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Re: France fuel protests: Police in Paris fire tear gas
« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2018, 04:17:16 pm »
particularly his pro-business overhaul of the French economy.

Yeah. That was never going to happen because Macron is a Commie Pinko fag.

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Re: France fuel protests: Police in Paris fire tear gas
« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2018, 10:04:50 pm »
I suspect that what started as a middle-class, populist protest against government overreach and excessive taxes in France has been co-opted by leftist Antifa-types, and that they are the ones committing destructive acts like smashing the Marianne sculpture, destroying shop windows and spray painting the Arc de Triomphe.

I suspect that is true.

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Re: France fuel protests: Police in Paris fire tear gas
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2018, 11:37:06 pm »
Merged several threads.

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Re: France fuel protests: Police in Paris fire tear gas
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2018, 12:59:17 am »
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I am glad that my friend @EmmanuelMacron and the protestors in Paris have agreed with the conclusion I reached two years ago. The Paris Agreement is fatally flawed because it raises the price of energy for responsible countries while whitewashing some of the worst polluters....


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Re: France fuel protests: Police in Paris fire tear gas
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2018, 02:20:05 pm »
In praise of the Gilets jaunes
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At last, a people’s revolt against the tyranny of environmentalism. Paris is burning. Not since 1968 has there been such heat and fury in the streetsThousands of ‘gilets jaunes’ stormed the capital at the weekend to rage against Emmanuel Macron and his treatment of them with aloof, technocratic disdain. And yet leftists in Britain and the US have been largely silent, or at least antsy, about this people’s revolt. The same people who got so excited about the staid, static Occupy movement a few years ago — which couldn’t even been arsed to march, never mind riot — seem struck dumb by the sight of tens of thousands of French people taking to the barricades against Macronism.

It isn’t hard to see why. It’s because this revolt is as much against their political orthodoxies as it is against Macron’s out-of-touch and monarchical style. Most strikingly this is a people’s rebellion against the onerous consequences of climate-change policy, against the politics of environmentalism and its tendency to punish the little people for daring to live relatively modern, fossil-fuelled lives. This is new. This is unprecedented. We are witnessing perhaps the first mass uprising against eco-elitism and we should welcome it with open arms to the broader populist revolt that has been sweeping Europe for a few years now.  ...

Of course the gilet-jaunes revolt isn’t just about fuel tax. It expresses a broader sense of public anger with the new political class and their cult of bureaucracy, their preference for technocracy over democracy, their gaping, astonishing distance from the concerns and beliefs of ordinary people.  ...
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The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2018, 02:49:28 am »
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French President Emmanuel Macron has scrapped a fuel tax rise amid fears of new violence, after weeks of nationwide protests and the worst rioting in Paris in decades.

An official with the Elysee palace told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the president decided to get rid of the tax.

Philippe told lawmakers that "the tax is now abandoned" in the 2019 budget, and the government is "ready for dialogue." The budget can be adjusted or renegotiated through the course of the year.

Three weeks of protests have left four people dead and were a massive challenge to Macron.

One of the activists leading France's protest movement says that he fears more deaths if Saturday's demonstration goes ahead, and called for President Emmanuel Macron to speak out and bring calm.

Christophe Chalencon said that "if not there will be chaos," with risks of more deaths.

Chalencon said in an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press that the grassroots movement, triggered by fuel tax hikes, has grown amid Macron's silence.

Four people have died since protests began in November. Violent rampaging last Saturday devastated the French capital.

Chalencon, a 52-year-old blacksmith, said the public needed Macron to "admit he made a mistake, with simple words ... that touch the guts and heart of the French."

He said the prime minister's announcement Tuesday of a freeze on tax hikes "had no resonance."
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-leading-protest-activist-macron-speak-59624047
Message to Trump:  Better not try to raise gas taxes here.
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2018, 02:53:57 am »
Message to Trump:  Better not try to raise gas taxes here.


LOL! That shit would never go down here.
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2018, 07:05:35 am »

LOL! That shit would never go down here.

Yeppers, and neither would illegal immigration, gay marriage, Bammycare, Sharia law, and Common Core.
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2018, 02:21:25 pm »
Yeppers, and neither would illegal immigration, gay marriage, Bammycare, Sharia law, and Common Core.

I meant people wouldn't force the government to comply through public unrest. They don't care about our outrage.
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END OF MACRON: French MPs launch NO CONFIDENCE vote amid nationwide anger and riots
EMMANUEL Macron’s leadership is hanging by a thread as left-wing groups within the French parliament discuss launching a no confidence vote against the president.

By Romina McGuinness

PUBLISHED: 10:07, Thu, Dec 6, 2018 | UPDATED: 14:34, Thu, Dec 6, 2018

Mr Macron and Prime Minister Edouard Philippe’s popularity ratings hit new lows as the “yellow vest” protests gathered speed, according to an Ifop-Fiducial poll. The young centrist has been hit by a wave of popular discontent over a planned eco-tax rise, which quickly morphed into a broader rebuke of his aloof leadership style and tough policies. Mr Macron’s satisfaction rating fell to 23 per cent in November, down six percentage points on the previous month, the poll for Paris Match and Sud Radio showed.

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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2018, 03:26:32 pm »
This article doesn't mention that the tax hike is only temporarily scrapped.

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The left wing loves socialism until they have to actually pay for it.

