Progressives unseated all 59 Republican judges up for re-election in Houston in the midterms

[TomSea]

Asking the Republicans to drop the social conservative issue is a non-issue, it won't happen. Some states I believe have had State Republican adopt a more lenient pro-life stance, I think that is in Nevada and Massachusetts, apologies if wrong but this won't happen soon on the national level. It's been an idea with some for a long time. Many Republicans don't want the blood on their hands of not being able to defend the most innocent around us and it doesn't speak well for this country. John Adams as we've heard before, said the Constitution is for a moral and religious people. 

Anyway, not going to happen.

[TomSea]

Seems Rubio, Graham and others also responded in like to Trump or even started things.

Anyway, if we went the milk toast way for Prez. Trump, we sure as heck, wouldn't have seen him elected.

How about Rick Perry? I remember what he said, that Trump was a cancer on conservatism, how is that secretary of energy position working now?

[Dexter]

Anyway, not going to happen.

Then all is lost I'm afraid.

[Fishrrman]

Groucho wrote:
"Our goal should not be to silence the opposition, even within our own party,  that is what the left does."

Sorry.

When it comes to communism -- it should be "silenced".

What we are seeing now are the consequences of NOT silencing it when we could.

[libertybele]

Then all is lost I'm afraid.

All IS lost if the GOP continues to play their game instead of coming up with their own game plan.  They tried softening their position on many social issues to appease the DEMS, that got them no where and lost elections.  Had the party united and ALL promoted Republican ideals and conservatism and stood by their party, we wouldn't be in this mess.  It seems you are suggesting that the GOP needs to lean more to the left.  I couldn't disagree more. 

The issues we face of election fraud, fake news, false accusations, Russian interference, political corruption, corruption within our judicial system, etc., aren't Republican or Democrat issue, but American issues.  As American these are issues that are destroying our country and if we don't get a grip on them and turn things around, you are correct; all will be lost.

[TomSea]

This is a bit off on a tangent; but one might as well argue that Roe V Wade started the country towards the precipice if one is arguing the GOP should give up on social conservative issues.

[Dexter]

that got them no where and lost elections.

That is the only thing that kept them relevant. It sucks to lose ground, but that's what has happened. I think letting go of certain issues would create room to double down on more important and winning issues. For example it's not impossible for the United States to become a LOT more conservative about immigration. That would be a big win.

[libertybele]

This is a bit off on a tangent; but one might as well argue that Roe V Wade started the country towards the precipice if one is arguing the GOP should give up on social conservative issues.

We didn't lose the mid terms due to social conservative issues period.  How many of those issues were on the ballot?  Most issues have already been decided and I don't recall anyone during the mid terms running on those issues; rather they ran on the current state of the union and the accomplishments of the GOP.  Many RINO's refused to join in on the Trump bandwagon and many retired their positions from the House, including their leader Lyin' Ryan; the results to me were not unexpected.

The Senate is holding on by a thread as we all know because of election corruption.

Softening on conservative issues only sends the message that conservatism doesn't work.  Certainly not the message that I want to send.

[libertybele]

That is the only thing that kept them relevant. It sucks to lose ground, but that's what has happened. I think letting go of certain issues would create room to double down on more important and winning issues. For example it's not impossible for the United States to become a LOT more conservative about immigration. That would be a big win.

It's not the issues that we're battling anymore.  It's the political corruption within OUR government.

[Dexter]

How many of those issues were on the ballot?

The GOP still has a reputation with those issues, and that reputation has become a hindrance. A lot of people don't vote for Republicans because they are seen as the party of Christian social issues.

[TomSea]

Anyway, it is a pipe dream to talk about this in regards to Texas.

Anyway, if we had some sort of libertarians dream and one said, okay, abortion is a right but the government will not fund it or be involved in it, that's one thing.

But to the Democrats, it's a big cash cow, Planned Parenthood is a big lobby like the NEA, National Education Association for example and Planned Parenthood receives as many as half a billion dollars of tax payer monies. That's going to stay because Planned Parenthood is a puppet master of the Democrat party among others such as the Unions. The Democrats are not going to let this go.  Too much money involved.

Same-sex marriage has basically happen. We need to watch this front but things don't look like they will change in this.

