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Roy Moore was reportedly targeted by Dems in second ‘false flag’ operation in 2017 Alabama race

By Alex Pappas | Fox News

Alabama Republican Roy Moore was reportedly targeted by another “false flag” operation organized by Democrats who supported Doug Jones during the state's Senate special election in 2017, according to a new report.

A New York Times story revealed Monday that Democrats created a Facebook page that gave the false impression that it was the work of Baptist teetotalers supporting Moore in the contest. That “Dry Alabama” Facebook page – which called for outlawing alcohol in the state – intended to alienate pro-business, moderate Republicans from Moore, the paper reported.

Democrats reportedly saw an opportunity to win that race after Moore was hit with allegations of past inappropriate sexual conduct with teenage girls. Jones went on to win the race.

It’s the second report in recent weeks of a stealth social media effort by pro-Jones activists.

In December, the New York Times also reported that Democratic operatives, backed by a liberal billionaire, created thousands of fake Russian accounts to give an impression the Russian government was supporting Moore. The secret project was carried out on Facebook and Twitter. After that revelation, Jones said he was "outraged" over the report and called for a federal investigation into the project.

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It's just a shame that so many people (enough to lose the election) were taken in by these smear operations from the Jones camp and elsewhere.

It is faint satisfaction, knowing that those of us who saw through the psyops and failed to convince others that these were political attacks independent of truth, were indeed correct.

The more is revealed, the more I hope that such accusations will be more critically examined in the future.

Despite the revelations of the lies told about Moore, there are those who yet persist in attacking the man's character using the same opposition lies which are being revealed. In the meantime, Jones is in, Moore is not, and we all lose.
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It's just a shame that so many people (enough to lose the election) were taken in by these smear operations from the Jones camp and elsewhere.

It is faint satisfaction, knowing that those of us who saw through the psyops and failed to convince others that these were political attacks independent of truth, were indeed correct.

The more is revealed, the more I hope that such accusations will be more critically examined in the future.

Despite the revelations of the lies told about Moore, there are those who yet persist in attacking the man's character using the same opposition lies which are being revealed. In the meantime, Jones is in, Moore is not, and we all lose.

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Had Moore had depth of support at worst he would have survived this, at best it wouldn't have been tried.  Losing the primary for Governor in 2006 and 2010 and his seat on the Alabama Supreme Court were the first clues he was vulnerable.  The opposition knew this.  I am not in any way justifying what they did with this understanding; I'm just not as surprised as others appear to be.
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It's just a shame that so many people (enough to lose the election) were taken in by these smear operations from the Jones camp and elsewhere.

It is faint satisfaction, knowing that those of us who saw through the psyops and failed to convince others that these were political attacks independent of truth, were indeed correct.

The more is revealed, the more I hope that such accusations will be more critically examined in the future.

Despite the revelations of the lies told about Moore, there are those who yet persist in attacking the man's character using the same opposition lies which are being revealed. In the meantime, Jones is in, Moore is not, and we all lose.

Yep.  And I fear that we might have to get used to that scenario (people being taken in).  Because some of them were willfully duped, apparently.
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Had Moore had depth of support at worst he would have survived this, at best it wouldn't have been tried.  Losing the primary for Governor in 2006 and 2010 and his seat on the Alabama Supreme Court were the first clues he was vulnerable.  The opposition knew this.  I am not in any way justifying what they did with this understanding; I'm just not as surprised as others appear to be.

I'm not surprised @Right_in_Virginia I'm MAD!  Damned mad in fact!

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I'm not surprised @Right_in_Virginia I'm MAD!  Damned mad in fact!

So am I @Bigun     We lost a seat in the Senate by nominating a weak candidate.

Hopefully, we've all learned something here.
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So am I @Bigun     We lost a seat in the Senate by nominating a weak candidate.

Hopefully, we've all learned something here.