The wealth redistribution scheme (carbon tax) is now hitting the French middle class because their tax laws have forced all the wealthy French to leave France.
Now that its up to the middle class to pay for socialism - there are riots and they want a Donald Trump.

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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2018, 05:44:02 pm »
This article doesn't mention that the tax hike is only temporarily scrapped.
That was the day before.It has now been dropped from the 2019 budget

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obamas-choice-beto-meeting-puts-ex-president-in-awkward-spot-as-numerous-allies-eye-2020

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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2018, 05:49:26 pm »
Message to Trump:  Better not try to raise gas taxes here.

Fortunately we don't have the government set where the president can raise most taxes by himself, except for tariffs...
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2018, 07:04:31 pm »
Fortunately we don't have the government set where the president can raise most taxes by himself, except for tariffs...
No one said he could do this himself.

Was referring to his past hint that this could happen with his support.
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2018, 07:14:36 pm »
Macron screwed the pooch on this one.   The Yellow Jackets are not going to stop rioting because he backed off.   Those Antifa types are going to destroy France.
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2018, 07:51:35 pm »
No one said he could do this himself.

Was referring to his past hint that this could happen with his support.

I've spent a little time searching trying to learn about the French taxes and how/what was put in place leading to the revolt.

So far all I have found has blamed Macron alone, while I find that hard to be the reality.
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Re: The Latest: France's Macron scraps fuel tax after protests
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2018, 08:13:31 pm »
When the GW crowd pushed for carbon taxes, they didn't realize they would be paying it themselves.
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Re: France fuel protests: Police in Paris fire tear gas
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2018, 11:32:50 am »
Footage of 146 protesters taken in for questioning:


https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1071002905606529025

Say what you will, it would not surprise me if outside interests are trying to fan the flames over this.

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http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/07/riots-france-arent-just-gas-taxes-wests-decline/

The Riots In France Aren’t Just About Gas Taxes, But About The West’s Decline
The yellow jacket protests are just a small symptom of a much larger problem––the decline and fall of once-magnificent France.

By Auguste Meyrat
December 7, 2018

This past week, Parisians in yellow safety vests took to the streets to riot against French leadership. They have defaced the Arc de Triomphe, thrown rocks at policemen and soldiers, and lit fires all over the city. Macron literally had egg on his face and continues to suffer abysmal approval ratings, while the current protests enjoy high approval ratings in the country, despite the destruction.

Most commentary (which happened all over France, not just Paris) has focused on the fuel tax increase as the main reason for the protests, as though the French have never paid exorbitant taxes before. It has also characterized the yellow vest protests as a recent event, but they had been going on for weeks before they became violent these past few days.

Macron and the French media have unsurprisingly tried to pin the protests and riots on Marine Le Pen’s racist minions without evidence, while residents in France have claimed that the protesters are mostly middle-aged Frenchmen with no political affiliation.

While protests and car-burnings are actually common in France, what’s happening now is much worse than usual and will not go away anytime soon. What observers should know is that this is not about fuel prices or Macron’s incompetence; this is about the fall of the West.

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Excellent article.
A little more:

The United States is different only in that it is a few decades behind. Conservatives here do have an elite (although a much smaller, less influential one than liberals), which is divided between those who support Trump and those who don’t (although the latter is quickly disappearing). Nevertheless, many conservatives fear that Trump may be the last Republican president before the inevitable decline brought on by liberals’ stranglehold on the culture. Once that decline comes, Americans will take to the streets and voice their grievances like the French people are doing now.

As I posted in another thread several days' back:
"After Trump, the deluge...."
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Emmanuel Macron goes AWOL as protests, violence plague Paris
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2018, 11:01:49 pm »
As France braces for another round of violent protests this weekend in Paris and the rest of the country, embattled French President Emmanuel Macron is a missing man as his government tries to curb the chaos caused in part by his unpopular plan to hike gas taxes.

Macron swept into power in 2017, having emerged out of obscurity less than a year earlier. Espousing his own brand of centrism, he has presented himself on the world stage as a spokesman for multilateralism and internationalism against a nationalist wave moving through Europe.

While he has regularly been seen on world stages, including the United Nations and the U.S. Congress, he has been conspicuous by his absence this week, choosing to keep away from the limelight as his government attempts to deal with the issues being protested by the “yellow jacket” protesters who have protested and even rioted in cities over France in recent weeks.

Macron had initially stood firm on the hikes, saying they were necessary to combat climate change and France’s reliance on oil. But on Wednesday, Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that the government was scrapping the tax hike altogether. A government spokesman also suggested on French radio that a wealth tax that Macron ended last year could be re-introduced.
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Re: Emmanuel Macron goes AWOL as protests, violence plague Paris
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2018, 11:11:01 pm »
Ya, go with the wealth tax and watch your national wealth decline... The wealth will simply seep out of the country out of reach... Idiots...

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Re: Emmanuel Macron goes AWOL as protests, violence plague Paris
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2018, 11:13:10 pm »
This was the same asswipe mocking Trump last month. Looks like he is hiding in his bedroom with his mom now.

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Re: Emmanuel Macron goes AWOL as protests, violence plague Paris
« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2018, 11:29:53 pm »
This was the same asswipe mocking Trump last month. Looks like he is hiding in his bedroom with his mom now.

Mom/wife...