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« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2019, 10:24:02 AM »
I wasn't aware of this. I know Obama did for dreamers.... I'm told.  Good post.

Yes, I too was unaware of these facts. But, it goes to show how dishonest and disingenuous the Trump critics (otherwise known as losers) are.

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« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2019, 10:24:50 AM »
All of the whining about Dreamers isn't going to overcome stats like the above.  Their number delays what could be coming unless Americans start getting their replacement rate back up.

Bottom line - we need more legal immigration.   With a birthrate below replacement level,  a nation can best sustain economic growth through immigration.   
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« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2019, 10:29:05 AM »
Bottom line - we need more legal immigration.   With a birthrate below replacement level,  a nation can best sustain economic growth through immigration.

Thats the worst advise you've ever given here.

Reminds me of the guy on TV last night saying we need universal healthcare for illegals because treating them in ER's is not an efficient use of healthcare resources.

Instead of continuing to build our system around the sick pathologies resulting from previous bad laws how about focusing on making it possible for American citizens to have their own families without impoverishing themselves again?

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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2019, 10:37:04 AM »
Actually, that low replacement rate, is certainly a part of how England/UK and Germany plan their future. Honestly, some countries, an article was posted recently, on Japan having a low replacement rate, aging population.  These are real concerns out there. I don't think we are at that point right now. All I was saying, is when people talk about Dreamers coming in, that is just the immediate picture. It doesn't mean I am for Dreamers, I'm just saying, that is just the short term scenario that basically gets washed out when one is talking about 10 or 20 years into the future. I don't know about California specifically, I have posted already, there are states that have become "minority-majority" and if one is talking about how they will vote, the votes are already there. Not that they will necessarily become blue because of dreamers.

To say, it is a factor of the Dreamers that will turn states blue may not be sound. States tend to have that already in homegrown votes.


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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2019, 10:39:37 AM »
I wasn't aware of this. I know Obama did for dreamers.... I'm told.  Good post.



You’re probably not aware that some of the ‘emergency’ measures are anything but, like investment in Burma, Sierra Leone diamonds, and various other measures taken against individuals in foreign conflicts.

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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2019, 10:54:05 AM »
Thats the worst advise you've ever given here.


I am speaking of legal immigration, not the illegal kind.

You can't veto the laws of economics.  If the native-born aren't replacing themselves,  eventually economic growth will be impossible.  The government can't force folks to reproduce, but it can control the entry of new immigrants with the skills and ambition to thrive here.   I can't speak for you, @skeeter, but most of us are the children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants.   My grandparents all came here in the twenties from Sweden.   Mrs. Jazz's parents both came here from Mexico.   Immigration has sustained this nation over the years.   

People simply don't want large families the way they used to.   There's no getting around that.   And with women in the workforce,  many have alternatives to staying at home and raising kids.   You may not like it, but that's how it is when women have the same rights and opportunities as men.   

What's the solution?   Legal immigration.   
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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2019, 10:54:47 AM »
Bottom line - we need more legal immigration.   With a birthrate below replacement level,  a nation can best sustain economic growth through immigration.

I know of no one who is against ‘immigrants’ coming to America. What most folks are opposed to is illegal aliens, those mostly poor unkeducated people unfamiliar with our history and our traditions, flooding the country and undercutting citizens’ wages and forcing a rapid change to our American customs, traditions, laws and most importantly, our politics.

By the very nature of sneaking into the country, illegal aliens have not had to demonstrate to a U.S. immigration office a desire to assimilate into American society (no pledge of allegiance). If this condition persists over decades unchecked, we will lose America as founded.

Regarding their children however, I think DACA will eventually become law as part of a deal to secure the border with a wall and additional resources.
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2019, 10:58:55 AM »
For clarification, I think I should have said is that in the EU, it seems their economies are growing at such a rate that even positive birthrates may not be keeping up with the economic growth.

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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2019, 10:59:58 AM »
It's totally ridiculous and suicidal for the nation to not purposefully balance out the racial component of the 'New' American citizen.

