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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2019, 11:46:01 AM »
I gave him a "B",  for the good things he's done for the economy (corporate tax cuts, tax and regulatory reform,  common sense regarding ObamaCare) and for standing up for ordinary Americans.    I still won't support him for the 2020 nomination because these good things need to be preserved and continued,  and Trump, if re-nominated, is going to have his clock cleaned.   

Which potential Republican do you like the best? Sasse, Kristol, Flake, JeBush, Romney , Ryan, or your previous choice Kasich, or somebody else?
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2019, 11:46:23 AM »
You're good … but not THAT good because those of us who know you understand your goal is to destroy conservatism and help usher in a victory for the socialist democrats.  I can hear your denial as I type …. but there is no other reason for you to continually go out of your way to convince Briefers that suppressing 50% of the Republican base in the next presidential election will be the very best thing for us.

RIV, I've always thought that, issue for issue, I probably agree with you on more things than anyone else on this board.   Where you're getting the nutty notion I'm not who I say I am is beyond me,  but I guess it beats addressing my posts on the merits.   

Are you so invested with Trump's cult of personality that you believe that, if he were to decide not to run and return to private life, that 50% of the base would abandon the GOP?    That's there's no one else who can take up the causes of economic growth and pro-Americanism?   That these causes will die with him?    Respectfully,  I think that's absurd.   
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2019, 11:46:27 AM »
What grade did/do you give him?

   I voted B @XenaLee he has actually surprised me, I expected a lot less.   
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2019, 11:46:59 AM »
Do you still think Kasich is that "best candidate?"

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2019, 11:50:29 AM »
Which potential Republican do you like the best? Sasse, Kristol, Flake, JeBush, Romney , Ryan, or your previous choice Kasich, or somebody else?

My first choice would be Nikki Haley,  precisely because she has never identified as a Never-Trumper.  She served the President loyally and well,  and she would be a smashing good nominee for the GOP on a variety of levels.   

Of the names you mention,  my preferences would be Sasse or Ryan.   But Nikki's who I have a crush on.   
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2019, 11:58:03 AM »
   I voted B @XenaLee he has actually surprised me, I expected a lot less.

Well... I shall wait a bit to vote ... since the poll lasts thru this month.  I anticipate it will either be a B or a C, C+. 

My problem with Trump has been the pattern I've observed... that usually when he creates a win (one step forward).... he does or says or tweets something that negates or detracts from that win (one and a half steps backward).  Dunno why that is.

That said... I will always stand firmly against the radical left (Democrats).  It's a constant in our universe.   If that puts me "always" on Trump's side, so be it.   :laugh:

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2019, 12:11:16 PM »
Well... I shall wait a bit to vote ... since the poll lasts thru this month.  I anticipate it will either be a B or a C, C+. 

My problem with Trump has been the pattern I've observed... that usually when he creates a win (one step forward).... he does or says or tweets something that negates or detracts from that win (one and a half steps backward).  Dunno why that is.

That said... I will always stand firmly against the radical left (Democrats).  It's a constant in our universe.   If that puts me "always" on Trump's side, so be it.   :laugh:



   That puts you on the same side as ME @XenaLee and most all Briefers.
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2019, 01:05:12 PM »
And yet.... the economy is booming.   Taxes and fuel costs are down.  Employment/jobs are up.  Spending is, likewise and accordingly, up.  Which means more money going into the coffers (general fund) for spending items like the military and national defense.   With all due respect.....

how, exactly, would that equate to an "F" or lower in your alternate reality universe?

I don't believe those economic figures coming out of Washington.  Those figures were calculated using bogus methods back when Obama was president.  The methods didn't become more accurate when Trump became president.   The bureaucrats still count temporary, part-time and seasonal work as an increase in employment.  They still don't consider those who stopped looking for work and went on welfare, disability or other benefits.

As for taxes -- mine are going up.  Fuel costs -- well, those prices are temporary.  Trust me, they will go up too. 

And then there are the markets which have been volatile.  If there is no trade agreement and the trade war ended, those markets will slide again.  Spending is not only up -- this country is spending money it doesn't have.  Congress refuses to create a real budget to spend only what money it has.  Instead it is spending with what is becoming Monopoly money.  Sooner or later printing money is going to backfire and this country will be bankrupt.  Then what?

A giant recession is still looming.  No phony baloney numbers from DC are going to head it off.

Sorry, but I see no improvement in the economy, at least not where I live.  Seems to me whatever optimism existed when Trump took over from Obama is fading fast.

