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Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2018, 10:05:20 am »
Let the market decide. <Don't do that>. Cruz was better on this issue than Trump no doubt.

But now we have Democrats who will completely scrap the capitalist system if given the chance. No need to forget that fact.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2018, 02:06:31 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 11, 2018, 10:05:20 am
Let the market decide. <Don't do that>. Cruz was better on this issue than Trump no doubt.

But now we have Democrats who will completely scrap the capitalist system if given the chance. No need to forget that fact.
Oh, I haven't forgotten--and all in the name of a process that will go down as one of the greatest scientific black eyes since Piltdown Man.

But that's no reason to join them in their pursuit of government controls, and 15% ethanol will eff up every engine I have. Thankfully, for a mere 60 cents more a gallon, I can get enough non ethanol fuel to blend in and reduce the ethanol content back to less than 10%.  (So why is it more expensive to get fuel without ethanol, when ethanol blending and shipment are so damned expensive to begin with. Charging more to NOT put that garbage in the fuel seems counterintuitive (a fancy word for bassackwards).
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2018, 02:19:37 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 11, 2018, 02:06:31 pm
Oh, I haven't forgotten--and all in the name of a process that will go down as one of the greatest scientific black eyes since Piltdown Man.

But that's no reason to join them in their pursuit of government controls, and 15% ethanol will eff up every engine I have. Thankfully, for a mere 60 cents more a gallon, I can get enough non ethanol fuel to blend in and reduce the ethanol content back to less than 10%.  (So why is it more expensive to get fuel without ethanol, when ethanol blending and shipment are so damned expensive to begin with. Charging more to NOT put that garbage in the fuel seems counterintuitive (a fancy word for bassackwards).

Bassackwards on so many fronts it's hard to know where to start but this is the biggie for me. 

If ALL inputs are considered, it takes 1.4 units of energy to produce 1 unit of energy from corn ethanol!
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2018, 02:22:39 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on October 10, 2018, 12:43:52 pm
President Trump will likely find himself in court over his Tuesday night decision to allow 15-percent ethanol fuel be sold year-round across the nation, according to the refinery industry's top lobbyist.

Very bad Mr President. 15% will kill all my small engines. You will be hearing from me on this issue.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2018, 03:02:21 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 11, 2018, 09:10:31 am
Never forget this.  Never forget.

I hadn't.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2018, 02:16:56 am »
Quote from: Bigun on October 11, 2018, 02:19:37 pm
Bassackwards on so many fronts it's hard to know where to start but this is the biggie for me. 

If ALL inputs are considered, it takes 1.4 units of energy to produce 1 unit of energy from corn ethanol!

But . . . but we'll make it up in volume.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2018, 03:56:57 am »
I think I may have an extra '70 Pontiac 350 engine around here somewhere.  Think I'll drop it in my 2008 Ford and start buying leaded gas from the supplier around the corner.  Strictly for racing of course.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2018, 03:59:34 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on October 12, 2018, 03:56:57 am
I think I may have an extra '70 Pontiac 350 engine around here somewhere.  Think I'll drop it in my 2008 Ford and start buying leaded gas from the supplier around the corner.  Strictly for racing of course.

Lead pipes for water. Lead gas for burning. This explains a lot about your mental stability. You decorate your birthday cakes with mercury too?
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2018, 04:11:13 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on October 12, 2018, 03:59:34 am
Lead pipes for water. Lead gas for burning. This explains a lot about your mental stability. You decorate your birthday cakes with mercury too?

Sure, I make the candles with mercury to get a pretty red glow when they're lit.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2018, 04:12:57 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on October 12, 2018, 04:11:13 am
Sure, I make the candles with mercury to get a pretty red glow when they're lit.

I didn't know mercury burns. Upon reflection I am glad I don't know that.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2018, 04:16:16 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on October 12, 2018, 04:12:57 am
I didn't know mercury burns. Upon reflection I am glad I don't know that.

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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2018, 04:26:20 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on October 12, 2018, 04:16:16 am
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I don't know if my Google Southern Translator is on the fritz but the word "glow" up our way where we speak English doesn't mean an explosion.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2018, 04:34:57 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on October 12, 2018, 04:26:20 am
I don't know if my Google Southern Translator is on the fritz but the word "glow" up our way where we speak English doesn't mean an explosion.

You just gotta know how to mix it right.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2018, 04:40:41 am »
Quote from: RoosGirl on October 12, 2018, 04:34:57 am
You just gotta know how to mix it right.

What's that? 1 part Hg to 5 gallons jet fuel?
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2018, 04:43:04 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on October 12, 2018, 04:40:41 am
What's that? 1 part Hg to 5 gallons jet fuel?

Gotta have something to slow down the mercury explosion, and you know how hard it is to get jet fuel to burn.
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Re: Oil refiners threaten to sue Trump over ethanol
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2018, 04:46:07 pm »
Nothing is hotter than a chick talking chemistry.  Any comments on the Arrhenius equation will put me over the edge here.
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