NO! Damn it!  That is patently untrue @Right_in_Virginia and you know it! We lost a Senate seat because WE continually allow ourselves to fall far the well known tactics of the SWAMP!  And many here were, are, complicit despite their protestations to the contrary!

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NO! Damn it!  That is patently untrue @Right_in_Virginia and you know it! We lost a Senate seat because WE continually allow ourselves to fall far the well known tactics of the SWAMP!  And many here were, are, complicit despite their protestations to the contrary!

I'm not going to debate this further @Bigun   But he lost two attempts at the Governor's House, was thrown off the Supreme Court once and suspended another.  Believe it or not these are signs that Alabamans may enjoy his antics, but don't want him representing them or governing them.

He was a weak candidate.  Had he not been, Alabamans would have rallied around him.  They just didn't like him or want him enough to get past the skeevy charges.  The writing was on the wall for all to read before the charges even hit. 
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NO! Damn it!  That is patently untrue @Right_in_Virginia and you know it! We lost a Senate seat because WE continually allow ourselves to fall far the well known tactics of the SWAMP!  And many here were, are, complicit despite their protestations to the contrary!

 :amen:  They tried doing the same thing to Kavanaugh.
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After that revelation, Jones said he was "outraged" over the report and called for a federal investigation into the project.

Only fair thing to do is to resign until this is sorted out, right Doug?

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BTW I find it odd that all this stuff is coming out against Jones when he is going into a reelection in 2020. They probably figure he's finished and want to get some other Rat in that Primary.

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I'm not going to debate this further @Bigun   But he lost two attempts at the Governor's House, was thrown off the Supreme Court once and suspended another.  Believe it or not these are signs that Alabamans may enjoy his antics, but don't want him representing them or governing them.

He was a weak candidate.  Had he not been, Alabamans would have rallied around him.  They just didn't like him or want him enough to get past the skeevy charges.  The writing was on the wall for all to read before the charges even hit.
FIne, don't debate it further. You conspicuously left out why he was suspended, and why he was thrown off.

The first incident was over a Ten Comandments monument which form the basis for most western law. I guess some anti-religious folks got their panties in a twist over the idea that there might be a solid set of moral principles which have withstood the test of ages, and wanted it removed under the guise of 'freedom of religion'. He refused to comply.

The other incident arose when he instructed his judges to follow the Alabama Constitution, to wit: an Amendment voted on and passed by an overwhelming majority of the People of the State of Alabama which stated that Marriage shall only be between one man and one woman.

When a Federal Circuit Court judge sent a communication to the state government instructing them to not comply with their own Constitution, Moore took issue with the ruling and told his magistrates to follow Alabama law. The Circuit court had not ordered Moore and the Alabama courts to do anything, the missive was sent to another branch of the state government.

Twice the man went to the wall over principles, the former, the basis, irrespective of religious origins, of Western Law, the latter,in defense of traditional marriage. He lost his job standing up for what is right. IMHO, that's not a weak candidate, whether you agree with him or not.

Come to find that the homosexuals would do anything to keep Moore out over the gay marriage issue, and that Jones's son is a homosexual, and the pieces start to fall into place. The attack most effective was carried out, namely to make Moore in the public eye seem like someone who was a hypocrite, to erode his favor with church going folks who might have seen him as a defender of the faith, and to do so with unsubstantiated but well publicized rumor of sexual impropriety--forcing at the 11th hour the Moore campaign to attempt to prove a negative--the most difficult logical position--over allegations dating back 40 years.

The man was railroaded, and if you stand on principle at all (like Moore has) you'll see that the people of Alabama have been robbed through lies and subterfuge on the part of the Democrats.

And yes, there were too many here fully willing to jump on that train.

