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Don't ya just hate it when that happens?
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I fail to see how surrendering is "winning".


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It's called Christianity. I'm sorry, but people in this country are turning their back on it. It's just true. Issues raised by its most ardent followers are becoming too heavy to bare. I think in the near future conservative politicians will make a tactical decision and abandon some of the main issues connected to religion.

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That is asking too much of devoutly religious people. The True Believers are going to believe what they believe,regardless of if they are Christian,Jewish,Muslim,or Satan Worshippers. They believe what they believe,and you just have to accept that nothing you say or do will influence them to do any different.

I do agree with the second part of what you wrote,though.
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Optimizing the message for max appeal to whom and for when? 

To anybody that might vote for Republicans going forward. If you think not focusing on Christian values to gain votes would mean all is lost anyway, well, I get it, but I very much disagree with you. I think parts of the Republican platform are doomed. However I think other parts can be salvaged and used to make a strong and revitalized economic conservative movement. You might lose the fight on some social issues, but the battle for the border and economics is not over. The right cannot throw in the towel once religion becomes too much of an election losing element. They have to adapt and push forward.

The mid terms are over, with recounts going on that continue to favor the DEMS.

I don't think they're going to flip Florida.

What do you really expect is going to happen in 2020 since the DEMS have succeeded in election/ballot tampering?  Think for a minute.  Do you really think that the election will be a legitimate one?? 

I don't want to believe it's that bad, but even if it is Republicans can still win elections. There is no choice but to push forward.


Revolting? Isn't that exactly what the left is doing?? They took to the streets after Trump won.  They went after him with fake news.  They conjured up claims of Russian collusion.  They have wrongfully accused GOP candidates with sexual misconduct.  They are bringing in ballots long since the polls closed.  They have organized mass protests throughout the country. The liberal courts have rejected Trump's e.o.'s , etc., etc.

A lot of what they are doing is just plain dirty politics, but some of what they are doing is illegal.  It is alarming that what they are doing illegally is being allowed by the liberal judges.  So ... the court system is failing to protect.

I just don't want people to start killing each other. I'm done with all of this at that point. "What? Me? Oh, I'm just an ignorant nonpartisan."


So ... how do we counter this??  They've stacked the courts.  They've corrupted the election process.  They're bringing in illegals to capture the liberal votes to overwhelm and outnumber a political party.  Bammy's "neighborhood organizational skills" have taken a stranglehold on our Republic.  Where do we go from here??

Conservatives look to be set up to control the supreme court for a while. That's something. I've given you my answer. If letting go of social issues isn't an option then I see no path to victory.
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@Dexter

What you seem to be advocating is that the GOP not mention issues that you find controversial, that they vote for the good of the collective, rather than the good of the individual.
it is asking that we vote for the government, not make any waves, have the state to solve issues, regardless how an individual may believe, or is affected by the result.
I think this is the antithesis of conservatism, which should always be about the freedom of the individual along with the smallest form of government possible.
What you are advocating, in my opinion, is a "social" type of socialism, in the guise of this being good for the ballot box, where no one objects to the things that might make someone else uncomfortable.
Our goal should not be to silence the opposition, even within our own party,  that is what the left does.
No, thank you.

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If the conservatives would cut off excess fat connected to religion and focus on just economic conservatism the left would get dominated. I know the religious element of American conservatism is very important to a lot of posters here, but every single issue being pushed by the religious right is a loser at the polls, and it gets worse every year.

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@Dexter

What you seem to be advocating is that the GOP not mention issues that you find controversial, that they vote for the good of the collective, rather than the good of the individual.
it is asking that we vote for the government, not make any waves, have the state to solve issues, regardless how an individual may believe, or is affected by the result.
I think this is the antithesis of conservatism, which should always be about the freedom of the individual along with the smallest form of government possible.
What you are advocating, in my opinion, is a "social" type of socialism, in the guise of this being good for the ballot box, where no one objects to the things that might make someone else uncomfortable.
Our goal should not be to silence the opposition, even within our own party,  that is what the left does.
No, thank you.

