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Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people

YES
22 (62.9%)
NO
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Voting closed: January 24, 2019, 08:51:04 am

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2018, 07:30:44 pm »
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."

Not just your standard minefield. A chip, or neural net, in your head.

Not up to muster?

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2018, 07:44:12 pm »
You ever wonder about things?

Korea
Viet Nam
Iraq
F ghanistan
Syria

Tens of thousands of American lives lost.
Trillions of $ lost.

For what?

And we refuse to defend our selves.

I'm buying stock in Crayola.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2018, 07:46:16 pm »
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2018, 08:01:40 pm »
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."

Who knows? That could be in the equation. The future is ripe with possibilities.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2018, 08:32:39 pm »

Clarification, the wall isn't $5 Billion, the wall is project to be $70-$90 Billion. Also, only a fraction of illegals walk across the border where the wall is being built so it wouldn't wipe out all $25 Billion in the expenses.

The $5 billion being fought over now is just to get started.

That changes it. $70b needed to wall the whole 1900 mile
border. $5b should cover 150 miles or close. 150 miles is
a long distance and if built in the right place would reduce
a large portion of border hopping.
I won't accept.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2018, 08:38:26 pm »

It's not a truth.  It's your whacked out opinion. 

Actually, it comes from Saul Alynsky.  Accuse your opponent of treason or any of a number of other heinous faults and marginalize him or her.  You must be so proud to have so much in common with today's Democrats, Antifa and other radical socialists/communists.

This wall worked for many years.


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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2018, 08:56:56 pm »
There's a wall around the White House. Wall and fence
companies are in business and making bank. If walls
don't work then how come they are used everywhere?
This argument has no point but because of the intelligence
level of Democrats needs to happen so they can make
it harder for us to defend ourselves because they love
endangering everyone and threatening America. Whose
side are they on anyways?
I won't accept.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2018, 09:52:51 pm »
A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.

...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.

No, it won't. The thing with a wall (a real one) is that it is passive - Once constructed, there it is - whether regime changes, whether time.

Tech remains dynamic and active (not passive), and is subject to political winds. All it takes to make it immediately go away is for someone to turn off the switch.

No, walls work, if for no other reason than that they cost too much to tear down.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2018, 10:14:27 pm »

It's not a truth.  It's your whacked out opinion. 

Actually, it comes from Saul Alynsky.  Accuse your opponent of treason or any of a number of other heinous faults and marginalize him or her.  You must be so proud to have so much in common with today's Democrats, Antifa and other radical socialists/communists.

@Applewood

Yeah,if there is one thing I am known for it is being a commie.

The Open Borders crowd at the commies,comrade!
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2018, 10:26:29 pm »
@Applewood

Yeah,if there is one thing I am known for it is being a commie.

The Open Borders crowd at the commies,comrade!

If he dropped the commie and just went with pinko fag he might have something there.  :laugh:
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2018, 11:00:52 pm »
Issue is not a Trump issue, it is a national security issue. Voted Yes.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2018, 11:07:31 pm »
No wall, more war in Syria.

#nevertrumpers line up with democRats, AGAIN.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2018, 12:22:38 am »
No.

While I want a wall, others might find it impractical while still supporting other aspects of the solution to our illegal immigration crisis.  I don't think they are the enemy just because they disagree about implementation.  And honestly, I don't think we'll ever get a wall anyway.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2018, 02:19:53 pm »
No wall, more war in Syria.

#nevertrumpers line up with democRats, AGAIN.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2018, 04:04:11 pm »
No.

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While I want a wall, others might find it impractical while still supporting other aspects of the solution to our illegal immigration crisis.
   

@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer

Nope. The left and people who LOVE cheap illegal alien labor have turned this into a polarized issue. You are either for the wall,or you are for open borders and a Dim/Communist/Fascist world where America is just an economic zone.

There is no longer a "in-between".
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2018, 04:37:16 pm »
Seems to me by wanting to spend billions we don't have on a wall we don't need, it is the Trump fans who are more in line with tax and spend Democrats.
So we'll spend billions on illegals instead. many more billions. do you live in the real world?

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2018, 05:23:07 pm »
Seems to me by wanting to spend billions we don't have on a wall we don't need, it is the Trump fans who are more in line with tax and spend Democrats.

You might want to check out this thread

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,345355.msg1876958/topicseen.html#msg1876958

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2018, 05:32:38 pm »

Yes I read it and it's not surprising.  But I still maintain the wall is a waste of money, especially if we are not going to enforce the immigration laws and are going to continue giving away freebees to illegals and so-called refugees.

A wall is just part of the solution, but it is a big and necessary part. Cutting benies to illegals, e-verify and enforcing our laws are the other things we need to do too.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2018, 06:47:35 pm »
Well, if nothing else, this poll thread has revealed who are followers of Saul Alinsky.  I guess some here really do want a dictatorship where we are all required to have the same thoughts and opinions and any dissent will result in ostracism, marginalization or worse.

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Really?

A commie screaming "commie!" at everyone else to try to shut them up?

You didn't get the memo about that method being exposed a couple of decades ago?
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2018, 10:02:21 pm »
@Applewood

Really?

A commie screaming "commie!" at everyone else to try to shut them up?

You didn't get the memo about that method being exposed a couple of decades ago?

In recent years I have fallen victim to this same
tactic that the criminals guilty of such and such
crime make it appear as though you are guilty
of that crime. Or they commit a crime against
you and make it appear like you are guilty of
the crime you are victim of. Another similar
tactic of theirs is try and get you to talk about
a specific crime or subject without directly
bringing it up so that they can make it appear
that such repulsive subject matter or crime is
an interest of yours. Of course, you aren't the
slightest bit interested in such repulsive crimes,
you don't want to think about that or talk about
that, it has no connection with you and it isn't
a matter that relates to anything in your life,
but that's their point, if they can somehow hint
their way of mentioning or discussing what
repulsive matter they want then they can make
it appear you are guilty of such crime.
Additionally, they believe so strongly in the
power of words they want you to mention a
particular word at any price, even if you speak
that word in disdain and with insults. For
example, Applewood mentioned 'commies'
in disdain. This thread has no relation to
commies, therefore Applewood was using the
guise of disatisfaction of commies to advertise
them. Off subject, unrelated to the matter at
hand. All Applewood wanted you to do was
create an opening in your mind for the idea of
commies to lather and foam. This sort of
backwards tactic has fallen out of use in recent
years but obvious some folks think we're dumb
enough that it will work.
I won't accept.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2018, 03:30:43 pm »
And neither party is interested in enforcing the law.  So the wall is still a waste of money.

A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2018, 03:52:30 pm »
A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.

Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay.  Then it makes the problem worse. 

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2018, 03:59:57 pm »
A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.

@jpsb @Oceander

The wall doesn't even need to be manned. It can have wireless cameras and be patrolled by drones. If there is any activity seen,someone monitoring the cameras can dispatch a crew of Border Patrol agents to take care of the problem.

That is not Oceander wants to hear,though. Either he/she/it/multiple choice or someone in that family is a illegal,so all Oceander wants to hear about is open borders because they add nothing but sunshine and bunny hugs.
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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2018, 04:00:35 pm »
Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay.  Then it makes the problem worse.

LOL, A wall works so don't build it. Laughing my ass off at your crazy logic.

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Re: Yes or no; opposing a border wall makes you an enemy of the American people
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2018, 04:01:24 pm »
Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay.  Then it makes the problem worse.

@Oceander

Simple solution to that problem is tougher standards to get a visitor visa,and having anyone who applies for one be required to post a bond to be forfeited if they disappear.
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