Like @Bigun , I'm mad as Hell over the whole thing, too--but even more so at the swamp critters in the GOP who couldn't pull support fast enough.Vipers all!
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BTW I find it odd that all this stuff is coming out against Jones when he is going into a reelection in 2020. They probably figure he's finished and want to get some other Rat in that Primary.
The Swamp things wanted Moore to drop out so they could run a favored candidate. They didn't support Moore, they pulled their support while the ink was still wet on the allegations.
Can't have someone who is willing to stand on principle well enough to lose his job over it roaming the halls on Capitol Hill. He might overhear things he couldn't abide.
No doubt they saw Moore as a loose cannon, and someone who might cost them their phony baloney jobs if he found out what was going on in D.C.
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FIne, don't debate it further. You conspicuously left out why he was suspended, and why he was thrown off.

The first incident was over a Ten Comandments monument which form the basis for most western law. I guess some anti-religious folks got their panties in a twist over the idea that there might be a solid set of moral principles which have withstood the test of ages, and wanted it removed under the guise of 'freedom of religion'. He refused to comply.

The other incident arose when he instructed his judges to follow the Alabama Constitution, to wit: an Amendment voted on and passed by an overwhelming majority of the People of the State of Alabama which stated that Marriage shall only be between one man and one woman.

When a Federal Circuit Court judge sent a communication to the state government instructing them to not comply with their own Constitution, Moore took issue with the ruling and told his magistrates to follow Alabama law. The Circuit court had not ordered Moore and the Alabama courts to do anything, the missive was sent to another branch of the state government.

Twice the man went to the wall over principles, the former, the basis, irrespective of religious origins, of Western Law, the latter,in defense of traditional marriage. He lost his job standing up for what is right. IMHO, that's not a weak candidate, whether you agree with him or not.

Come to find that the homosexuals would do anything to keep Moore out over the gay marriage issue, and that Jones's son is a homosexual, and the pieces start to fall into place. The attack most effective was carried out, namely to make Moore in the public eye seem like someone who was a hypocrite, to erode his favor with church going folks who might have seen him as a defender of the faith, and to do so with unsubstantiated but well publicized rumor of sexual impropriety--forcing at the 11th hour the Moore campaign to attempt to prove a negative--the most difficult logical position--over allegations dating back 40 years.

The man was railroaded, and if you stand on principle at all (like Moore has) you'll see that the people of Alabama have been robbed through lies and subterfuge on the part of the Democrats.

And yes, there were too many here fully willing to jump on that train.

Like @Bigun , I'm mad as Hell over the whole thing, too--but even more so at the swamp critters in the GOP who couldn't pull support fast enough.Vipers all!

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FIne, don't debate it further. You conspicuously left out why he was suspended, and why he was thrown off.

The first incident was over a Ten Comandments monument which form the basis for most western law. I guess some anti-religious folks got their panties in a twist over the idea that there might be a solid set of moral principles which have withstood the test of ages, and wanted it removed under the guise of 'freedom of religion'. He refused to comply.

The other incident arose when he instructed his judges to follow the Alabama Constitution, to wit: an Amendment voted on and passed by an overwhelming majority of the People of the State of Alabama which stated that Marriage shall only be between one man and one woman.

When a Federal Circuit Court judge sent a communication to the state government instructing them to not comply with their own Constitution, Moore took issue with the ruling and told his magistrates to follow Alabama law. The Circuit court had not ordered Moore and the Alabama courts to do anything, the missive was sent to another branch of the state government.

Twice the man went to the wall over principles, the former, the basis, irrespective of religious origins, of Western Law, the latter,in defense of traditional marriage. He lost his job standing up for what is right. IMHO, that's not a weak candidate, whether you agree with him or not.

Come to find that the homosexuals would do anything to keep Moore out over the gay marriage issue, and that Jones's son is a homosexual, and the pieces start to fall into place. The attack most effective was carried out, namely to make Moore in the public eye seem like someone who was a hypocrite, to erode his favor with church going folks who might have seen him as a defender of the faith, and to do so with unsubstantiated but well publicized rumor of sexual impropriety--forcing at the 11th hour the Moore campaign to attempt to prove a negative--the most difficult logical position--over allegations dating back 40 years.