@GrouchoTex well said.
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If the conservatives would cut off excess fat connected to religion and focus on just economic conservatism the left would get dominated. I know the religious element of American conservatism is very important to a lot of posters here, but every single issue being pushed by the religious right is a loser at the polls, and it gets worse every year.

@Dexter

You continue to make this claim, yet I haven't heard specifics on what it is you object to.
There are those on left that will say single payer healthcare and welfare is the Christian thing to do.
We may disagree with this, (I believe helping our less fortunate neighbors is an individual or community act, and not a government function, myself) but no one is out there saying they will lose their votes or their base by saying so.
What is it about the religious right, and not the religious left, that has you so concerned about it in some sort of death spiral defeat?

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@Dexter

You continue to make this claim, yet I haven't heard specifics on what it is you object to.
There are those on left that will say single payer healthcare and welfare is the Christian thing to do.
We may disagree with this, (I believe helping our less fortunate neighbors is an individual or community act, and not a government function, myself) but no one is out there saying they will lose their votes or their base by saying so.
What is it about the religious right, and not the religious left, that has you so concerned about it in some sort of death spiral defeat?

I can't speak for Dexter, of course, but what I object to is the insistence of many on the religious right that government restrict the liberty of women to choose whether or not to reproduce,  or to deny homosexuals the equal protection of the law.    This is not an objection to the views of religious conservatives that abortion is wrong,  or that homosexuality is sinful.   Those are legitimate positions based on religious faith and texts, and of course the Constitution guarantees religious liberty.   But (some) religious conservatives want to go beyond speaking and advocating for their faith-based beliefs, and enlist the State to enforce them,  often at the price of denying folks their liberty and the law's equal protection.   

Religious folks can and should persuade others of the horrors of abortion,  but when they seek to enlist the state to ban the practice, they have crossed the line to advocating coercion.   Similarly,  if religious folks believe homosexuality is sinful, they should not practice it.   But when they insist that the State deny homosexuals the right to marry, or to obtain housing and other goods and services on the same basis as others, they have crossed the line to advocating coercion.   

@Dexter is absolutely correct -  economic conservatism, or more broadly conservatism that acknowledges and protects the individual liberties and consciences of everyone from encroachment by the state,   is a winning message that can and will win elections.   Coercive conservatism, on the other hand,  is different only in emphasis and degree from the coercive collectivism of the typical leftist.   
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I can't speak for Dexter, of course, but what I object to is the insistence of many on the religious right that government restrict the liberty of women to choose whether or not to reproduce,  or to deny homosexuals the equal protection of the law.    This is not an objection to the views of religious conservatives that abortion is wrong,  or that homosexuality is sinful.   Those are legitimate positions based on religious faith and texts, and of course the Constitution guarantees religious liberty.   But (some) religious conservatives want to go beyond speaking and advocating for their faith-based beliefs, and enlist the State to enforce them,  often at the price of denying folks their liberty and the law's equal protection.   

Religious folks can and should persuade others of the horrors of abortion,  but when they seek to enlist the state to ban the practice, they have crossed the line to advocating coercion.   Similarly,  if religious folks believe homosexuality is sinful, they should not practice it.   But when they insist that the State deny homosexuals the right to marry, or to obtain housing and other goods and services on the same basis as others, they have crossed the line to advocating coercion.   

@Dexter is absolutely correct -  economic conservatism, or more broadly conservatism that protects the individual liberties and consciences of everyone from encroachment by the state,   is a winning message that can and will win elections.   Coercive conservatism, on the other hand,  is different only in emphasis and degree from the coercive collectivism of the typical leftist.   

@Jazzhead

i am already quite familiar with your positions, which I disagree with.
You are correct in your first sentence, that you cannot speak for @Dexter, but, lo and behold, it sure didn't stop you from trying.

"Coercive conservatism, on the other hand,  is different only in emphasis and degree from the coercive collectivism of the typical leftist", which is exactly what you and Dexter are advocating, by trying to silence debate which which you are uncomfortable with, and that is leftist.