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2019, 01:12:54 PM »
He got an A+ from me simply because he has done more in two years to attack the heart of the problem in Washington (the unelected bureaucrats who run every agency of the government) than all the previous presidents of my 70 years on this planet.

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2019, 01:23:54 PM »
I don't believe those economic figures coming out of Washington.  Those figures were calculated using bogus methods back when Obama was president.  The methods didn't become more accurate when Trump became president.   The bureaucrats still count temporary, part-time and seasonal work as an increase in employment.  They still don't consider those who stopped looking for work and went on welfare, disability or other benefits.

As for taxes -- mine are going up.  Fuel costs -- well, those prices are temporary.  Trust me, they will go up too. 

And then there are the markets which have been volatile.  If there is no trade agreement and the trade war ended, those markets will slide again.  Spending is not only up -- this country is spending money it doesn't have.  Congress refuses to create a real budget to spend only what money it has.  Instead it is spending with what is becoming Monopoly money.  Sooner or later printing money is going to backfire and this country will be bankrupt.  Then what?

A giant recession is still looming.  No phony baloney numbers from DC are going to head it off.

Sorry, but I see no improvement in the economy, at least not where I live.  Seems to me whatever optimism existed when Trump took over from Obama is fading fast.

I don't know where you live... but if you see NO improvement in the economy, my best guess would be that you live in an area or state where the idiot left already has a firm grip (and has had) on your short hairs.   Not even Trump's policies (lower regulations, lower corporate taxes, tax cuts for the middle class, etc.) can 'fix' that.  Sorry to tell ya....
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2019, 01:37:50 PM »
I don't know where you live... but if you see NO improvement in the economy, my best guess would be that you live in an area or state where the idiot left already has a firm grip (and has had) on your short hairs.   Not even Trump's policies (lower regulations, lower corporate taxes, tax cuts for the middle class, etc.) can 'fix' that.  Sorry to tell ya....

Yes, I find that puzzling too.  It's booming here.
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2019, 01:44:13 PM »
I don't believe those economic figures coming out of Washington.  Those figures were calculated using bogus methods back when Obama was president.  The methods didn't become more accurate when Trump became president.   The bureaucrats still count temporary, part-time and seasonal work as an increase in employment.  They still don't consider those who stopped looking for work and went on welfare, disability or other benefits.

As for taxes -- mine are going up.  Fuel costs -- well, those prices are temporary.  Trust me, they will go up too. 

And then there are the markets which have been volatile.  If there is no trade agreement and the trade war ended, those markets will slide again.  Spending is not only up -- this country is spending money it doesn't have.  Congress refuses to create a real budget to spend only what money it has.  Instead it is spending with what is becoming Monopoly money.  Sooner or later printing money is going to backfire and this country will be bankrupt.  Then what?

A giant recession is still looming.  No phony baloney numbers from DC are going to head it off.

Sorry, but I see no improvement in the economy, at least not where I live.  Seems to me whatever optimism existed when Trump took over from Obama is fading fast.

You must live in California.  That's the only possible explanation.

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2019, 01:44:23 PM »
I give him a B+.  He has shown patriotism that I didn't think that he had and that has truly been my biggest surprise.  He has on occasion shown more patience than I.  I knew that he'd be good for the economy, but the time in which he did it was very surprising. I think he has been remarkable at rolling up his sleeves and getting things done.  He also has turned down his bullying a couple of notches.  I think the world is now in a better place under President Trump than B.O. I had my doubts.

I'm disappointed in the fact that he hasn't been able to hang Hillary out to dry.  I was also disappointed that he was ready to agree to DACA/amnesty.  That was a big error in my books.  Still waiting on the wall and I think he should have taken the action he is taking now in the first 6 months; otherwise I would have given him an A.

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2019, 01:52:07 PM »
I don't believe those economic figures coming out of Washington.  Those figures were calculated using bogus methods back when Obama was president.  The methods didn't become more accurate when Trump became president.   The bureaucrats still count temporary, part-time and seasonal work as an increase in employment.  They still don't consider those who stopped looking for work and went on welfare, disability or other benefits.

As for taxes -- mine are going up.  Fuel costs -- well, those prices are temporary.  Trust me, they will go up too. 

And then there are the markets which have been volatile.  If there is no trade agreement and the trade war ended, those markets will slide again.  Spending is not only up -- this country is spending money it doesn't have.  Congress refuses to create a real budget to spend only what money it has.  Instead it is spending with what is becoming Monopoly money.  Sooner or later printing money is going to backfire and this country will be bankrupt.  Then what?

A giant recession is still looming.  No phony baloney numbers from DC are going to head it off.

