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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2019, 03:14:01 am »
Mexico NEVER ruled over se USA except for maybe a small part of South Cali. Spain on the other hand ......

It really doesn't matter either way. His argument is ridiculous. He's suggesting that we don't have a right to our land. This guy is globalist trash.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2019, 03:17:52 am »
Texas was held by Mexico, wasn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War

More directly to the point, major onflicts took place in variious regions of the US, and native Ameicans. The biggest was against the Plains Indians, ending in the 1890s.

Texas, Oklahoma and part of NM were claimed by Mexico, but there was, at most, ~3,000 Mexican citizens in the whole area.  To claim that they "held" it is a big exaggeration.

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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2019, 03:59:19 pm »
I have always liked Kipling. He got it, and should be required reading.
 
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One of the reasons masculinity is being forcibly devalued is that removal of the old playground system of 'sorting things out' bare knuckles has left so many with no way to establish themselves in that instinctive peer group dominance pecking order those conflicts sorted out. Small wonder they now reach for a Glock when they get 'dissed' after years of being denied a less lethal, but effective alternative to 'conflict resolution'. They hunt in packs, like dogs, because they have been denied the opportunity to excel alone.

School shootings were pretty rare in the days of the playground fistfight--the issues were settled in a less than lethal manner, without the 'nuclear option' even considered. Somehow the liberals think that depriving young men and growing boys the means of sorting out dominance in their peer groups will 'civilize' them but that is having the opposite effect.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2019, 04:07:55 pm »
Texas, Oklahoma and part of NM were claimed by Mexico, but there was, at most, ~3,000 Mexican citizens in the whole area.  To claim that they "held" it is a big exaggeration.

A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase).  If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue.  :pondering:
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2019, 05:19:41 pm »
A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase).  If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue.  :pondering:

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That would be a good plan if Mexico had any money.

I wonder how much they would charge us to take it back?
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2019, 11:05:01 pm »
verga wrote:
"Frankly the ones I worry about the least are the "good ole redneck boys" None of them are afraid of hard work and getting their hands dirty. They understand the value of things because they had to work to earn them. They also have no trouble at all kicking some @$$ when that is required."


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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2019, 11:09:16 pm »
Cyber wrote in #53 above:
"A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase).  If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue."

While we're at it, why not give most of the blue areas of Texas back to Mexico, as well?

They could easily be "chopped off at the bottom", and rid the "red Texans" of a lot of problems!


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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2019, 02:00:09 am »
Cyber wrote in #53 above:
"A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase).  If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue."

While we're at it, why not give most of the blue areas of Texas back to Mexico, as well?

They could easily be "chopped off at the bottom", and rid the "red Texans" of a lot of problems!



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The exact opposite of what we need to do because all that would do would be to encourage more illegals to invade and take over the NEW Mexico/Texas border areas.

What we NEED to do,but probably won't,is to kick out ANYBODY that is here or came here illegally. Those that resist should be shot where found as alien invaders.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2019, 04:25:48 pm »
Sometimes I think the only reason this Hogg character stays in the limelight is because conservative websites keep him in it

He’s become irrelevant to the left. I think conservatives need to start treating him  the same. His 15 minutes have long expired
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2019, 05:19:51 pm »
Sometimes I think the only reason this Hogg character stays in the limelight is because conservative websites keep him in it

He’s become irrelevant to the left. I think conservatives need to start treating him  the same. His 15 minutes have long expired
Maybe AOC will follow his example.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2019, 05:37:20 pm »
Maybe AOC will follow his example.
She now has a much large megaphone to bray her nonsense to her adoring idiot constituency and fellow travelers.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2019, 06:05:17 pm »
What are sorely absent, are effective-persuasive conservative voices.

Sowell, Friedman, Reagan, Gingrich etc.

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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2019, 06:11:09 pm »
What are sorely absent, are effective-persuasive conservative voices.

Sowell, Friedman, Reagan, Gingrich etc.

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Even if some of them were still alive,the media would never give them any air time. Just look at how they shut down Newt and chased him out of Congress over BullBush charges for proof of this. He couldn't BUY time on tv or page space in a newspaper for years.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2019, 06:27:28 pm »
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Even if some of them were still alive,the media would never give them any air time. Just look at how they shut down Newt and chased him out of Congress over BullBush charges for proof of this. He couldn't BUY time on tv or page space in a newspaper for years.

My point is the lack of comparable figures today. Last night I listened to Sowell and Friedman. If I posted the videos here, there would likely be little attention or discussion. It would not break through the hourly outrage by #nevertrumps, mirroring every story from the media.

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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #64 on: January 16, 2019, 06:35:14 pm »
My point is the lack of comparable figures today. Last night I listened to Sowell and Friedman. If I posted the videos here, there would likely be little attention or discussion. It would not break through the hourly outrage by #nevertrumps, mirroring every story from the media.

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So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell?  That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.

Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word.  Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"
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« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2019, 06:49:44 pm »
My point is the lack of comparable figures today. Last night I listened to Sowell and Friedman. If I posted the videos here, there would likely be little attention or discussion. It would not break through the hourly outrage by #nevertrumps, mirroring every story from the media.

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By all means post any videos by them
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2019, 06:50:38 pm »
So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell?  That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.

Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word.  Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"

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« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2019, 07:23:10 pm »
So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell?  That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.

Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word.  Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"

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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2019, 08:11:03 pm »
What are sorely absent, are effective-persuasive conservative voices.

Sowell, Friedman, Reagan, Gingrich etc.

Please don't include Noot with those Conservatives.  Since you are into videos, check out what Noot has to say about being a progressive:


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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2019, 08:12:15 pm »
Also, Sowell despised the Kelo decision.  Yet Trump sycophants defend it.  Go figure.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2019, 09:15:08 pm »
Also, Sowell despised the Kelo decision.  Yet Trump sycophants defend it.  Go figure.

Do all Trump supporters, also favor Kelo? I do not.


Do all Reagan supporters favor 1986 Amnesty? I do not.

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« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2019, 09:44:14 pm »
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Even if some of them were still alive,the media would never give them any air time. Just look at how they shut down Newt and chased him out of Congress over BullBush charges for proof of this. He couldn't BUY time on tv or page space in a newspaper for years.

Even if some of them were still alive they'd be trashed by certain sectors of the Republican party.  Especially if they didn't get "on board" so to speak.
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« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2019, 09:49:17 pm »
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What does that mean?  I've seen it before.  I don't text on cell phone.

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« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2019, 09:58:53 pm »
What does that mean?  I've seen it before.  I don't text on cell phone.
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Re: David Hogg responds to Trump address: 'No one is illegal on stolen land'
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2019, 09:58:57 pm »
What does that mean?  I've seen it before.  I don't text on cell phone.

How old are you?   60...70?  Do you still own a 3G flip Phone?
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