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@Jazzhead

i am already quite familiar with your positions, which I disagree with.
You are correct in your first sentence, that you cannot speak for @Dexter, but, lo and behold, it sure didn't stop you from trying.

"Coercive conservatism, on the other hand,  is different only in emphasis and degree from the coercive collectivism of the typical leftist", which is exactly what you and Dexter are advocating, by trying to silence debate which which you are uncomfortable with, and that is leftist.

@GrouchoTex

How am I trying to "silence debate"?    I am merely engaging as a member of this board concerning a topic I find interesting to discuss.  This isn't a private conversation between you and Dexter.     If all you can manage to say is that "you disagree", then fine.  But I fail to see what you're trying to gain by accusing me of being a leftist trying to "silence debate". 

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@Jazzhead

i am already quite familiar with your positions, which I disagree with.
You are correct in your first sentence, that you cannot speak for @Dexter, but, lo and behold, it sure didn't stop you from trying.

"Coercive conservatism, on the other hand,  is different only in emphasis and degree from the coercive collectivism of the typical leftist", which is exactly what you and Dexter are advocating, by trying to silence debate which which you are uncomfortable with, and that is leftist.

I think Jazzhead summed a lot of it up rather well. I think a lot of Christians here conflate making a tactical political decision with completely giving up on Christian morality. It's not really like that. The right needs to win elections, badly.

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I want the right to win elections so they can stop us from turning into a third world country. I'm not uncomfortable with Christian morality, but I do think Christian issues are losers at the polls. The Republicans are at a crossroad right now. Do they go down with the ship or do they find a way to adapt and survive? I'm not willing to throw in the towel on immigration because gay people can get married and women have access to abortion.
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I think Jazzhead summed a lot of it up rather well. I think a lot of Christians here conflate making a tactical political decision with completely giving up on Christian morality. It's not really like that. The right needs to win elections, badly.


Not at the expense of principle things, or the right is no longer the right.

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I want the right to win elections so they can stop us from turning into a third world country.

Not at the expense of principle things, or the right can no more stop the decline than the left can. It is those principles that are lacking, and those principles are the only answer - As attended by centuries of evidence.

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If the conservatives would cut off excess fat connected to religion and focus on just economic conservatism the left would get dominated. I know the religious element of American conservatism is very important to a lot of posters here, but every single issue being pushed by the religious right is a loser at the polls, and it gets worse every year.

If you're talking about anti-marijuana or anti-gay marriage, then I agree with you.

But the pro-life issue is supported by the majority of the country and not just religion.
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Again, I am not seeing anyone on the right running on traditional christian issues, so I disagree with you.
How can it hold a party back that isn't running on these issues?
 I think you may severely overestimate how much religious issues are holding back the right at the moment.
From what I am witnessing, the right is focusing on more winning issues, like economics, the second amendment and immigration.
You say, "There are a LOT of people that would start voting R if Republicans stopped talking about a couple of issues."
Where are you hearing them talk about those "couple of issues"?

Frankly, I wish they would.
A party that stands for nothing will fall for anything.

It is quite possible, because they have STOPPED talking about these issues, that people on the right no longer see a discernable difference between the 2 parties, and may not choose to participate anymore.

If the only reason to vote is that this party is less likely to take more of your money than the other party, there isn't a whole lot to get excited about.
Both parties are taking your money and freedom, only one is doing it faster than the other.

BINGO! What one Party doesn't take because of overwhelming objection, the other seizes, with applause.

Enough is enough.
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If you're talking about anti-marijuana or anti-gay marriage, then I agree with you.

But the pro-life issue is supported by the majority of the country and not just religion.