Sorry, but I see no improvement in the economy, at least not where I live.  Seems to me whatever optimism existed when Trump took over from Obama is fading fast.

The city that I live in, was just listed as one of the fastest growing cities in the country! First time in a long time that I have seen several help wanted signs; even service trucks driving around with 'help wanted' signs.  Employers in some sectors are having problems filling positions.

Keep in mind ... Lowest BLACK unemployment in HISTORY!  That is huge.  People have been coming off of food stamps.

I think his biggest report card will be at tax time.  Will most of the country benefit from the new taxes?  IF seniors suffer, this could very well give him a black mark on the economy.
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2019, 01:55:28 PM »
The city that I live in, was just listed as one of the fastest growing cities in the country! First time in a long time that I have seen several help wanted signs; even service trucks driving around with 'help wanted' signs.  Employers in some sectors are having problems filling positions.

Keep in mind ... Lowest BLACK unemployment in HISTORY!  That is huge.  People have been coming off of food stamps.

I think his biggest report card will be at tax time.  Will most of the country benefit from the new taxes?  IF seniors suffer, this could very well give him a black mark on the economy.

I have to ask.   Why would seniors suffer from Trump's policies?  (confused)
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2019, 03:48:54 PM »
The city that I live in, was just listed as one of the fastest growing cities in the country! First time in a long time that I have seen several help wanted signs; even service trucks driving around with 'help wanted' signs.  Employers in some sectors are having problems filling positions.

Keep in mind ... Lowest BLACK unemployment in HISTORY!  That is huge.  People have been coming off of food stamps.

I think his biggest report card will be at tax time.  Will most of the country benefit from the new taxes?  IF seniors suffer, this could very well give him a black mark on the economy.

I live in the rust belt.  Not so good here, although I will concede, as @XenaLee alluded to, much of the problem has to with Democrat rule here.  I'm also not seeing a change in black unemployment.  Why should there be when in this part of the country there is so much free stuff?

As for seniors -- I'm a senior and I already know I will owe for the first time in years.  So-called tax reform did nothing for me.  What increase there was in SS has been eaten up by a rise in Medicare  and other things like food and medicine.   As always, we oldsters get the shaft.

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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2019, 04:14:43 PM »
I live in the rust belt.  Not so good here, although I will concede, as @XenaLee alluded to, much of the problem has to with Democrat rule here.  I'm also not seeing a change in black unemployment.  Why should there be when in this part of the country there is so much free stuff?

As for seniors -- I'm a senior and I already know I will owe for the first time in years.  So-called tax reform did nothing for me.  What increase there was in SS has been eaten up by a rise in Medicare  and other things like food and medicine.   As always, we oldsters get the shaft.

Yikes .... this will be our first year filing taxes on SS ... keeping my fingers crossed.  We prepared for a lot ... taxes always hard to guage because the tax laws keep changing.
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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2019, 06:05:28 AM »
Yikes .... this will be our first year filing taxes on SS ... keeping my fingers crossed.  We prepared for a lot ... taxes always hard to guage because the tax laws keep changing.

I have a pro who does my taxes because I can't keep up with all this stuff, and I suspect he has major headaches over the changes too.  I also have a financial advisor, and we have tried to mitigate some of the damage, but it's not going to be enough.  If we had a simplified tax system, we wouldn't have this problem.  About the only "simplification" coming out of this tax tweak is the elimination of the 1040A and 1040EZ.  Everyone will have to fill out a 1040.  But instead of the two simple forms, there are going to be more schedules, so for many taxpayers there may be even more forms to fill out.  I don't see how this is going to make filing tax returns simple.

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2019, 01:05:12 AM »
I can't believe this thread!

First off, I have said it many times on this site, and I will repeat myself, it will be Trump vs Clinton in 2020.  The ONLY thing that will stop that is if the industrial/military complex decides to JFK Trump.  And yes, as is absolutely true, history repeats itself.

JFK signed an executive order to withdraw from Vietnam, and make an effort to end the FED, and he dies.  Trump decides to withdraw from Syria and draw down in Afghanistan, revenue many times that in the 60s for the industrial/military complex, and I say he follows in JFKs footsteps.  I suspect someone may have pointed that out to him, and  he has softened the terms for his actually drawing down and out.

It will be Trump for the GOP.  Really, anyone thinking America would vote for a LOSER like Romney over Trump is smoking to much ganga.  And who else is out there that stands a chance against him in the GOP?  Answer is simple....NO ONE!