All of the GOP candidates were very pro-life, Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Carly, Christie (who did well in a blue state), Perry and so on. The GOP will not do an about face on this.

[Dexter]

It's not the issues that we're battling anymore.  It's the political corruption within OUR government.

I don't think the integrity of our elections has been destroyed. I think conservatives just don't want to accept that they are losing this battle. You need to fight smarter or you will be defeated.

[TomSea]

This is off-topic but one could say, some countries have largely died off because of their abortions, Russia still can't get a very good replacement rate or if people are replacing the population, it's going to be Muslims. That's what one gets with abortion, dying countries.

[libertybele]

I don't think the integrity of our elections has been destroyed. I think conservatives just don't want to accept that they are losing this battle. You need to fight smarter or you will be defeated.

??? Perhaps you need to re-evaluate what is happening in ME, FL, GA, CA, AZ, etc.,... many races that were declared a GOP win have either been contested and turned over to the DEMS or are still facing recounts.

 

[Dexter]

??? Perhaps you need to re-evaluate what is happening in ME, FL, GA, CA, AZ, etc.,... many races that were declared a GOP win have either been contested and turned over to the DEMS or are still facing recounts.

There are conservatives involved in the recount process. I don't think they are cheating. Can you imagine if they got caught red handed? What a PR nightmare. Should they have given it up on or the day after election day? Yes, but they are desperate to win too. I heard Rick Scott actually gained votes after the recount. I'm not saying they won't use just about any sleazy and underhanded tactic they can to win, but I don't think outright cheating is currently one of their tactics. I think the GOP is simply in decline.

[Smokin Joe]

The GOP still has a reputation with those issues, and that reputation has become a hindrance. A lot of people don't vote for Republicans because they are seen as the party of Christian social issues.

Like who?

The kill your baby set? The I wanna get high set?

People who aren't happy with the way the mean old laws just won't let them be totally irresponsible?

Like, Liberals?


They aren't going to vote GOP anyway, if they want a liberal in office, they can just vote for the real thing.

The GOP has been running from the Right and sucking up to the former Leftists they called the "Middle".

No one is saying you have to go to church on Sunday, can't drink, and as I pointed out earlier, at least some of the folks who did not vote for the GOP Senate Candidate in ND this go-round still voted against legalized recreational pot. (still not a good idea, imho).
Blue Laws (generally a southern Democrat thing) are pretty much gone, and the only real reason the Homolobby pushed for "marriage" was so they could get insurance on each other's plans--incidentally why the preexisting condition clauses were in Obamacare--so they'd have to be covered. (1.3 million HIV/AIDS infected and counting, and guess who is the prime high risk group).
So just what "Christian morality" is the GOP 'treying to shove down anyone's throat'?

There is no opt out on a whole slew of progressive programs from putting condoms on pickles to lectures on S&M for grade schoolers, but you better not mention Jesus.

Give me a chance to vote to turn those tables and I sure will, but no one is advocating that--instead the GOP is rushing to embrace the perversion du jour and leave its traditional base behind, again, citing that they will vote GOP because they have no place else to go. (false dichotomy, as the GOP is discovering). No one is under any obligation to vote for that which they don't like, and the GOP is finding that out--from people on the Right.

If you do the math, there is nothing for the GOP to gain by discarding its traditional base in favor of a group of voters who, if they want a Liberal Socialist Government, can always vote Democrat and have the real thing.

[libertybele]

There are conservatives involved in the recount process. I don't think they are cheating. Can you imagine if they got caught red handed? What a PR nightmare. Should they have given it up on or the day after election day? Yes, but they are desperate to win too. I heard Rick Scott actually gained votes after the recount. I'm not saying they won't use just about any sleazy and underhanded tactic they can to win, but I don't think outright cheating is currently one of their tactics. I think the GOP is simply in decline.

Oh my goodness ... they were caught red handed.  The Supervisor of Elections in Broward county was caught before in 2016 and now in 2018 she hasn't complied with judges order.  There is video of ballots being brought in after the election, she hasn't met deadline, she's interpreted ballots on her own, she's intertwined provisional ballots with ordinary ballots and the list goes on.  The Supervisor in Palm Beach has not complied with judges ruling as well and ballots have been brought in after the fact. Who's overseeing all this??  If the DEMS had won and the GOP asked for a recount and this was going on, do you think they'd sit idly by?  Hell no.  I can only speak for FL because I live here and am paying much more attention to the corruption going on here than I am in AZ, CA, ME, etc., etc.