I think abortion issue will become an albatross as well, but you're right that currently it's not at that point. You bring up another interesting element with marijuana. What if the party of libertarians embraced this first? Don't let this become a "If you don't vote for Democrats the Republicans will take your weed away." issue. Republicans should be championing this issue rather than letting it become one more notch in the belt of the Democrats.
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I can't speak for Dexter, of course, but what I object to is the insistence of many on the religious right that government restrict the liberty of women to choose whether or not to reproduce,  or to deny homosexuals the equal protection of the law.   
Abortion isn't "reproduction", it isn't a choice to not "reproduce", it is a choice to end a life already started. The choice to reproduce has already been made at that point, it is a fait accomplit. The decision is one of whether or not to end that growing and innocent life, for whatever reason, usually because it is inconvenient. The obvious and inherent danger to such policies is their extension past the gestation period, into full-blown eugenics programs to eliminate those whose "quality of life" has been adjudicated (without their input) to be below some subjective standard established by those who will not suffer the same consequences as those they choose to terminate.
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This is not an objection to the views of religious conservatives that abortion is wrong,  or that homosexuality is sinful.   Those are legitimate positions based on religious faith and texts, and of course the Constitution guarantees religious liberty.   But (some) religious conservatives want to go beyond speaking and advocating for their faith-based beliefs, and enlist the State to enforce them,  often at the price of denying folks their liberty and the law's equal protection.   
No one is denying anyone equal protection under the law. The objection is to the creation of special classes of individuals who have MORE rights than the general population, which gives them unequal protection under the law. You can't create privileged groups under the guise of claiming "equality" for them, either we all have the same rights or we don't.
None of us has the 'right' to murder anyone, regardless of race, creed, color, nation of origin, sexual orientation, or age--unless you're their mommy. None of us has the 'right' to assault anyone, so why are the fines and/or jail time higher if some people are assaulted versus others? You can't tell me a white boy getting jumped by four blacks, being called "white MFer" among other definitely racial epithets wasn't a "hate" crime--but it would never be prosecuted as such because crackas have fewer rights. That isn't "equal protection".

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Religious folks can and should persuade others of the horrors of abortion,  but when they seek to enlist the state to ban the practice, they have crossed the line to advocating coercion.
Religious folks have convinced the population of the horrors of dismembering someone with an axe, and have laws against that. Why is it so difficult to convince people of the horrors of dismembering babies in their mother with surgical implements? Why is it so 'bad' to have a law against that horror, or is it because it has been wrapped in verbiage about "reproductive rights" and "choices" rather than shown for the slaughter it is, now exceeding any other since Roe v Wade known to have been perpetrated against innocents. Even the Chinese could claim that most of those they slaughtered under Mao were "enemies of the State"--these 60,000,000 had no voice whatsoever. If someone were to leave a shredded baby in your mailbox, you'd be horrified. But it's okay if they go in the dumpster behind the clinic. Meh.
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  Similarly,  if religious folks believe homosexuality is sinful, they should not practice it.   But when they insist that the State deny homosexuals the right to marry, or to obtain housing and other goods and services on the same basis as others, they have crossed the line to advocating coercion.
As has been said, the homosexuals will have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as other folks. Just because they choose not to exercise that right does not justify the creation of something else which is a patent mockery of the Sacrament of Matrimony--something which the State has no effing business in anyway. The idea that the State can be used on behalf of homosexuals to compel people who would rather not do business with them, rent to them, or otherwise cater to their whims is a violation of the right of the owner of the business to do business with whom they choose.     There are plenty of people who have no moral or other compunction against providing services to others, for a fee, of course, so compelling a specific vendor to do business with people who live in a way they morally object to is indeed coercion, but by the State on behalf of those who would coerce only for the purpose of compromising the moral imperatives which the vendors have. There is no other reason, and you know it. You would create a protected class, based on abnormal behaviour, and give them special privileges over others. That isn't equal protection under the law, it's the creation of a group with more rights based on their moral perversions.  That's just wrong.
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@Dexter is absolutely correct -  economic conservatism, or more broadly conservatism that acknowledges and protects the individual liberties and consciences of everyone from encroachment by the state,   is a winning message that can and will win elections.   Coercive conservatism, on the other hand,  is different only in emphasis and degree from the coercive collectivism of the typical leftist.   
When government shows signs of protecting the rights of the individual--even if that individual happens to coincide, morally, with the majority of Americans, doing what we ceded it the just authority to do with our consent, then it will be doing what it is supposed to do. When Government claims it is somehow looking out for the rights of individuals by compelling those individuals to comply with arbitrary decisions which strip the individual of their ability to make moral decisions and judgements for themselves, then the government has exceeded its legitimate authority and must be either reined in or changed. The Liberal justices which said it was okay to rip babies from their mother's wombs were in no wise "Conservative", nor were the judges who ruled against bakers or landowners who decided not to provide their services for "weddings" which they felt were morally wrong.

