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GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« on: September 14, 2018, 04:59:59 pm »
GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare

They claim to have more important things to do.


September 14, 2018
 
Matthew Vadum

 
Republican lawmakers have made it clear they have no intention of repealing Obamacare in the current Congress.

Republicans in the nation’s top lawmaking body have never really wanted to get rid of Obamacare. They would prefer to present the program, which David Horowitz correctly describes as “the greatest assault on individual freedom and individual choice in our lifetimes,” as a villain and whip up sentiment against it and run against it every election. They view Obamacare as good for the business of politics. They may chip away at it from time to time or tinker with it at the margins, but make no mistake: these creatures of Washington want to keep it in place. This is the Republicans’ dirty secret.

Republicans have been promising to rip Obamacare out root and branch ever since it was enacted. They ramped up their rhetoric after the allegedly conservative-dominated Supreme Court declared the blatantly unconstitutional Obamacare law constitutional in the incoherent NFIB v. Sebelius ruling of 2012. Americans responded to this government takeover of a huge chunk of the economy by electing GOP-controlled congresses in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016, and by electing Donald Trump as president.

Unintimidated by the Left and sneering hack journalists, Trump began the push to bury the misnamed Affordable Care Act and as a result the individual mandate will die at the end of this year. But the bulk of the statute and related rules such as the economically suicidal pre-existing medical conditions mandate remain in place, complete with federal insurance-purchasing subsidies for people who don’t need the help, as well as the sclerotic administrative apparatus, and the odious rule that prevents health insurers from competing across state lines.

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2018, 05:46:57 pm »
That's okay.

I have given up on the Republican Party, and a whole bunch of Conservatives have too.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2018, 05:47:42 pm »
 The Republicans are doing with Obama care what the Democrats will do with Medicare for all.   It’s hugely unlikely that Medicare for all is going to ever exist in this country. But it gives Democrats an issue to feed their voting base  at election time
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2018, 05:52:40 pm »
The Republicans are doing with Obama care what the Democrats will do with Medicare for all.   It’s hugely unlikely that Medicare for all is going to ever exist in this country. But it gives Democrats an issue to feed their voting base  at election time

They'll just name it something else. We are on a fast, leftward track and Republicans don't seem to care to stop it or stand for free market, limited government ideals any more. They have become a populist party, not a Conservative party. The Democrats have gone full Socialist (or Fascist depending on the details of the specific program). At this rate, I don't even want to know what will happen 4-8 years from now.

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2018, 06:04:18 pm »
They have become a populist party, not a Conservative party. The Democrats have gone full Socialist (or Fascist depending on the details of the specific program).

Exactamundo.

Real Limited Government Conservatism has been repudiated and rejected by the Republican party in total.

It is why Conservatives need to dump it - and get into something else, or they will simply become part of the political machine that is eradicating it.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2018, 11:23:18 pm »
The Republicans are doing with Obama care what the Democrats will do with Medicare for all.   It’s hugely unlikely that Medicare for all is going to ever exist in this country. But it gives Democrats an issue to feed their voting base  at election time
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2018, 12:13:28 am »
The Republicans are doing with Obama care what the Democrats will do with Medicare for all.   It’s hugely unlikely that Medicare for all is going to ever exist in this country. But it gives Democrats an issue to feed their voting base  at election time

Single payer is where both sides have said they are going, so...

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2018, 12:22:44 am »
Give up? They didn't even try.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2018, 12:25:18 am »
Give up? They didn't even try.

Because as Roamer pointed out - the goal is Single Payer and BOTH "parties" want it.

It will make slaves of the populace and cement government dictates on every aspect of life.

Of course Republicans and their Marxist/Socialist counterparts in the Democrat party want that.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2018, 01:29:32 am »
Give up? They didn't even try.

Isn't Trump in the driver seat?
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2018, 01:56:17 am »
Isn't Trump in the driver seat?

@Chosen Daughter

Don't you know how our government works? Changes to the law come from the legislature. If the liars who campaigned on repealing Obamacare had lived up to their promise, they had a President ready and willing to sign the repeal.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2018, 02:16:24 am »
   Someone in the GOP convinced Trump that Rename/Resuscitate was not worth the expended Political Capital and my moneys on McConnell since it died in his Senate, multiple times. 
   This current CF of a healthcare system cannot be any worse than that Legislative BS, obummercare~LITE, they tried to pass last winter in the final hours.
   Just ask anyone in the VA system and they'll tell ya that the Gov sucks at health care.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2018, 02:20:09 am »
Isn't Trump in the driver seat?

Only till they need someone to blame.

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2018, 03:09:37 am »
Give up? They didn't even try.


Yes, they did MANY TIMES,,even under obama and Harry Reid nixed them 32 times.  This time under president TRUMP..we had it won, needing, just one more YES vote.  Well, traitor, hanoi singer, McCain at 2 in the morning, gave it a big NO.

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2018, 03:14:58 am »
Why do so many "conservatives" think president TRUMP is a dictator?  It is all on congress, using our constitution.  Just like president TRUMP campaigned, "using our constitution with the help of congress" to get his policies through. 

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2018, 03:23:54 am »
@Chosen Daughter

Don't you know how our government works? Changes to the law come from the legislature. If the liars who campaigned on repealing Obamacare had lived up to their promise, they had a President ready and willing to sign the repeal.

I know how the government doesn't work.  It doesn't work.  When I say he is in the driver seat I mean he is responsible to make clear the agenda.  To force his platform.  He has power and he can hold it over them.  Its not lets make a deal, he is supposed to be art of the deal.  Obviously it isn't important or he would be pushing it.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2018, 03:36:16 am »
Why do so many "conservatives" think president TRUMP is a dictator?  It is all on congress, using our constitution.  Just like president TRUMP campaigned, "using our constitution with the help of congress" to get his policies through. 

   You've got us pegged all wrong @LegalAmerican Very few if any here on TBR believe that President Trump is a dicktater and believe that his Administration has accomplished some 'Good' things but realize also that he has a tendency to step on his message a lot, no wonder Sarah want's the hell out of there.  As far as Congress goes, they are more screwed up than he is, yesterday passing Legislation making it illegal to eat dogs and cats, I don't know about your animals but mine are much happier, tonight.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2018, 03:45:53 am »
As far as Congress goes, they are more screwed up than he is, yesterday passing Legislation making it illegal to eat dogs and cats, I don't know about your animals but mine are much happier, tonight.

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2018, 03:51:56 am »
   The young Lions successfully got the Cougars exempted, making my ol lady a happy camper.
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2018, 03:55:22 am »
   The young Lions successfully got the Cougars exempted, making my ol lady a happy camper.

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We may be talking about different things... :shrug:

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2018, 03:55:37 am »
The GOP gives up...really? Wow, who ever heard of that happening? That never happens..LOL. That's all they ever do.

This is the most significant difference between the Leftist/Liberals and the Republicans. The Leftists never give up until they are dead, dead, dead, and in the ground. Just like the Liberal Leftist John McCain did. That is how they roll. The GOP are the Mormons of the political world and the Dems are the Hustlers who take advantage of them every day.

GOP: We want to repeal obamacare.
Dems: Nope
GOP: OK, you're right. We give up.

Dems: We want to impeach Trump.
GOP: You can't. You have no evidence.
Dems: We will fight this for 10 years to the gates of Hell to make it happen!

The Liberals don't even know how to 'give up' because they've never done it. Nothing stops them. No laws, No rules, No ethics, no nothing. They fight to the death over everything they want.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2018, 04:12:03 am »
   Yea, different species of Cougar, perhaps.

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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2018, 04:15:47 am »
Why do so many "conservatives" think president TRUMP is a dictator?  It is all on congress, using our constitution.  Just like president TRUMP campaigned, "using our constitution with the help of congress" to get his policies through.

You just proved the point that Trump is AWOL and an EMPTY SUIT when it comes to making those Deals-That-No-One-Else-Can-Make to get Congress to enact something an overwhelming majority of Americans wanted done.

Trump cannot even make deals within his own party, so he is a LOSER and not the mythical WINNER you and your mob insisted he was going to be when it came to repealing ObamaCare.
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Re: GOP Gives Up On Repealing Obamacare
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2018, 06:16:06 am »
This is unexpected.  I figured the GOP would play with the base and try to fund raise off their imminent failure before announcing it outright.  No fun.

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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2018, 10:48:25 am »
This isn't news to me.  Republicans have failed to keep any of their promises since at least 2010.  First, it was "give us the House and we will do this."  So voters gave them the House and then they said "we need the senate to really get things done."  So voters gave them the senate.  Then it was 'give us the presidency so we can really do things."  So now Republicans have both houses of congress and the presidency and still, the promises have not been kept. 

I can only conclude that Republicans really don't want to end Obamacare, don't want to stop the invasion of illegals and "refugees." don't want to really fix our tax system, or do anythingn else they promised to do.  They just want to collect the salaries, perks and benefits. 

I was taught that our elected representatives are our employeees -- they work for us; we don't work for them.  Well, I don't know of any employer who would put up with an employee who doesn't do the job -- at least not for long.  Why do we, the voters -- the employers -- allow these employees to collect a check without doing their job? 

Republicans have no intention of repealing Obamacare and, mark my words, they will be ok with some sport of Medicare for all scheme.  Both parties crave power and what better power to have than the power over the life and death of their subjects?