The man was railroaded, and if you stand on principle at all (like Moore has) you'll see that the people of Alabama have been robbed through lies and subterfuge on the part of the Democrats.

And yes, there were too many here fully willing to jump on that train.

Like @Bigun , I'm mad as Hell over the whole thing, too--but even more so at the swamp critters in the GOP who couldn't pull support fast enough.Vipers all!

Thank you @Smokin Joe for this FINE recitation of the facts!  It never ceases to amaze me how smart some people can be in one area and then completely dumb in another but I've seen it too many time to believe it's not real.   **nononono*

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It's just a shame that so many people (enough to lose the election) were taken in by these smear operations from the Jones camp and elsewhere.

It is faint satisfaction, knowing that those of us who saw through the psyops and failed to convince others that these were political attacks independent of truth, were indeed correct.

The more is revealed, the more I hope that such accusations will be more critically examined in the future.

Despite the revelations of the lies told about Moore, there are those who yet persist in attacking the man's character using the same opposition lies which are being revealed. In the meantime, Jones is in, Moore is not, and we all lose.

Yep, so many here were ready to pounce on Moore because of the smear campaign.  It was pathetic.  He would have been a good Senator.

But I hesitate to comment on this Moore thread because it might rouse the Sleeping Queen.
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I'm not going to debate this further @Bigun   But he lost two attempts at the Governor's House, was thrown off the Supreme Court once and suspended another.  Believe it or not these are signs that Alabamans may enjoy his antics, but don't want him representing them or governing them.

He was a weak candidate.  Had he not been, Alabamans would have rallied around him.  They just didn't like him or want him enough to get past the skeevy charges.  The writing was on the wall for all to read before the charges even hit.

I disagree.  Moore was not a perfect candidate but he was miles better than his opposition.  He was just vulnerable enough for the left to paint him bad.  We don't need to pile on now, RIV.
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So am I @Bigun     We lost a seat in the Senate by nominating a weak candidate.

Hopefully, we've all learned something here.

It took everything the left and the RINOs like yourself could throw at the man to get him derailed. Weak my butt. When you resort to throwing around false accusations about something the South holds dear (protecting our children) it ain't no weak attack. Throw in fake ads with millions from all over the country to RINOs not wanting to tip the balance of power in congress. Then throw in now two $100,000 fake false flags FB campaigns.. Lets not forget the fake stories of him being banned at the mall to flyers suggesting Roy was racist. Then lets pile on some Russian bots supporting him. Then throw in late night comedians sending jerks to disrupt his campaigns. The list goes on and on and on what was done wrongfully to Roy. If he was so weak, why did everyone do this? Because he was beloved and they knew it.

The fact is the whole of the country piled on Roy including half of this forum. Why? Because whether they want to admit it or not, a God-Fearing straight conservative voter like Roy was feared.
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The Swamp things wanted Moore to drop out so they could run a favored candidate. They didn't support Moore, they pulled their support while the ink was still wet on the allegations.
Can't have someone who is willing to stand on principle well enough to lose his job over it roaming the halls on Capitol Hill. He might overhear things he couldn't abide.
No doubt they saw Moore as a loose cannon, and someone who might cost them their phony baloney jobs if he found out what was going on in D.C.

I'm not talking about Roy Moore. No one gives a shit about him because he is an unlikable douchebag. What is very odd is the MSM turning on Jones. Something is going on here. They are tanking their own guy.

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Moore wasn't the most spectacular candidate, but still in 'Bama he should have won handily. The smear campaigns are what took him down.
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I'm not talking about Roy Moore. No one gives a shit about him because he is an unlikable douchebag. What is very odd is the MSM turning on Jones. Something is going on here. They are tanking their own guy.
Then you are only seeing half the picture. They didn't want Jones, he was a punt, a placeholder, a zero.

