In The Throes Of A REAL Coup...

[Emjay]

    Don't be modest @Emjay tell him what you really think!!!  /s

Hah @corbe  Well, I was ticked off at him <NOPE> so I guess I've succeeded in making another enemy.  Oh, well.  I guess I'll live.

[Sanguine]

I follow this axiom:

"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" - Amos 3:3

@INVAR, how about this axiom:

Quote from: INVAR on Today at 12:55:45 PM

    That comes AFTER repentance dear.  Not before.

    And even still, the CONSEQUENCES for breaking trust is not automatically regained without works befitting earning that trust.

    I got nothing but a lecture and not a thing said or suggested that would give me any cause to believe they do not hate my beliefs, principles, foundations and guts any less than the Marxist Left does.

@INVAR, Really dear?  Where does it say repentance first?

Quote

    21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

    22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

[Bigun]

I follow this axiom:

"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" - Amos 3:3

When it comes to war - and there can be no doubt that we are in one - I follow this one: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend!"

[INVAR]

@INVAR, Really dear?  Where does it say repentance first?

Well then fine.  Don't require it.  Forgive Sin without repentance so that grace may abound.

You know, politically if that is truly your understanding,  you should be forgiving the Marxist Left right now in advance of whatever it is they do that upsets you, and go along with them in unity with what they intend to do so you can be seen among men as being 'forgiving'.

[Sanguine]

Well then fine.  Don't require it.  Forgive Sin without repentance so that grace may abound.

You know, politically if that is truly your understanding,  you should be forgiving the Marxist Left right now in advance of whatever it is they do that upsets you, and go along with them in unity with what they intend to do so you can be seen among men as being 'forgiving'.

You know that won't fly.  I was merely quoting Jesus.  You may disagree with Him as you like. 

[XenaLee]

Well then fine.  Don't require it.  Forgive Sin without repentance so that grace may abound.

You know, politically if that is truly your understanding, you should be forgiving the Marxist Left right now in advance of whatever it is they do that upsets you, and go along with them in unity with what they intend to do so you can be seen among men as being 'forgiving'.

Hell no.  No forgiveness for leftists in MY logic book.   

I discern that the leftists are enemies of God and therefore, are my enemies.  What good is the gift of discernment if you don't use it...

to discern....lol.

 

[INVAR]

You know that won't fly.  I was merely quoting Jesus.  You may disagree with Him as you like.

Really?  So - when Peter answered the men of Jerusalem on Pentecost about what they should do - the first requirement should be ignored then, yes?

[skeeter]

What good is the gift of discernment if you don't use it...

to discern....lol.

Apropos. And very good advise.

[INVAR]

Hell no.  No forgiveness for leftists in MY logic book.   

I discern that the leftists are enemies of God and therefore, are my enemies.  What good is the gift of discernment if you don't use it...

to discern....lol.

 

When one constantly 'forgives' bad behavior without requiring repentance and efforts to STOP the behavior - all one is doing with constant forgiveness is CONDONING bad behavior and teaching them that there are no consequences for it.

Which may go a ways towards explaining why the Left continues to get worse.

[Sanguine]

Really?  So - when Peter answered the men of Jerusalem on Pentecost about what they should do - the first requirement should be ignored then, yes?

Pretty weak deflection, but however you want to spin it, Invar.   

[truth_seeker]

So anyone on the right who is NeverTrump...be that a principled disagreement on policy or a simple loathing of the man's personality...it is time to understand that this coup is not aimed at President Trump. It is aimed at you and I...at all of us that are fighting for a Republic NOT ruled by bureaucrats, educational 1984-ism, and yellow journalism.

Right now, Trump is the ONLY real weapon we have in this fight...there are others who oppose the Triad of course...but ONLY Trump is positioned to genuinely fight and win this struggle. For god's sake and our own, stop fighting him and start fighting the metastatic monstrosity that is controlling this nation's core...a Triad of power that is a cancer destroying our vitality, unity and function.

Everyone here knows that INVAR and I do not like each other. We disagree at a visceral level and at times it can be bitter and harsh. But let me say right now, if people like myself and INVAR cannot find a way to fight together against this Triad that is assaulting the Presidency and all things conservative...the Left will win this fight.

We are all the new Sons of Liberty, and we must emulate their resolve and cooperation to resist.

Hallelujah. At least one more, cranial extraction.

[Mesaclone]

I follow this axiom:

"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" - Amos 3:3

If the answer to the query in Amos 3:3 is "no"...than this planet has 6 billion+ people who must always walk alone, apart from each other. No two people will ever agree in all things...which is the ad absurdam extremum of such an axiom.

