents came her LEGALLY!  They assimilated!!!  They never ever claimed to be a hyphenated American!!  Those that come here now EXPECT the U.S.A. to support them and to assimilate and bow to their culture and they impose their way of life on others.  No Thank You!!

We need a moratorium on ALL migration into this country period until we have border security, a wall, and we have a handle on our immigration system!!

I understand and agree with your concern about illegal immigration.  But you want to deny to others the same opportunities your ancestors seized.   Legal immigration - indeed, I'd be in favor of robust legal immigration -  is good for the economy and entirely consistent with who we are as a culture and a people.   
"He was born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way"

   - Duke Ellington, upon hearing of the death of Louis Armstrong

"Not forever.  Just for now"

    - Jay Farrar

Offline skeeter

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 12,538
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2019, 01:16:32 PM »
Immigrants have been coming here for two centuries.   They come here with the ambition to work hard, and history shows that, starting with the next generation, they assimilated.   

Were your ancestors immigrants?   Mine were, and so were Mrs. Jazz's.   In her case, her parents came from Mexico - you know, BROWN people.  My father in law was a gardener for rich folks.    They had eight kids.   All went to college, including two who graduated from Stanford and one from Yale.  They are all assimilated, English-speaking, successful, productive Americans.   THAT's the American dream - and it's no different whether you come from Mexico or Norway. 

What has changed that you are now so willing to deny to others the opportunity that allowed you to be born American?

My wife is a legal immigrant, so you can stick your sly implication.

This country exists for the benefit of it citizens first and foremost, not those of other nations.

When it benefits AMERICANS to provide immigration opportunities to others we should do so. Currently 15% of the population is foreign born. I don't see an advantage in continuing the reckless immigration policy we have currently - its obvious we've reached the point of diminishing return.

If you cannot see we are being driven towards socialism with immigration being one big reason why then thats your problem. Treating the nation as the world's grab bag is nuts and will lead to all of us - US citizens as well as those who might immigrate - losing the freedoms you claim to cherish.

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,394
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2019, 01:17:20 PM »


What has changed that you are now so willing to deny to others the opportunity that allowed you to be born American?

@Jazzhead

Now you are claiming Americans were born because illegal aliens ALLOWED them to be born?

What has changed in the MINDSET OF THE IMMIGRANTS. Earlier immigrants came here to be Americans,live free,and profit from their hard work. Today's illegal aliens come here to get all the free stuff,and want to make America a part of Mexico.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This post has been approved by Mod 3 or you wouldn't be seeing it.

Online Jazzhead

  • Radicalized
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9,454
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2019, 01:33:55 PM »

What has changed in the MINDSET OF THE IMMIGRANTS. Earlier immigrants came here to be Americans,live free,and profit from their hard work.

I haven't been talking about illegal immigrants.   I've been addressing those who want to shut off legal immigration as well.   Legal immigrants today are no different than the earlier immigrants you describe.  They come here to be Americans and be successful.   They are a positive boon to the nation and its economy. 

 
Quote
Today's illegal aliens come here to get all the free stuff, and want to make America a part of Mexico.

No one should come here illegally.   But your statement smacks of ethnic stereotyping and I cannot let it pass without pointing that out.   
 
"He was born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way"

   - Duke Ellington, upon hearing of the death of Louis Armstrong

"Not forever.  Just for now"

    - Jay Farrar

Online aligncare

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 22,278
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2019, 01:57:51 PM »
I’m worried about becoming an America where patriotism – no, I think I mean, love for America, as founded – is no longer practiced and appreciated the way it was when my family came to America in 1956. I can’t help but think that unrestrained legal, and especially illegal, immigration may be pushing us towards that possible future.

Online GrouchoTex

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,232
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2019, 02:00:18 PM »
I’m worried about becoming an America where patriotism – no, I think I mean, love for America, as founded – is no longer practiced and appreciated the way it was when my family came to America in 1956. I can’t help but think that unrestrained legal, and especially illegal, immigration may be pushing us towards that possible future.