It wasn't the people who voted for Jones who put him in, it was the folks who didn't show to vote for Moore who turned the election--the folks the whole smear campaign targeted.

It won't take much for Alabamans to have a serious case of 'buyers' remorse' over Jones. He's Toast in one term.

But the way the GOP jumped on the hate train tells me they wanted the seat, just not with Moore in it.
 
Even the MSM likes the swamp, muck and all, because they get to roll in it. The MSM liked Jones more, but not much.
By backing Jones (which effectively, hastily throwing Moore to the wolves did), the GOP Swamp critters will pick the seat up next time with someone of their choosing. Had Moore won, they'd likely have been stuck with him for a long time.

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Then you are only seeing half the picture. They didn't want Jones, he was a punt, a placeholder, a zero.

It wasn't the people who voted for Jones who put him in, it was the folks who didn't show to vote for Moore who turned the election--the folks the whole smear campaign targeted.

It won't take much for Alabamans to have a serious case of 'buyers' remorse' over Jones. He's Toast in one term.

But the way the GOP jumped on the hate train tells me they wanted the seat, just not with Moore in it.
 
Even the MSM likes the swamp, muck and all, because they get to roll in it. The MSM liked Jones more, but not much.
By backing Jones (which effectively, hastily throwing Moore to the wolves did), the GOP Swamp critters will pick the seat up next time with someone of their choosing. Had Moore won, they'd likely have been stuck with him for a long time.

Swamp 1
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Roy Moore is a swamp upon himself. He's a piece of human debris that was caught in so many lies trying to bail himself out from the kiddie raper charge that no real person would vote for him for a 2 1/2 year gig.

Brad Byrne is probably going to win that GOP Primary and the election in 2 years. He has a record of not being a loud mouth piece of shit so if the Rats throw mud at him it will be far easier to wipe off.

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Roy Moore is a swamp upon himself. He's a piece of human debris that was caught in so many lies trying to bail himself out from the kiddie raper charge that no real person would vote for him for a 2 1/2 year gig.

Brad Byrne is probably going to win that GOP Primary and the election in 2 years. He has a record of not being a loud mouth piece of shit so if the Rats throw mud at him it will be far easier to wipe off.
There were plenty of lies in that election, but not much you can attribute to Moore. An 11th hour ginned up blindside like that? Tough for a saint to defend against. Now that the assertions which got such great play then are being exposed, there are those who with the fervor of rabid Democrats still repeat the bullshit as if it was gospel--or maybe they have a hard time admitting they have been played for suckers, by, of all people, the Democrats.
Seems like Dem Plants aren't the only things in the swamp that thrive on bullshit.

Damnit Frank, we need a few "loudmouth pieces of shit" in DC who will stand up for something other than bleep the taxpayer.
Moore may have been a "loudmouth" but he does have principles. Maybe you only like unprincipled loudmouths.

In Congress, with rare exception, we just have loudmouth pieces of shit who are intent on screwing us all, and they've been doing a bang up job. I wouldn't mind having a few more 'loudmouths' in there who will stand up for Conservatism.
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It took everything the left and the RINOs like yourself could throw at the man to get him derailed. Weak my butt. When you resort to throwing around false accusations about something the South holds dear (protecting our children) it ain't no weak attack. Throw in fake ads with millions from all over the country to RINOs not wanting to tip the balance of power in congress. Then throw in now two $100,000 fake false flags FB campaigns.. Lets not forget the fake stories of him being banned at the mall to flyers suggesting Roy was racist. Then lets pile on some Russian bots supporting him. Then throw in late night comedians sending jerks to disrupt his campaigns. The list goes on and on and on what was done wrongfully to Roy. If he was so weak, why did everyone do this? Because he was beloved and they knew it.

The fact is the whole of the country piled on Roy including half of this forum. Why? Because whether they want to admit it or not, a God-Fearing straight conservative voter like Roy was feared.

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