Who was Guy Fawkes, the man behind the mask?

[rangerrebew]

Who was Guy Fawkes, the man behind the mask?

A popular symbol of protest today, Guy Fawkes was first the face of treason because of his role in the murderous plot to blow up the British parliament in 1605.
By James Sharpe

PUBLISHED November 3, 2018

Tensions were high in England in late October 1605, when an English nobleman, Lord Monteagle, received a mysterious letter. Along with the rest of England’s peers and the king, Monteagle intended to attend the opening of Parliament a few days later, on November 5.

The unsigned letter got straight to the point: “My lord, out of the love I bear to some of your friends, I have a care of your preservation, therefore I would advise you as you tender your life to devise some excuse to shift of your attendance at this parliament . . . for though there be no appearance of any stir, yet I say they shall receive a terrible blow.”

The mysterious sender then urged Monteagle to burn the letter after having read its contents. Monteagle—a Catholic—did no such thing. Saving himself from the gruesome punishment that would soon engulf certain of his co-religionists, he forwarded the missive to Robert Cecil, chief minister of King James I. Many English Protestants suspected that members of the Catholic minority were plotting to topple the monarchy and impose a Catholic regime with foreign funding and aid, and this message seemed to confirm their suspicions.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2017/11-12/history-the-explosive-truth-about-guy-fawkes/

[Cyber Liberty]

Link:  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2017/11-12/history-the-explosive-truth-about-guy-fawkes/

This one was difficult to find, there are scores of articles about guy Fawkes.

[Cyber Liberty]

I have to laugh at the left-wingers who think it's cool to wear a Fawkes mask.  Do these morons realize they are protesting in favor of a man who wanted England to become a Catholic theocracy?

[bigheadfred]

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[Absalom]

I have to laugh at the left-wingers who think it's cool to wear a Fawkes mask.  Do these morons realize they are protesting in favor of a man who wanted England to become a Catholic theocracy?

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A reflection from reality.
Britain had been a Roman Province since Julius Caesar.
Around 300 AD, Emperor Constantine decreed tolerance
for Catholicism across the Empire via the Edict of Milan.
From then until Henry Tudor, VIII, the English, Scots
and Welsh were Roman Catholic, a span of 12 centuries.
In 1608 Britain had been Anglican for some 50 years and
then only among the ruling class as the peasantry
remained Catholic.There was no theocracy before or after.
Rome, the Vatican, took the side of the Spanish Crown in
its dispute w/Henry; the root cause of the English Reformation.

[Cyber Liberty]

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A reflection from reality.
Britain had been a Roman Province since Julius Caesar.
Around 300 AD, Emperor Constantine decreed tolerance
for Catholicism across the Empire via the Edict of Milan.
From then until Henry Tudor, VIII, the English, Scots
and Welsh were Roman Catholic, a span of 12 centuries.
In 1608 Britain had been Anglican for some 50 years and
then only among the ruling class as the peasantry
remained Catholic.There was no theocracy before or after.
Rome, the Vatican, took the side of the Spanish Crown in
its dispute w/Henry; the root cause of the English Reformation.theolo

It's easy to brush aside the fact that Fawkes wanted to kill off the entire English Government to enable a RCC theocracy.  Just declare that wasn't his goal.  Presto!

[truth_seeker]

Then not too long after they beheaded Charles I, took leadership by protestant'"Lord Protector"

Oliver Cromwell's near theocracy, had enough of that, and installed King Charles II.


The Founders had those and other experiments in mind, when establishing our form of government.

[Cyber Liberty]

Then not too long after they beheaded Charles I, took leadership by protestant'"Lord Protector"

Oliver Cromwell's near theocracy, had enough of that, and installed King Charles II.


The Founders had those and other experiments in mind, when establishing our form of government.

Totally agree there.  Since before the Founding, the Fathers had a plethora of political examples from which to choose.  They'd been studying what we now call "civics."  France, a few years later, had the same set of examples, and chose a different model based on the idea, "First we settle all the scores, then we'll operate the country."

[Absalom]

It's easy to brush aside the fact that Fawkes wanted to kill off the entire English Government to enable a RCC theocracy.  Just declare that wasn't his goal.  Presto!

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Respectfully, can you please get real for a moment?
Theocracy is a form of rule whereby the members (Priests)
of an institution (Church) exercise all authority and power.
It never existed in Europe under the Catholic Church. Never!
It did exist in the Ottoman Empire to a large degree and in
present Iran via the Mullahs.

[Cyber Liberty]

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Respectfully, can you please get real for a moment?

Nope.  I've seen you spend/waste hours and pages arguing over the definitions of words, and my life is just too busy for that sort of nonsense.  Go figure out for yourself how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and leave me out of it.