IMHO, it would be Liberating to see people with the moral fiber and intestinal fortitude to run on such issues as the Right to Life and the Right to Refuse Service as fundamental, and a distinct choice to not embrace the policies which have led to contempt for the lives and beliefs of all people. If you want the State to stand between me and my God, it will be catching Hell from both sides.
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I think abortion issue will become an albatross as well, but you're right that currently it's not at that point. You bring up another interesting element with marijuana. What if the party of libertarians embraced this first? Don't let this become a "If you don't vote for Democrats the Republicans will take your weed away." issue. Republicans should be championing this issue rather than letting it become one more notch in the belt of the Democrats.
US Senate from ND:
Heitkamp (D): 42%
Cramer (R): 58%

Measure 3 (to legalize recreational pot):
Yea: 40.55%
Nay: 59.45%

Coinkydink? I think not.
Recreational weed is still a loser. If you want more Republicans to vote, let the Democrat push that.
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US Senate from ND:
Heitkamp (D): 42%
Cramer (R): 58%

Measure 3 (to legalize recreational pot):
Yea: 40.55%
Nay: 59.45%

Coinkydink? I think not.
Recreational weed is still a loser. If you want more Republicans to vote, let the Democrat push that.

Do you think many conservatives would choose not to vote for Republicans over that issue? I guess I assumed that conservatives would still vote for Republicans and that the weed issue might grab some support from the center and even the left if it's done right. I bet almost all of those no votes came from the right.
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Do you think many conservatives would choose not to vote for Republicans over that issue? I guess I assumed that conservatives would still vote for Republicans and that the weed issue might grab some support from the center and even the left if it's done right. I bet almost all of those no votes came from the right.
I think you missed the 60/40 split in both votes. The People who voted against legal pot likely voted for Cramer as well, and even some who did not vote fro Cramer voted against legal pot. That shows the issue is not hard and fast on Party lines--even some who might have voted for the D voted against it. How will that do better at getting votes if the point spread indicates that more were against it than for the Republican? Obviously some Moderates and Dems voted against it too. 

Embracing legal pot will not only NOT get my vote, it would lose it. If you have a 20 point spread, why throw away sure votes to get maybes forom the liberal side of the aisle. IMHO, that is the very problem that needs to be addressed--that since Reagan's Administration, at least, the GOP has been chasing votes from the left and ignoring those on the Right because they have "nowhere else to go". That arrogant conceit is costing the GOP votes as they pursue leftists with leftist policy, morphing the party into something far less than Conservative. It is the precisely wrong course of action, so have the collective balls to stand up for what is Right, and the votes will be there. Failure to do so will only generate a significant lack of enthusiasm, one which will cost elections.
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Do you think many conservatives would choose not to vote for Republicans over that issue? I guess I assumed that conservatives would still vote for Republicans and that the weed issue might grab some support from the center and even the left if it's done right. I bet almost all of those no votes came from the right.

@Dexter, I've gone back and read your posts.  First and foremost, I do believe things are beyond bad.  When we have a party that blatantly disregards election laws and judges rulings and they suffer no repercussions and carry on, we have an enormous problem.  It is an attack on our electoral system and our Republic.  Whether or not they flip FL is yet to be seen; however the point that I was trying to make still remains the corruption by the left at the ballot.  There isn't any denying it, yet they are getting away with it.

One thing I would like to make perfectly clear; not one of our Senators or Representatives stopped the blatant and obvious overreach and corruption of the Bammy administration; including his AG.  We continue to have a corrupt judicial system that is still affecting this country; right now our mid term elections.  No one stopped the left then when we had a full majority in both Houses and no one is stopping them now while we still have a full majority in both Houses.    So I take issue with the thinking that issues can be resolved at the ballot box.  How can we win an election if every election that we win is declared invalid and challenged by the left ... and they ARE winning a lot of those challenges.  I am very serious when I ask, who is going to stop them and where do we go from here?