It seems to be the case, but not just with legal immigrants or illegal immigrants, but with those born here as well.

Online aligncare

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 22,278
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2019, 02:03:17 PM »
It seems to be the case, but not just with legal immigrants or illegal immigrants, but with those born here as well.

Sadly, true...

Offline skeeter

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 12,538
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2019, 02:03:53 PM »
It seems to be the case, but not just with legal immigrants or illegal immigrants, but with those born here as well.

True, but as the case with crime, just because part of the problem is home grown doesn't mean we should accept the other part that is not.

Offline libertybele

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 18,447
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2019, 02:06:04 PM »
@Jazzhead

Now you are claiming Americans were born because illegal aliens ALLOWED them to be born?

What has changed in the MINDSET OF THE IMMIGRANTS. Earlier immigrants came here to be Americans,live free,and profit from their hard work. Today's illegal aliens come here to get all the free stuff,and want to make America a part of Mexico.

Sometimes, it's easier to 'ignore' than to try to explain logic.
"I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey it laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies." -William Page

Online GrouchoTex

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,232
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2019, 02:08:04 PM »
True, but as the case with crime, just because part of the problem is home grown doesn't mean we should accept the other part that is not.

Absolutely agree with you.
No need to import criminals and malcontents when we have plenty of them here.

Online Jazzhead

  • Radicalized
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9,454
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2019, 02:36:36 PM »
Sometimes, it's easier to 'ignore' than to try to explain logic.

No, it's easier to simply employ a bit of reading comprehension.   I've been advocating more LEGAL immigration as a way to keep the nation strong (especially in the face of declining birthrates).   I am not disagreeing whatsoever with those who seek solutions to the problem of illegal immigration.   
"He was born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way"

   - Duke Ellington, upon hearing of the death of Louis Armstrong

"Not forever.  Just for now"

    - Jay Farrar

Online Jazzhead

  • Radicalized
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9,454
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2019, 02:38:56 PM »
Absolutely agree with you.
No need to import criminals and malcontents when we have plenty of them here.

And again - the subject is LEGAL immigration.   These aren't criminals and malcontents.  A lot of 'em work harder than the native-born and are very appreciative of the opportunity to be here.   And they don't necessarily become Democrats - unless Republicans drive them away with insinuations that immigration be limited to white folks from Norway.   
"He was born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way"

   - Duke Ellington, upon hearing of the death of Louis Armstrong

"Not forever.  Just for now"

    - Jay Farrar

Offline Hoodat

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,645
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2019, 02:43:29 PM »
The government is closed?  Sorry, I didn't notice.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

-Dwight Eisenhower-

Online Jazzhead

  • Radicalized
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 9,454
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2019, 03:02:03 PM »
The government is closed?  Sorry, I didn't notice.

My brother-in-law has.  He is one of thousands out on unpaid furlough.   At this point, though, he's just kickin' back and relaxing.   
"He was born poor, died rich, and never hurt anyone along the way"

   - Duke Ellington, upon hearing of the death of Louis Armstrong

"Not forever.  Just for now"

    - Jay Farrar

Offline skeeter

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 12,538
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2019, 03:04:44 PM »
And again - the subject is LEGAL immigration.   These aren't criminals and malcontents.  A lot of 'em work harder than the native-born and are very appreciative of the opportunity to be here.   And they don't necessarily become Democrats - unless Republicans drive them away with insinuations that immigration be limited to white folks from Norway.

A lot of them do and a lot of them don’t. Is it too much to ask that we limit legal immigration to those that do? Or would that be racist?

Offline Restored

  • TBR Advisory Committee
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,179
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2019, 03:40:11 PM »
My daughter is furloughed. Maybe it will convince her that it is time to leave NoVa.
Hahahahaha....No seriously. Who is the President?

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,394
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2019, 06:38:47 PM »

Quote
No one should come here illegally
.   

What about your beloved alleged "Dreamers"?