Don't tell me Barack Obama didn't open up the door for Middle Eastern and African Muslims.

Don't see why we can't give special preference to European Anglo-Saxons or Russians for a decade or three. :laugh:
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« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2019, 11:03:34 AM »
It's totally ridiculous and suicidal for the nation to not purposefully balance out the racial component of the 'New' American citizen.

Don't tell me Barack Obama didn't open up the door for Middle Eastern and African Muslims.

Don't see why we can't give special preference to European Anglo-Saxons or Russians for a decade or three. :laugh:

See, that's the thing. Back in the 1960s, the immigration was fixed to aid Europeans come in. Times changed, those laws came to benefit other groups because the Norweigans, etc. didn't really have a compulsion to come to America.

This was a major discussion point about 8 months ago. Perhaps, I can find this data later.

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« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2019, 11:05:36 AM »
Those Somalis started coming in with that war back in the '90s, mainly during the Clinton administration or so, I'd believe that to be the case. Hmong who are from SE Asia have been coming in for decades.

For a country like France and maybe Belgium, a lot of their former colonies are Christian as well. Perhaps, if they worry about the growth rate of the Muslim population, they should bring in more Christians.

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« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2019, 11:06:41 AM »
I know of no one who is against ‘immigrants’ coming to America.


Really? I seem to remember a prominent candidate getting savaged over his position on H-1B visas not long ago.
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« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2019, 11:07:54 AM »
I am speaking of legal immigration, not the illegal kind.

You can't veto the laws of economics.  If the native-born aren't replacing themselves,  eventually economic growth will be impossible.  The government can't force folks to reproduce, but it can control the entry of new immigrants with the skills and ambition to thrive here.   I can't speak for you, @skeeter, but most of us are the children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants.   My grandparents all came here in the twenties from Sweden.   Mrs. Jazz's parents both came here from Mexico.   Immigration has sustained this nation over the years.   

People simply don't want large families the way they used to.   There's no getting around that.   And with women in the workforce,  many have alternatives to staying at home and raising kids.   You may not like it, but that's how it is when women have the same rights and opportunities as men.   

What's the solution?   Legal immigration.

No. The solution is for local and federal governments stop policies that DISCOURAGE Americans from having families.

This isn't the turn of the century and we're not in the middle of an industrial revolution. We do not need to import labor of any kind when millions of US citizens have made a lifestyle out of collecting public assistance (as 60% of foreign born currently do, BTW).

If we continue on the path we're on which you seem to encourage, replacing the population with people foreign to our values and heritage, we will very soon be totally converted into the socialist society you claim to abhor.

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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2019, 11:10:44 AM »
See, that's the thing. Back in the 1960s, the immigration was fixed to aid Europeans come in. Times changed, those laws came to benefit other groups because the Norweigans, etc. didn't really have a compulsion to come to America.

This was a major discussion point about 8 months ago. Perhaps, I can find this data later.

I'll bet there are tens of thousands of Nordic, French, German and Italians who would jump at the opportunity, given what the EU has done to Nationalism over the past ten years.
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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2019, 12:28:52 PM »
Bottom line - we need more legal immigration.   With a birthrate below replacement level,  a nation can best sustain economic growth through immigration.

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HORSEHILLARY! We need FEWER immigrants because there are even fewer jobs available for the people already here,and we are losing more jobs daily thanks to sending all our manufacturing to India and China.
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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2019, 12:34:01 PM »
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HORSEHILLARY! We need FEWER immigrants because there are even fewer jobs available for the people already here,and we are losing more jobs daily thanks to sending all our manufacturing to India and China.


Funny, I thought Trump was fixing that. He seems to think so.

https://m.newstimes.com/news/article/Trump-s-claim-that-job-growth-is-due-to-companies-13522938.php
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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2019, 12:35:02 PM »
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I am speaking of legal immigration, not the illegal kind.

You can't veto the laws of economics.  If the native-born aren't replacing themselves,  eventually economic growth will be impossible.