Again, you use god and the bible as tools for exclusion, condemnation and narcissism...I think the message of the bible, and of Jesus...is otherwise. Under your interpretation, which you certainly have a right to no matter how misguided, how would conservatives EVER be able to work together politically to oppose Leftist Totalitarianism? You seem to be advocating that we just sit back and hope God ties our shoelaces and fixes our boo-boos...I guess I believe god helps those who help themselves.

Everyone here, I believe, wants to stop this tide of Leftist Totalitarianism...you seem to be saying that we cannot work together to fight such a thing, because those of us who support Trump are unworthy of your alliance. Is this correct?

[XenaLee]

When one constantly 'forgives' bad behavior without requiring repentance and efforts to STOP the behavior - all one is doing with constant forgiveness is CONDONING bad behavior and teaching them that there are no consequences for it.

Which may go a ways towards explaining why the Left continues to get worse.

You're gonna force me to post it again, aren't you.   

Jesus forgives sin, but that is based on the 'not sinning' again.  The left is constantly rewarded for their bad behavior by other leftists, by the leftist media and by ignorant people that misunderstand the Bible and Jesus's teachings.   Some love to cherry pick certain things Jesus said to make their case for that blanket forgiveness.... but the bottom line is.... Jesus said "Go and sin no more".  I don't see how that can be misconstrued or misunderstood, even if taken out of context.

And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

John 8:11

https://www.bible.com/bible/1/JHN.8.11.kjv

[aligncare]

First, congratulations on a very well written and focused essay @Mesaclone   It is truly impressive.   

I cringed a little at one quote --- because not only is it incorrect, it's part of the defining blurb on who this President is.  I want you, and all others are welcome too, to recognize that Donald J. Trump understood exactly what was going on in Washington -- and there is nothing accidental about Trump fighting these bastards head on.  It is not happenstance.  It is his plan.

So, I take a little exception to this:

This one speech explains why this "pampered Bull Elephant" ran for the office and should convince you that he did so with both eyes open.  And this is why we elected him. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ

People I trust who have first hand knowledge of Donald Trump, describe a very different man than the media caricature; they describe a man who is intelligent, hard-working, reads everything he gets his hands on, who in person has a gracious and kind personality and is the furthest thing from racist (fought his Florida town to integrate his golf club) or xenophobic (two marriages were with foreign women) or anti Semitic (his daughter converted to Judaism), and on and on. Fact is, the Left and NeverTrumpers have had Donald Trump wrong all along.

For his presidential accomplishments and for his impact on modern politics, Donald Trump will go down in history as a significant presidential figure.

[Emjay]

If the answer to the query in Amos 3:3 is "no"...than this planet has 6 billion+ people who must always walk alone, apart from each other. No two people will ever agree in all things...which is the ad absurdam extremum of such an axiom.

Again, you use god and the bible as tools for exclusion, condemnation and narcissism...I think the message of the bible, and of Jesus...is otherwise. Under your interpretation, which you certainly have a right to no matter how misguided, how would conservatives EVER be able to work together politically to oppose Leftist Totalitarianism? You seem to be advocating that we just sit back and hope God ties our shoelaces and fixes our boo-boos...I guess I believe god helps those who help themselves.

Everyone here, I believe, wants to stop this tide of Leftist Totalitarianism...you seem to be saying that we cannot work together to fight such a thing, because those of us who support Trump are unworthy of your alliance. Is this correct?

Thanks @Mesaclone   Apparently I was a little brusque in my criticism of @INVAR attitude and  thank you for putting what I was trying to say more elegantly.

I do not believe we can afford to be selfish in this fight because we have a grudge against our current leader.

But that is exactly what some people here are doing.  They've had a glimpse of the real enemy and the lengths to which that enemy will go, but they still won't get on the right side.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And I have heard the "Trump right" advocating the same exact thing in their own way and manner.   Both do so in the name of 'preservation' and 'freedom'.

I'm going to echo a point made by @Mesaclone , and say that I believe you have a tendency to take the worst things that are said by the most fervent of the Trump supporters, and generalize those things to anyone who voted for him.  If you always assume the worst about people, that is inevitably what you are going to see and find.

There are differences, but looking at the extremes isn't really a fair way to gauge them.

I have a strong feeling that if things ever went all the way downhill, and we ended up in violence, we'd be fighting on the same side.  I'd just hope that at some point before that's the last bit of common ground left, there could be at least some issue where we fight a common enemy.