Quote
But your statement smacks of ethnic stereotyping and I cannot let it pass without pointing that out.

Your statement smacks of knee-jerk political correctness. You can't claim I am wrong,so you complain about me being right by trying to demean the descriptor.

Or are you going to try to deny the whole La Raza political movement?
« Last Edit: January 11, 2019, 06:43:20 PM by sneakypete »
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This post has been approved by Mod 3 or you wouldn't be seeing it.

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,394
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2019, 06:41:58 PM »
My daughter is furloughed. Maybe it will convince her that it is time to leave NoVa.

@Restored

If she doesn't leave within the next few years she is likely to need an internal passport in order to be ALLOWED to leave in the near future.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This post has been approved by Mod 3 or you wouldn't be seeing it.

Online edpc

  • TBR Contributor
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,974
  • Professional Misanthrope - Briefer and Boxer
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2019, 08:44:07 PM »
Baloney. Importing labor is about profit maximization.

We are dissolving our nation for the sake of the state bureaucracy & the investor class.



Well, well, well.....look who is trying to dissolve the nation by importing labor to maximize profit for the investor class.



Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.

6:40 AM · Jan 11, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

Online Fishrrman

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 18,686
    • Fishrrman Speaks!
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2019, 08:48:14 PM »
aligncare wrote:
"I know of no one who is against ‘immigrants’ coming to America"

Well, you "know of" one now.
I am that person.
I want to see an END to ALL immigration -- legal as well as illegal -- for at least 50-75 years (with a very few exceptions).

Since 1965, we have been importing the seeds of our nation's destruction at an unbelievably rapid rate.

As far as I'm concerned, this should be stopped cold.
To.... zero.

We're "full up".
We don' need no mo'.

Offline Once-Ler

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 12,560
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2019, 07:29:07 AM »
@Once-Ler

Yeah,but you also think Mad Maxine Waters is a genius.

Then again,compared to you she might be one.

blather on russiabot

ps.  This is the first post of yours I have suffered in over a year.  It was everything I expected.  Good job little buddy.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 07:33:42 AM by Once-Ler »
“If we had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” - Robert Mueller

Online GrouchoTex

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,232
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2019, 07:48:23 AM »
And again - the subject is LEGAL immigration.   These aren't criminals and malcontents.  A lot of 'em work harder than the native-born and are very appreciative of the opportunity to be here.   And they don't necessarily become Democrats - unless Republicans drive them away with insinuations that immigration be limited to white folks from Norway.

No, in fact, the subject is not LEGAL immigration, no matter how often you try to steer the subject to that, and call us all racist in the process.

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,394
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2019, 09:41:38 AM »
aligncare wrote:
"I know of no one who is against ‘immigrants’ coming to America"

Well, you "know of" one now.
I am that person.
I want to see an END to ALL immigration -- legal as well as illegal -- for at least 50-75 years (with a very few exceptions).

Since 1965, we have been importing the seeds of our nation's destruction at an unbelievably rapid rate.

As far as I'm concerned, this should be stopped cold.
To.... zero.

We're "full up".
We don' need no mo'.

@Fishrrman

I ALMOST agree with you,but would make exceptions for geniuses that create new technologies,medical treatments,or just new ways of looking at old problems. People who would want to be coming here whose only interest in anything "free" would be in intellectual freedom and the ability to both profit from and move your ideas forward.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This post has been approved by Mod 3 or you wouldn't be seeing it.

Offline sneakypete

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 14,394
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2019, 09:42:39 AM »
blather on russiabot

ps.  This is the first post of yours I have suffered in over a year.  It was everything I expected.  Good job little buddy.

@Once-Ler

Thank you. If a fool like you hates it,I know I am doing ok.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This post has been approved by Mod 3 or you wouldn't be seeing it.

Offline MOD8

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 264
Re: Sen. Lindsey Graham is throwing a Hail Mary to reopen the government.
« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2019, 10:06:13 AM »
 :hijack: :dontfeed:


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf