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Offline Dexter

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #175 on: November 09, 2018, 09:46:19 AM »
Naw. This idiocy will stop. And we'll survive it. Because we still have enough self reliance out here to make it happen.

Our government imposes its will with force and if needed, violence. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #176 on: November 09, 2018, 10:07:01 AM »
Our government imposes its will with force and if needed, violence. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

The last place they will ever take is these blue Rockies. Come give it a whirl. We're ready.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #177 on: November 09, 2018, 10:08:05 AM »
The last place they will ever take is these blue Rockies. Come give it a whirl. We're ready.

You won't get enough people to follow you. Most people don't want to die.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #178 on: November 09, 2018, 10:23:59 AM »
The last place they will ever take is these blue Rockies. Come give it a whirl. We're ready.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #179 on: November 09, 2018, 11:10:38 AM »
You won't get enough people to follow you. Most people don't want to die.

You might be surprised. We love our liberty out here in the west, as do our sister states. You might just bite off more than you can chew.

There is no love for the federal government out here.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #180 on: November 09, 2018, 11:15:48 AM »
No... In fact, home-schooled kids invariably get better grades than public school kids do.

Yes, but home school kids tend to be cherry picked from ideal parents.

  I'm all for homeschooling but all the homeschooling parents I know have college degrees and have higher IQ's.  Home school parents (notice I said parents)  tend to be very ambitious and have strict academic and career goals for their kids. My niece is going to homeschool. She has advanced degrees and her hubby, equally intelligent,  pulls in a very nice 3 figure income so she can quit her job. They are very conservative ad most of their friends also high earners and achievers are all homeschooling.

Have you seen what the average family and kid  what America is breeding today? Fat, dumb, drugged out  and lazy. I doubt 5% could homeschool.

The public schools have to take the low IQ kids from low IQ univolved  parents and try to do something with them.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #181 on: November 09, 2018, 11:16:36 AM »
Yes, but home school kids tend to be cherry picked from ideal parents.

  I'm all for homeschooling but all the homeschooling parents I know have college degrees and have higher IQ's.  Home school parents (notice I said parents)  tend to be very ambitious and have strict academic and career goals for their kids. My niece is going to homeschool. She has advanced degrees and her hubby, equally intelligent,  pulled in a very nice 3 figure income so she can quit her job.

Have you seen what the average family and kid  what America is breeding today? Fat, dumb, drugged out  and lazy. I doubt 90% could homeschool.

The public schools have to take the low IQ kids from low IQ univolved  parents and try to do something with them.

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It's all tied to the Government's War on the Nuclear Family.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #182 on: November 09, 2018, 11:21:42 AM »
The public schools have to take the low IQ kids

A lot of those children are quite intelligent and have a lot of potential. Unfortunately some very smart children have very uninvolved parents.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #183 on: November 09, 2018, 11:22:07 AM »
Yes, but home school kids tend to be cherry picked from ideal parents.

  I'm all for homeschooling but all the homeschooling parents I know have college degrees and have higher IQ's.  Home school parents (notice I said parents)  tend to be very ambitious and have strict academic and career goals for their kids. My niece is going to homeschool. She has advanced degrees and her hubby, equally intelligent,  pulled in a very nice 3 figure income so she can quit her job.

Have you seen what the average family and kid  what America is breeding today? Fat, dumb, drugged out  and lazy. I doubt 90% could homeschool.

The public schools have to take the low IQ kids from low IQ univolved  parents and try to do something with them.

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I can see your point, but I disagree. ALL the hillbillies out here home school. They live too far out to go in to school... And all those kids study under solar or lantern light... Yes there are still plenty of houses out here that burn lanterns and heat with wood. And all those hillbilly kids get super good grades too.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #184 on: November 09, 2018, 11:25:34 AM »
It's all tied to the Government's War on the Nuclear Family.

That's right - And the only way to break the chain is to take your kids out of public school.
And I am damn proud of them that do.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #185 on: November 09, 2018, 12:15:14 PM »
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That's not. Providing statistics to the federal government explicitly leaves the feds in charge.
The quality of the student can be readily assessed by the collegiate system and in the general success of the population at large. The state is certainly free to survey and complete its own internal statistics.
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I agree with you, my submittal was in the spirit of @Dexter question of trying to find middle ground to return education to the states.  My proposal would move the needle a helluva lot closer to the federalism side of the equation, allowing fedgov input ONLY when a state demonstrably fails to live up to their OWN self mandated standards.

Also your notion of college system assessment inherently accepts the potential for an entire generation within that state to be under educated.  I think there do need to be statewide benchmarks along the way...again all mandated within the STATES educational system
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #186 on: November 09, 2018, 12:33:09 PM »
@roamer_1
I agree with you, my submittal was in the spirit of @Dexter question of trying to find middle ground to return education to the states.  My proposal would move the needle a helluva lot closer to the federalism side of the equation, allowing fedgov input ONLY when a state demonstrably fails to live up to their OWN self mandated standards.

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Yes, I see.

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Also your notion of college system assessment inherently accepts the potential for an entire generation within that state to be under educated.  I think there do need to be statewide benchmarks along the way...again all mandated within the STATES educational system

I mean that the inherent process for attaining to the collegiate system includes aptitude testing... And I did mention internal state surveys...


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