On the Dem side of the fence, their circus will be quite entertaining.  They will have 12-20 candidates.  Bernie may or may not run, but he will be inconsequential.  In 2016, he got the never Clinton vote, and there was no other candidate.  The fool from Maryland, he was a joke day one until he withdrew.

This time, HR Clinton announces once there are a dozen or so candidates that have announced they are running.  Clinton has a solid base of 40%.  The rest, whether 10 or 20 others will split the vote and lose, again and again until HR Clinton takes the nomination.

She loses a second time to Trump, who takes 40 electoral states in 2020 if the economy remains strong, and it is a coin toss if the economy is so-so, and he loses if the economy is ailing.  Clinton lives in PA, OH, WI, MI, and FL.  She literally need not go to any other state but those five to attempt to gain an edge.

If the FED increases rates as many times in 2019 as they did in 2018, then they are in on the effort to unseat Trump.  Trump has made the huge mistake of appointing many people whose loyalties are with the Bushes, which I believe is the kiss of death.  His DOJ appointee will also prove to be a huge mistake.  All the stinking lying attorneys in America, and he keeps going back to former Bushies versus finding his own team.  Dumb!

I see Trump serving 4 more years.  I believe the economy will remain strong, and the American people will realize that it was his doing, and not the knucklehead that was number 44.

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Re: Trump's Midterm Paper~What's your Grade?
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2019, 01:31:05 AM »
I can't believe this thread!

First off, I have said it many times on this site, and I will repeat myself, it will be Trump vs Clinton in 2020.  The ONLY thing that will stop that is if the industrial/military complex decides to JFK Trump.  And yes, as is absolutely true, history repeats itself.

JFK signed an executive order to withdraw from Vietnam, and make an effort to end the FED, and he dies.  Trump decides to withdraw from Syria and draw down in Afghanistan, revenue many times that in the 60s for the industrial/military complex, and I say he follows in JFKs footsteps.  I suspect someone may have pointed that out to him, and  he has softened the terms for his actually drawing down and out.

It will be Trump for the GOP.  Really, anyone thinking America would vote for a LOSER like Romney over Trump is smoking to much ganga.  And who else is out there that stands a chance against him in the GOP?  Answer is simple....NO ONE!

On the Dem side of the fence, their circus will be quite entertaining.  They will have 12-20 candidates.  Bernie may or may not run, but he will be inconsequential.  In 2016, he got the never Clinton vote, and there was no other candidate.  The fool from Maryland, he was a joke day one until he withdrew.

This time, HR Clinton announces once there are a dozen or so candidates that have announced they are running.  Clinton has a solid base of 40%.  The rest, whether 10 or 20 others will split the vote and lose, again and again until HR Clinton takes the nomination.

She loses a second time to Trump, who takes 40 electoral states in 2020 if the economy remains strong, and it is a coin toss if the economy is so-so, and he loses if the economy is ailing.  Clinton lives in PA, OH, WI, MI, and FL.  She literally need not go to any other state but those five to attempt to gain an edge.

If the FED increases rates as many times in 2019 as they did in 2018, then they are in on the effort to unseat Trump.  Trump has made the huge mistake of appointing many people whose loyalties are with the Bushes, which I believe is the kiss of death.  His DOJ appointee will also prove to be a huge mistake.  All the stinking lying attorneys in America, and he keeps going back to former Bushies versus finding his own team.  Dumb!

I see Trump serving 4 more years.  I believe the economy will remain strong, and the American people will realize that it was his doing, and not the knucklehead that was number 44.

I don't see HRC running, let alone walking, in 2020.

I don't see the MIC giving a carp about Trump serving four more years.  I've been pleasantly surprised by his talking about getting us out of some of our sinkholes, but even if he pulls through, they don't care.  He'll be gone in a few years, they're in for life.  (If you haven't read it, check out Rumsfeld's autobiography, serving as the youngest/oldest SECDEF with like 24 years in between, he's got a unique perspective on the MIC).

I don't see a serious Republican challenge to Trump in 2020.  Anyone who could beat him will keep their powder dry for 2024.

The economy is not strong.  The economy is, after a decade of artificial stimulus, finally recovering to a little under long term average growth.  It may feel like a boom, in context, but it's not.

The Fed is doing what it has "always" done (I quote "always" because we got into some uncharted territory, but they're still following their usual script).  They didn't start cutting because 0 was elected or start raising because trump was elected.  They are making the same mistakes they always have, based on their understanding of the underlying economy.

And really, when the smoke clears, the impact of the Fed that throws us into the next major recession will not be a few 1/4 point increases, it will be the drawdown of the balance sheet.  Finally.
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