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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #100 on: November 08, 2018, 09:04:39 PM »
Our public education isn't great, but I don't think scrapping it is the solution.

You could trim 90% of the budget for the school district administration and not miss a beat.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2018, 09:05:23 PM »
I can't say it any better than it was said by an old white man who left this world a LONG time ago now.

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2018, 09:15:02 PM »
Our public education isn't great, but I don't think scrapping it is the solution.

Scrapping it?
No.
As with most things in life, introduce some competition and the quality will improve.
Allow students in low performing schools to take that same amount of government dollars spent and apply those into a private school, and see what happens.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2018, 09:32:52 PM »
Scrapping it?
No.
As with most things in life, introduce some competition and the quality will improve.
Allow students in low performing schools to take that same amount of government dollars spent and apply those into a private school, and see what happens.

You already know what happens...

The teachers union goes on the warpath and politicians who want their union money cave into them... Over and over...

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #104 on: November 08, 2018, 09:48:52 PM »
Home schooling well requires one parent to not work usually, and they also need to be good at actually educating; not everybody can do that. A lot of households have two working parents and a lot of parents are not qualified to teach. If you got rid of public education illiteracy rates in this country would skyrocket.

@Dexter

Bass ackwards.
Out in the sticks, away from city ways, Women GET to stay home.
Children are still routinely home-schooled, and where the parents and grandparents might be unqualified, folks cooperate. Normally home-schooled kids spend far less time studying, and get far better grades.

And considering the high illiteracy rates and drop-out rates coming out of the public school system, I would say you are exactly wrong - That literacy and education rates would increase the closer you got to county/city/home controlled education.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2018, 09:57:10 PM »
Expensive, inefficient, and often incompetent public schools aren't exactly producing a literacy rate to be proud of, or kids that even want to be literate.

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That's right.
STUNNINGLY poor education rates. I can't imagine anyone defending the public school system.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2018, 09:58:52 PM »
Our public education isn't great, but I don't think scrapping it is the solution.

I sure do. There are myriad solutions that are already proven to work better and cost far less.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2018, 09:59:41 PM »
What they get in Public schools these day is NOT an education! It's an indoctrination!

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2018, 10:17:47 PM »
The first public high school in the US was in 1821.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #109 on: November 08, 2018, 10:31:23 PM »
Folks don't get that they can be independent of the system...
And that as a rule, life is much better without it.

It is like garden fresh vs. store bought. Without having experienced garden fresh, they just have no idea how much better it is.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2018, 10:33:37 PM »
Self-Reliance.
It's an American thing.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2018, 10:33:48 PM »
Home schooling well requires one parent to not work usually, and they also need to be good at actually educating; not everybody can do that. A lot of households have two working parents and a lot of parents are not qualified to teach. If you got rid of public education illiteracy rates in this country would skyrocket.

Not so, @Dexter, the literacy rate in the 13 Colonies was close to 100%.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2018, 11:15:30 PM »
Not so, @Dexter, the literacy rate in the 13 Colonies was close to 100%.

The world is a lot different now. You can't realistically make that comparison.



Is there nobody else in this thread that at least agrees that literacy rates in this country would go down if we removed public education? You wouldn't be able to mandate that children are educated without a public option. A lot of crappy parents would not take an interest in the education of their children. Children should not be punished for that and have their entire lives ruined by the fact that they missed vital opportunities.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #113 on: November 08, 2018, 11:22:58 PM »
(Sees title) - IDEALLY, NONE

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2018, 12:48:08 AM »
The world is a lot different now. You can't realistically make that comparison.



Is there nobody else in this thread that at least agrees that literacy rates in this country would go down if we removed public education? You wouldn't be able to mandate that children are educated without a public option. A lot of crappy parents would not take an interest in the education of their children. Children should not be punished for that and have their entire lives ruined by the fact that they missed vital opportunities.

So you are good with coercion and indoctrination. Got it.

Not me.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #115 on: November 09, 2018, 12:59:05 AM »
So you are good with coercion and indoctrination. Got it.

Not me.

What specifically do you think teachers are doing to indoctrinate children? They learn a lot. Our education system may not be the best in the world but people are definitely learning.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #116 on: November 09, 2018, 01:08:27 AM »
What specifically do you think teachers are doing to indoctrinate children? They learn a lot. Our education system may not be the best in the world but people are definitely learning.

You are kidding, right?

Do you think it just a coincidence that teachers are overwhelmingly liberal? Why do you think that is?

And they aren't learning anything. Go read an 8th grade primer from the late 1800's, which college age kids can't get through nowadays.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #117 on: November 09, 2018, 01:11:51 AM »
Do you think it just a coincidence that teachers are overwhelmingly liberal? Why do you think that is?

You think 12 year olds are being taught liberal politics?
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #118 on: November 09, 2018, 01:13:42 AM »
You think 12 year olds are being taught liberal politics?


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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #119 on: November 09, 2018, 01:15:09 AM »
You think 12 year olds are being taught liberal politics?

My ten year old is. Has been for years by a random assortment of teachers here and there in the school and I live in a highly Conservative area. Luckily I have her being intellectual on these matters and not taking them as truth. Other kids probably don't have parents who are on top of this stuff though.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #120 on: November 09, 2018, 01:20:03 AM »
My ten year old is. Has been for years by a random assortment of teachers here and there in the school and I live in a highly Conservative area. Luckily I have her being intellectual on these matters and not taking them as truth. Other kids probably don't have parents who are on top of this stuff though.

What is your ten year old being taught?
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #121 on: November 09, 2018, 01:23:21 AM »
What is your ten year old being taught?

Distribution of wealth. Anti gun policies. Anti Trump memes. Free health care memes.
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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #122 on: November 09, 2018, 01:25:10 AM »
Distribution of wealth. Anti gun policies. Anti Trump memes. Free health care memes.

Did your kids get force fed this book in kindergarten....



Never saw such an obvious attempt to indoctrinate kids with Communism.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #123 on: November 09, 2018, 01:29:07 AM »
You think 12 year olds are being taught liberal politics?

Overwhelmingly yes. Not only politics. They are being taught to be compliant and dependent. They are being taught to emote rather than analyze. They are being taught against what their parents tell them.
They don't know history.
They don't know government.
They don't know basic capitalism.

As an employer, I can testify that they are woefully unfit to be hired, not being able to manage basic math in their heads. No convictions, No principles. Not even a basic sense of right and wrong.


No sale.

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Re: How much of your money should the government take?
« Reply #124 on: November 09, 2018, 01:30:05 AM »
Did your kids get force fed this book in kindergarten....



Never saw such an obvious attempt to indoctrinate kids with Communism.

I don't think so but when you read the questions for the common core math the books are loaded with Heather has three mommies and a trans uncle type shit.
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