[thackney]

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Respectfully, can you please get real for a moment?
Theocracy is a form of rule whereby the members (Priests)
of an institution (Church) exercise all authority and power.
It never existed in Europe under the Catholic Church. Never!
It did exist in the Ottoman Empire to a large degree and in
present Iran via the Mullahs.

 Vatican City State is not in Europe?

[Absalom]

Vatican City State is not in Europe?

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The Vatican is in Rome.
And so ???

[Cyber Liberty]

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The Vatican is in Rome.
And???

Therefore, there has been a theocracy in Europe for centuries, contrary to your assertion.  If I were a person of no humor, I'd suggest you lied.

[thackney]

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The Vatican is in Rome.
And so ???

The Vatican is an actual governmental body, not part of Italy.  It is a country, or city-state.

[Absalom]

Therefore, there has been a theocracy in Europe for centuries, contrary to your assertion.  If I were a person of no humor, I'd suggest you lied.

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Respectfully; let me be gracious here; you're embarrassingly uninformed.
In the Gospels, the Lord asserted that we "Render to Caesar what was
his and to the Almighty what was his!"
This precept summarizes the clear distinction separating religious and
secular authority among Roman Catholicism, secular government and
culture/society for 2000 years!!!
The nation/states of Europe, be they Spain, France, Britain, Sweden,
Austria and all the rest were led by Catholic Monarchs from their first days.
Further their Ministers as well as their populations, were Roman Catholic.
Neither Monarch, Minister nor Peasant existed in a theocratic environment
where the final source of all authority was the Church of Rome!
Not for a day!!!!!

[thackney]

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Respectfully; let me be gracious here; you're embarrassingly uninformed.
In the Gospels, the Lord asserted that we "Render to Caesar what was
his and to the Almighty what was his!"
This precept summarizes the clear distinction separating religious and
secular authority among Roman Catholicism, secular government and
culture/society for 2000 years!!!
The nation/states of Europe, be they Spain, France, Britain, Sweden,
Austria and all the rest were led by Catholic Monarchs from their first days.
Further their Ministers as well as their populations, were Roman Catholic.
Neither Monarch, Minister nor Peasant existed in a theocratic environment
where the final source of all authority was the Church of Rome!
Not for a day!!!!!

And the city-state of the Vatican?

[Cyber Liberty]

And the city-state of the Vatican?

I guess we lied. I grow weary quickly with this fellow because he loves to take discussions into the weeds of minutia when he's losing. He's doing it right here.

[bigheadfred]

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Respectfully; let me be gracious here; you're embarrassingly uninformed.
In the Gospels, the Lord asserted that we "Render to Caesar what was
his and to the Almighty what was his!"
This precept summarizes the clear distinction separating religious and
secular authority among Roman Catholicism, secular government and
culture/society for 2000 years!!!
The nation/states of Europe, be they Spain, France, Britain, Sweden,
Austria and all the rest were led by Catholic Monarchs from their first days.
Further their Ministers as well as their populations, were Roman Catholic.
Neither Monarch, Minister nor Peasant existed in a theocratic environment
where the final source of all authority was the Church of Rome!
Not for a day!!!!!

I'll show you some grace.

BULL F*CKING SHIT 

@thackney @Cyber Liberty

[Cyber Liberty]

I'll show you some grace.

BULL F*CKING SHIT 

@thackney @Cyber Liberty

That's a big 10-4 boss.

[Absalom]

Congrats to the clown posse, w/ Big Head Freddy bringing up your
rear w/his insightful comments.
It's astounding how intellect always wins arguments in the end??? 

[bigheadfred]

Congrats clown posse, w/ Big Head Freddy bringing up your rear.
Ain't it amazing how intellect always wins arguments in the end???

http://youtu.be/idn50Xj_CiY

[bigheadfred]

Congrats clown posse, w/ Big Head Freddy bringing up your rear.
Ain't it amazing how intellect always wins arguments in the end???

Isn't it amazing how intelligence is actually the subject?

[thackney]

Congrats to the clown posse, w/ Big Head Freddy bringing up your
rear w/his insightful comments.
It's astounding how intellect always wins arguments in the end???

Is it your claim that the city-state Vatican is not a theocracy, or that it is not in Europe?

[Cyber Liberty]

Is it your claim that the city-state Vatican is not a theocracy, or that it is not in Europe?

I wonder if anybody told the victims of these guys there was never a Theocracy in Europe.  Maybe reading the definition of "theocracy" from the dictionary would have made them feel better when they were being broken on the Wheel?

[Frank Cannon]

Who was Guy Fawkes, the man behind the mask?

Who the Fawkes cares.