Another thing I want to point out, is that in no way am I advocating violence. However, the question still remains who is going to stop them and where do we go from here?

The ballot box isn't the answer; obviously due to the tactics that the left now uses. 

Also, consider with the left gaining seats; and some by their own 'appointment', what makes you think that anyone will be able to curtail their push for amnesty and asylum?  DACA is still alive and well and moving forward.  With any of those issues full implemented, there WILL come a time in the very near future when mathematically the demographics of the voters will be so overwhelmingly liberal that it will be next to impossible for a GOP to be seated.

I know you see that I have given up hope.  That isn't my message.  My message is simple; what the GOP and its voting base is doing is NOT working against the corrupt, unethical and immoral liberals.  If you think that preaching to the GOP choir or trying to increase votes from those that have been brought in by the DEMS, is a plausible solution, I strongly feel you are sadly mistaken.  I do not mean any disrespect whatsoever.  I'm being realistic.  Something needs to be done.  What hasn't worked in the past sure as heck isn't working now and definitely won't work in the future.

We have a liberal 'monster machine' that's not going away.  We either conquer it or it conquers us and we continue to lose this country.
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Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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@Dexter, I've gone back and read your posts.  First and foremost, I do believe things are beyond bad.  When we have a party that blatantly disregards election laws and judges rulings and they suffer no repercussions and carry on, we have an enormous problem.  It is an attack on our electoral system and our Republic.  Whether or not they flip FL is yet to be seen; however the point that I was trying to make still remains the corruption by the left at the ballot.  There isn't any denying it, yet they are getting away with it.

One thing I would like to make perfectly clear; not one of our Senators or Representatives stopped the blatant and obvious overreach and corruption of the Bammy administration; including his AG.  We continue to have a corrupt judicial system that is still affecting this country; right now our mid term elections.  No one stopped the left then when we had a full

majority in both Houses and no one is stopping them now while we still have a full majority in both Houses.    So I take issue with the thinking that issues can be resolved at the ballot box.  How can we win an election if every election that we win is declared invalid and challenged by the left ... and they ARE winning a lot of those challenges.  I am very serious when I ask, who is going to stop them and where do we go from here?

Another thing I want to point out, is that in no way am I advocating violence. However, the question still remains who is going to stop them and where do we go from here?

The ballot box isn't the answer; obviously due to the tactics that the left now uses. 

Also, consider with the left gaining seats; and some by their own 'appointment', what makes you think that anyone will be able to curtail their push for amnesty and asylum?  DACA is still alive and well and moving forward.  With any of those issues full implemented, there WILL come a time in the very near future when mathematically the demographics of the voters will be so overwhelmingly liberal that it will be next to impossible for a GOP to be seated.

I know you see that I have given up hope.  That isn't my message.  My message is simple; what the GOP and its voting base is doing is NOT working against the corrupt, unethical and immoral liberals.  If you think that preaching to the GOP choir or trying to increase votes from those that have been brought in by the DEMS, is a plausible solution, I strongly feel you are sadly mistaken.  I do not mean any disrespect whatsoever.  I'm being realistic.  Something needs to be done.  What hasn't worked in the past sure as heck isn't working now and definitely won't work in the future.

We have a liberal 'monster machine' that's not going away.  We either conquer it or it conquers us and we continue to lose this country.


I advocate violence. That is the only recourse.  We are under siege by COMMUNISTS.  This  is what they do to get in power. ViOLENCE. SETH RICH.  NEW BLACK PANTHERS..intimidating people again, in Georgia.  I loathe the  P.C. term, "we are better than that", as it binds our hands and we are destroyed by P.C.ed ideas, to our actual death.  The LEFT..like all crooks, do not abide by our values.  We are shooting ourselves in the foot. "MAKE A SOWARD OUT OF YOUR PLOWS."
WE ARE NOT TO SIT AROUND AND ALLOW THE ENEMY TO SUCCEED.  The constitution was created by basic bible principles. Just the facts, don't care to argue that, much proof.    DO WE SAVE THE CONSTITUTION AND FIGHT FOR IT OR NOT?  Even Tom Jefferson said, from time to time, there has to be bloodshed to refresh the ranks.  All those men who died before us, fighting for the constitution and our land, was for NOTHING?    ****slapping


 


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....SWORD.   

