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I think we agree.  Homosexuality, when confined to legal activities and not advocating for rights above and beyond the rights of others, is not necessarily antithetical to conservatism.

No... Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Sexual immorality is destroying this country, and homosexuality is a part of that. It ain't alright. I don't see how one can be conservative and support any sort of immorality, or any erosion of the cultural norms that have made us great - Just for the sake of the culture, not to mention the fiscal cost and loss of liberty that inevitably results.

That being said, if California and New York want to play with that plague, that ain't no part of me.
If they want to embrace sodomy and all other forms of immorality, that is their business... And if you support something in between, more power to you. That doesn't mean I have to - And that is where my argument rests - in the states - If the good folks of Mississippi want Sunday laws (as an instance), or don't want gay marriage, they should be able to have that, and it's no skin off your nose.

That's the problem here - Everything is being forced to the lowest common denominator, and not only is that doomed to fail, but it isn't what it was made for.

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Time for a review.

Civilization vs Culturalism
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@Sanguine
In the broader scheme, there is not a single issue or obstacle to this country that is not a moral one. The dreadful cost in welfare due to drugs, divorce, and sexual immorality will not be ameliorated without abandoning the sexual 'feel good' revolution. The homosexual agenda is part and parcel with all of that. If you care to defend fiscal conservatism, I would like to see how you get there without addressing the above with respect to welfare and health - To include the hugely expensive support of the gay lifestyle, both in money and in broken people.

Secondly, as a matter of federalism and the freedom to associate, the very means of people being able to band together and create an environment suitable for raising their children requires the ability to discriminate on moral grounds. The federal nature of this thing, cramming it down peoples' throats is against federalism, and states rights, not to mention county and community.

If y'all want loose morals, that's fine with me - but don't force me and mine to live that way. I like being able to leave my doors unlocked, and kids being able to know right from wrong, not to mention knowing which bathroom to use...

Soon enough the destruction of culture will doom us all.
Well put. 

Those who attempt to define conservatism by omitting the social part of the equation are not conservatives at all.
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@roamer_1, let me first express my great trepidation in stepping into this argument.  I'm not here solely to argue.

But, what does one's personal sex life (we're not talking illegal or abusive acts, which is a problem of people, not of "identities") have to do with conservatism? 

Also, keep in mind that I have always been against redefining marriage as something other than a woman/man union for the purpose of establishing a nuclear family. 

So, what's the problem?
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.
As long as they are not actively trying to convert me to their lifestyle, Forcing me to pay for it, or compromise my beliefs for the sake of their lifestyle, it is none of my business.
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No... Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Sexual immorality is destroying this country, and homosexuality is a part of that. It ain't alright. I don't see how one can be conservative and support any sort of immorality, or any erosion of the cultural norms that have made us great - Just for the sake of the culture, not to mention the fiscal cost and loss of liberty that inevitably results.

That being said, if California and New York want to play with that plague, that ain't no part of me.
If they want to embrace sodomy and all other forms of immorality, that is their business... And if you support something in between, more power to you. That doesn't mean I have to - And that is where my argument rests - in the states - If the good folks of Mississippi want Sunday laws (as an instance), or don't want gay marriage, they should be able to have that, and it's no skin off your nose.

That's the problem here - Everything is being forced to the lowest common denominator, and not only is that doomed to fail, but it isn't what it was made for.
Are you wiling to carry that to non homosexuals as well. Premarital sex, extramarital affairs. Should the states legislate agaisnt that as well. How will you enforce it and what would you have the penalties be?
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Are you wiling to carry that to non homosexuals as well. Premarital sex, extramarital affairs. Should the states legislate agaisnt that as well. How will you enforce it and what would you have the penalties be?

Of course, @verga ... This didn't start with homosexuality.
And I don't know that enforcement is as necessary as choosing what to promote.

If you want a burgeoning welfare state, continue to promote no-fault divorce, single parent homes, and bastard children... You'll continue to get more of what you pay for... And know that crime and drug rates will also continue to explode because of the broken families and the poor raising of the next generation. And eventually the takers outweigh the givers, and start clamoring for communism, which will eventually come, along with mass slaughter and massive tyranny. Because it takes tyranny to rule over a lawless people. The outcome is literally predictable, and has happened over and again.

Or we can go back to what worked, just two generations ago...

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roamer wrote:
"And eventually the takers outweigh the givers, and start clamoring for communism..."

I believe we're getting dangerously close to that point right now.

I'd give the USA 10-15 more years (going in the same direction as things are going now), before "the socialist-communist bloodless revolution" actually occurs.

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roamer wrote:
"And eventually the takers outweigh the givers, and start clamoring for communism..."

I believe we're getting dangerously close to that point right now.

I'd give the USA 10-15 more years (going in the same direction as things are going now), before "the socialist-communist bloodless revolution" actually occurs.

It has already occurred in several states... And I quite agree with you - I thoroughly expect to see the end of these United States before I die. And I will weep.

But, I do not believe it will be bloodless, nor do I believe it will be complete. I think several and various states will prefer dissolution of the union to capitulation... And that is the second best thing to hope for.

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roamer wrote:
"But, I do not believe it will be bloodless, nor do I believe it will be complete. I think several and various states will prefer dissolution of the union to capitulation... And that is the second best thing to hope for."

Agreed on all points, actually.

Hmmm.... have you read any of Kurt Schlichter's 3 novels:
- Indian Country
- People's Republic
- Wildfire

??

He's writing about what you're thinkin' 'bout above.
Good stories.

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roamer wrote:
"But, I do not believe it will be bloodless, nor do I believe it will be complete. I think several and various states will prefer dissolution of the union to capitulation... And that is the second best thing to hope for."

Agreed on all points, actually.

Hmmm.... have you read any of Kurt Schlichter's 3 novels:
- Indian Country
- People's Republic
- Wildfire

??

He's writing about what you're thinkin' 'bout above.
Good stories.

No. I am unfamiliar with Kurt Schlichter.

I will try to pick them up next time I am in town... Makes for a good reason to go by the used book store, as the Lounge thread has made me hungry for it.

Thanks.

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Are you wiling to carry that to non homosexuals as well. Premarital sex, extramarital affairs. Should the states legislate agaisnt that as well. How will you enforce it and what would you have the penalties be?
You do not know history very well.  Up to recently, there were indeed state laws on all the things you mentioned.

We should go back to those laws.  They worked quite well.
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You do not know history very well.  Up to recently, there were indeed state laws on all the things you mentioned.

We should go back to those laws.  They worked quite well.

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