You don't find it just a bit coincidental, that in every case, the liberal precincts are running across ballots that supposedly haven't been counted and as a result the GOP victory is now a DEM victory.  Yeppers ... no corruption going on at all.   

[Dexter]

Like who?

The kill your baby set? The I wanna get high set?

People who aren't happy with the way the mean old laws just won't let them be totally irresponsible?

Like, Liberals?


They aren't going to vote GOP anyway, if they want a liberal in office, they can just vote for the real thing.

The GOP has been running from the Right and sucking up to the former Leftists they called the "Middle".

No one is saying you have to go to church on Sunday, can't drink, and as I pointed out earlier, at least some of the folks who did not vote for the GOP Senate Candidate in ND this go-round still voted against legalized recreational pot. (still not a good idea, imho).
Blue Laws (generally a southern Democrat thing) are pretty much gone, and the only real reason the Homolobby pushed for "marriage" was so they could get insurance on each other's plans--incidentally why the preexisting condition clauses were in Obamacare--so they'd have to be covered. (1.3 million HIV/AIDS infected and counting, and guess who is the prime high risk group).
So just what "Christian morality" is the GOP 'treying to shove down anyone's throat'?

There is no opt out on a whole slew of progressive programs from putting condoms on pickles to lectures on S&M for grade schoolers, but you better not mention Jesus.

Give me a chance to vote to turn those tables and I sure will, but no one is advocating that--instead the GOP is rushing to embrace the perversion du jour and leave its traditional base behind, again, citing that they will vote GOP because they have no place else to go. (false dichotomy, as the GOP is discovering). No one is under any obligation to vote for that which they don't like, and the GOP is finding that out--from people on the Right.

If you do the math, there is nothing for the GOP to gain by discarding its traditional base in favor of a group of voters who, if they want a Liberal Socialist Government, can always vote Democrat and have the real thing.

People are a lot more varied than you might think. There are economic conservatives in the pot and gay marriage crowd that won't vote for Republicans, or at least won't vote for a number of them. There are even people in the pro abortion crowd that economically are conservatives. These issues have varying levels of importance to different people. Making yourself more appealing to more people will result in more votes. I'm not religious so I know I'm incapable of appreciating how much these things mean to people like you, but I really really really want conservatives to win the immigration fight.

[Silver Pines]

The GOP still has a reputation with those issues, and that reputation has become a hindrance. A lot of people don't vote for Republicans because they are seen as the party of Christian social issues.

Then that’s how it has to be.  Not going to sell my soul for politics.

@Dexter

[roamer_1]

It is a demographically silly proposition in the first place. You cannot replace the Christian Right.

[DB]

It is a demographically silly proposition in the first place. You cannot replace the Christian Right.

Get rid of Christians and the moral void will be filled with something else.

[TomSea]

The talk would be 'give up social issues', then if that wouldn't work, it would be, 'well, give out more welfare .' To really be 'Dems lite.  It's really like Rush says, the Democrats need an underclass to function.

Also, I think as long as lives are not worth anything, there will be problems in the innercities, who really the Democrats and liberals aim their programs at.

[TomSea]

Reagan gave amnesty to illegals, mostly Hispanics, did it help George HW Bush? Not just no but He'll no!

That Illinois governor gave in to the Dems on social issues, he was just voted out.

You give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile.

Republicans, then, would have to promise free stuff just like the Democrats.

[DB]

Reagan gave amnesty to illegals, mostly Hispanics, did it help George HW Bush? Not just no but He'll no!

That Illinois governor gave in to the Dems on social issues, he was just voted out.

You give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile.

Republicans, then, would have to promise free stuff just like the Democrats.

What do you think forcing insurance coverage of preexisting conditions is? Free stuff someone else has to pay for.

[Dexter]

It is a demographically silly proposition in the first place. You cannot replace the Christian Right.

I guess my hope was that the Christian right would still vote for Republicans, seeing them as the more intelligent option. Not having a public position n these issues doesn't mean the Republicans have given up on morality. It just means they understand how to win elections. Who says some of these issues can't come back to the forefront once it's more politically expedient?