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@Dexter, I've gone back and read your posts.  First and foremost, I do believe things are beyond bad.  When we have a party that blatantly disregards election laws and judges rulings and they suffer no repercussions and carry on, we have an enormous problem.  It is an attack on our electoral system and our Republic.  Whether or not they flip FL is yet to be seen; however the point that I was trying to make still remains the corruption by the left at the ballot.  There isn't any denying it, yet they are getting away with it.

One thing I would like to make perfectly clear; not one of our Senators or Representatives stopped the blatant and obvious overreach and corruption of the Bammy administration; including his AG.  We continue to have a corrupt judicial system that is still affecting this country; right now our mid term elections.  No one stopped the left then when we had a full majority in both Houses and no one is stopping them now while we still have a full majority in both Houses.    So I take issue with the thinking that issues can be resolved at the ballot box.  How can we win an election if every election that we win is declared invalid and challenged by the left ... and they ARE winning a lot of those challenges.  I am very serious when I ask, who is going to stop them and where do we go from here?

Another thing I want to point out, is that in no way am I advocating violence. However, the question still remains who is going to stop them and where do we go from here?

The ballot box isn't the answer; obviously due to the tactics that the left now uses. 

Also, consider with the left gaining seats; and some by their own 'appointment', what makes you think that anyone will be able to curtail their push for amnesty and asylum?  DACA is still alive and well and moving forward.  With any of those issues full implemented, there WILL come a time in the very near future when mathematically the demographics of the voters will be so overwhelmingly liberal that it will be next to impossible for a GOP to be seated.

I know you see that I have given up hope.  That isn't my message.  My message is simple; what the GOP and its voting base is doing is NOT working against the corrupt, unethical and immoral liberals.  If you think that preaching to the GOP choir or trying to increase votes from those that have been brought in by the DEMS, is a plausible solution, I strongly feel you are sadly mistaken.  I do not mean any disrespect whatsoever.  I'm being realistic.  Something needs to be done.  What hasn't worked in the past sure as heck isn't working now and definitely won't work in the future.

We have a liberal 'monster machine' that's not going away.  We either conquer it or it conquers us and we continue to lose this country.



..........clap, clap, clap.   RIGHT ON.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

  "We either conquer it or it conquers us and we continue to lose this country."=LIBERTYBELE

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I think you missed the 60/40 split in both votes. The People who voted against legal pot likely voted for Cramer as well, and even some who did not vote fro Cramer voted against legal pot. That shows the issue is not hard and fast on Party lines--even some who might have voted for the D voted against it. How will that do better at getting votes if the point spread indicates that more were against it than for the Republican? Obviously some Moderates and Dems voted against it too. 

Embracing legal pot will not only NOT get my vote, it would lose it. If you have a 20 point spread, why throw away sure votes to get maybes forom the liberal side of the aisle. IMHO, that is the very problem that needs to be addressed--that since Reagan's Administration, at least, the GOP has been chasing votes from the left and ignoring those on the Right because they have "nowhere else to go". That arrogant conceit is costing the GOP votes as they pursue leftists with leftist policy, morphing the party into something far less than Conservative. It is the precisely wrong course of action, so have the collective balls to stand up for what is Right, and the votes will be there. Failure to do so will only generate a significant lack of enthusiasm, one which will cost elections.



Agree.  Why do do many people want to escape life?  GET DOPED UP?  All are fuzzy brained and laid back, not to care what goes on in the country.
JUST LIKE NASTY, COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT, DEEP STATE,  wants you to be like.  ZONED OUT. They are not smart enough to figure that out.  Most claim weed is not addictive, but many fight to the death to have it!  WAR.