The BASE of economic growth is JOBS. Mostly jobs related to manufacturing. What happens when a nation has a high percentage of the working population unemployed and starving in the streets because there are no jobs available and no budget to provide welfare services?

The answer is "Revolution". Revolution is what your heroes of the left are working for because they see it as the only way possible for them to establish control to dissolve the United States and make us a part of "WorldWide Government Incorporated". With THEM sitting on all the boards,of course.

I see Canada,the US,and Mexico being combined and renamed something sexy like "The North American Economic Zone",and us,as well as the rest of the world,will be ruled by a corporate board sitting in Zurich or somewhere similar.


 
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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2019, 12:41:00 PM »
@Jazzhead

HORSEHILLARY! We need FEWER immigrants because there are even fewer jobs available for the people already here,and we are losing more jobs daily thanks to sending all our manufacturing to India and China.

In recent months stats show that employers are posting more jobs than there is a pool of willing citizens to fill them.    There are jobs available, right now, for those willing to work.   A problem, though, is the persistent decline in labor force participation.   Lots of legal Americans are, let's face it, too lazy to work - especially when to do so may require them to relocate where the jobs are or jeopardize their "disability" and other benefits - or too addicted to drugs.     This is a culture of un-ambition and dependency that in recent years has infected white Americans. 

Minorities are working as never before.   And certain minorities - e.g., from India and China - have cultures of hard work and educational achievement that surpass most white folks.    Immigrants generally have more ambition and drive than the native born,  which makes sense given the sacrifice they've made to pull up stakes and come here.    While I am not defending illegal immigration,  the fact is that employers - above and beyond the fact that they cost less - like these workers for perfectly rational reasons - they show up on time and work hard all day long.    They have to - as Dylan sang, to live outside the law you must be honest.    The native-born, too often, are more concerned with slumming.     
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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2019, 12:52:00 PM »
Gregg Jarrett said yesterday, as he was guest hosting Sean Hannity’s show, that nearly every president, including Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, had declared a national emergency roughly a dozen times each, and no one whispered a word of criticism.

Trump talks about declaring a national emergency and the left, including NeverTrumpers, lose their minds.

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Just reading some of the posts here illustrates your point.
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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2019, 12:52:05 PM »
In recent months stats show that employers are posting more jobs than there is a pool of willing citizens to fill them.    There are jobs available, right now, for those willing to work.   A problem, though, is the persistent decline in labor force participation.   Lots of legal Americans are, let's face it, too lazy to work - especially when to do so may require them to relocate where the jobs are or jeopardize their "disability" and other benefits - or too addicted to drugs.     This is a culture of un-ambition and dependency that in recent years has infected white Americans. 

Minorities are working as never before.   And certain minorities - e.g., from India and China - have cultures of hard work and educational achievement that surpass most white folks.    Immigrants generally have more ambition and drive than the native born,  which makes sense given the sacrifice they've made to pull up stakes and come here.    While I am not defending illegal immigration,  the fact is that employers - above and beyond the fact that they cost less - like these workers for perfectly rational reasons - they show up on time and work hard all day long.    They have to - as Dylan sang, to live outside the law you must be honest.    The native-born, too often, are more concerned with slumming.   

Baloney. Importing labor is about profit maximization.

We are dissolving our nation for the sake of the state bureaucracy & the investor class.
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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2019, 12:52:42 PM »
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In recent months stats show that employers are posting more jobs than there is a pool of willing citizens to fill them.   


@jazzhand

Maybe not,but liars figure,and what else did you expect the very people responsible for killing our economy to report? THEY have highly-paid jobs were VERY nice benefits,and they don't want to lose them by reporting the truth.

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There are jobs available, right now, for those willing to work.   A problem, though, is the persistent decline in labor force participation.   Lots of legal Americans are, let's face it, too lazy to work - especially when to do so may jeopardize their "disability" and other benefits - or too addicted to drugs.     This is a culture of dependency that in recent years has infected white Americans. 

The problem here is these benefits pay more than most of the menial jobs these people would get,even IF they were willing to work. WHY would they work for poverty wages when they can draw "my check" and sit around in their air-conditioned and heated part-mints all day and watch teebee while smoking weed and drinking beer?