[Emjay]

I'm going to echo a point made by @Mesaclone , and say that I believe you have a tendency to take the worst things that are said by the most fervent of the Trump supporters, and generalize those things to anyone who voted for him.  If you always assume the worst about people, that is inevitably what you are going to see and find.

There are differences, but looking at the extremes isn't really a fair way to gauge them.

I have a strong feeling that if things ever went all the way downhill, and we ended up in violence, we'd be fighting on the same side.  I'd just hope that at some point before that's the last bit of common ground left, there could be at least some issue where we fight a common enemy.

I explained to @INVAR earlier that for all the fervent 'Trump can do no wrong' people here and there are only a very few, there are a whole bunch of people who support Trump because we think he's doing a very good job under really trying circumstances.  Not sure he listened.

[INVAR]

Everyone here, I believe, wants to stop this tide of Leftist Totalitarianism...you seem to be saying that we cannot work together to fight such a thing, because those of us who support Trump are unworthy of your alliance. Is this correct?

Why would I allow myself to be in alliance with a bunch who have declared me to be an 'enemy' and who hate and hold my beliefs in the same contempt the the radical secular Left does?

[INVAR]

Jesus forgives sin, but that is based on the 'not sinning' again.  The left is constantly rewarded for their bad behavior by other leftists, by the leftist media and by ignorant people that misunderstand the Bible and Jesus's teachings.   Some love to cherry pick certain things Jesus said to make their case for that blanket forgiveness.... but the bottom line is.... Jesus said "Go and sin no more".  I don't see how that can be misconstrued or misunderstood, even if taken out of context.

AMEN!!!!

[Bigun]

Why would I allow myself to be in alliance with a bunch who have declared me to be an 'enemy' and who hate and hold my beliefs in the same contempt the the radical secular Left does?

@INVAR

I have no idea who has done that here but I can guarantee you I haven't! Not once!  Our Republic is under assault from within and Donald J. Trump IS the president trying to stop the assault.  I'm going to do what I can to help him!

[Jazzhead]

Why would I allow myself to be in alliance with a bunch who have declared me to be an 'enemy' and who hate and hold my beliefs in the same contempt the the radical secular Left does?

My goodness, what a delicate teacup you are!   

Folks don't hate you, INVAR, but neither do they give a shit about you and your peculiar demons.   I'll say this - your self-absorption is astonishing.   May patriots act while you sulk.   

[Sanguine]

You're gonna force me to post it again, aren't you.   

Jesus forgives sin, but that is based on the 'not sinning' again.  The left is constantly rewarded for their bad behavior by other leftists, by the leftist media and by ignorant people that misunderstand the Bible and Jesus's teachings.   Some love to cherry pick certain things Jesus said to make their case for that blanket forgiveness.... but the bottom line is.... Jesus said "Go and sin no more".  I don't see how that can be misconstrued or misunderstood, even if taken out of context.

Yes, and I agree with that...mostly.  What Jesus was talking about in the verse that @INVAR was using, is that you forgive your family and neighbors, even when they don't seem to deserve it.  That you have more forgiveness towards them than you really want to.

[XenaLee]

@INVAR

I have no idea who has done that here but I can guarantee you I haven't! Not once!  Our Republic is under assault from within and Donald J. Trump IS the president trying to stop the assault.  I'm going to do what I can to help him!

Ditto!   

[XenaLee]

Yes, and I agree with that...mostly.  What Jesus was talking about in the verse that @INVAR was using, is that you forgive your family and neighbors, even when they don't seem to deserve it.  That you have more forgiveness towards them than you really want to.

And I do and I have.... much to my chagrin later on.....lolol.  It's all good tho.  Every time you forgive someone that has wronged you in some way, you are blessed for it.   

[roamer_1]

As everyone knows I am no Trump fan.  However, what is now happening on an almost daily basis with increasing outrageousness is our witness to the very real attempts being made to completely circumvent and counter the Executive.

If nothing is done about this - I agree with the comments - we are OFFICIALLY a Banana Republic and the rule of law is truly dead. 

Every man for themselves.

@INVAR

FWIW, I don't think the document is real. The conclusion of the letter wants information delivered to 'the Gang of Eight'... That is not how that would happen. The information would be requested by a committee or sub-committee, and delivered likewise, as 'the Gang of Eight' is nothing but a construct. Thus I believe the use of 'the Gang of  Eight' in the letter to be nothing but a dog-whistle, poorly applied...