Welfare should pay a LOT less and provide a LOT fewer creature comforts. Dormitories instead of individual family apartments. Dormitories with armed police on patrol and in control of the door  to protect the helpless and provide security by keeping out the drug dealers,etc,etc,etc by starting with things like not letting anyone enter that is obviously drunk or  high on drugs,even if they live there. Dormitories operated like basic training housing,where everyone is up at the crack of dawn and exercising or otherwise working,and then reporting to the mess hall for breakfast,lunch,and dinner. No refrigerators in the rooms and no cooking allowed.

This will motivate SOME of them to actually go out and look for and work jobs so they are once again in control of their lives. The professional parasites will still suck on Uncle Sugar's tit,but the cost will be greatly reduced and they will also be a lot safer.

Anyone that doesn't like it will be free to starve to death in the streets as the churches and other charities refuse to spend a dime of their own money to care for the poor.

 
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« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2019, 12:57:38 PM »
Bottom line - we need more legal immigration.   With a birthrate below replacement level,  a nation can best sustain economic growth through immigration.

Actaully, we need to enact a moratorium on ALL migration to this country in addition to building the wall.

This country cannot sustain the economic burden that illegals have imposed on this country.  President Trump has miraculously lowered the unemployment rate and people are back to work.  My hunch is we'll start seeing more families expanding.  Why would anyone want to have kids while on welfare and food stamps??

DEPORT the Illegals.  End chain migration and birthright citizenship.

You want  a larger U.S. population --- give more perks to U.S. citizens so that they can afford to expand their families.  That's a no-brainer!
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« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2019, 01:00:20 PM »
Baloney. Importing labor is about profit maximization.

We are dissolving our nation for the sake of the state bureaucracy & the investor class.

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The other point that is being missed is with controlled immigration we have time to assimilate the new immigrant groups. As a result of uncontrolled open borders and an education cartel that does not seek to help in the assimilation of new people to the country we are more divided by race than ever before. I don't know of any multi-racial nation that prospered for long. I believe they usually break apart.
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« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2019, 01:01:43 PM »
Baloney. Importing labor is about profit maximization.

We are dissolving our nation for the sake of the state bureaucracy & the investor class.

Immigrants have been coming here for two centuries.   They come here with the ambition to work hard, and history shows that, starting with the next generation, they assimilated.   

Were your ancestors immigrants?   Mine were, and so were Mrs. Jazz's.   In her case, her parents came from Mexico - you know, BROWN people.  My father in law was a gardener for rich folks.    They had eight kids.   All went to college, including two who graduated from Stanford and one from Yale.  They are all assimilated, English-speaking, successful, productive Americans.   THAT's the American dream - and it's no different whether you come from Mexico or Norway. 

What has changed that you are now so willing to deny to others the opportunity that allowed you to be born American?   
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« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2019, 01:10:26 PM »
Immigrants have been coming here for two centuries.   They come here with the ambition to work hard, and history shows that, starting with the next generation, they assimilated.   

Were your ancestors immigrants?   Mine were, and so were Mrs. Jazz's.   In her case, her parents came from Mexico - you know, BROWN people.  My father in law was a gardener for rich folks.    They had eight kids.   All went to college, including two who graduated from Stanford and one from Yale.  They are all assimilated, English-speaking, successful, productive Americans.   THAT's the American dream - and it's no different whether you come from Mexico or Norway. 

What has changed that you are now so willing to deny to others the opportunity that allowed you to be born American?

2nd generation here on my Mom's side, 3rd generation here on my Dad's side - 50% Slovak/50% Croation.  My grandparents and greatgrandparents came her LEGALLY!  They assimilated!!!  They never ever claimed to be a hyphenated American!!  Those that come here now EXPECT the U.S.A. to support them and to assimilate and bow to their culture and they impose their way of life on others.  No Thank You!!

We need a moratorium on ALL migration into this country period until we have border security, a wall, and we have a handle on our immigration system!!

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