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Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« on: August 21, 2018, 02:03:50 pm »
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A man who authorities believe is the last known Nazi collaborator living in the U.S. has been arrested and deported to Germany.
At the order of President Donald Trump, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents removed 95-year-old Jakiw Palij from his Queens, New York, home on Monday.
Justice Department officials say Palij served as an armed guard at a death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland and later lied to American immigration officials about his role in those atrocities when he entered the U.S. after the war.....

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nazi-labor-camp-guard-arrested-ice-deported-germany/story?id=57288410


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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2018, 02:07:18 pm »
I hope him and others like him burn in hell.
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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2018, 02:14:47 pm »
Not a very German sounding name.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2018, 02:15:21 pm »
Well. That'll show him after 73 years.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2018, 02:19:04 pm »
Not a very German sounding name.

Polish.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2018, 02:19:10 pm »
Not a very German sounding name.

Sounds polish. Maybe being deported to Germany was his sentence.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2018, 02:19:30 pm »
Well. That'll show him after 73 years.

No statute of limitations on murder or war crimes. Justice will catch up to you, you can't just hope to wait it out.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2018, 02:49:31 pm »
Most of this fellow's detractors, have not worn a uniform, or faced war.

The Germans offered Poles and Jews themselves, a chance to survive, by being guards or dying themselves.

I think many keyboard talkers, would have saved themselves.




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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2018, 02:58:49 pm »
No statute of limitations on murder or war crimes. Justice will catch up to you, you can't just hope to wait it out.

LOL. What justice? You read the story? We are shipping him to Germany where they don't know what to do with him. He is going to sit in some hotel room over there till he dies. Big whoop.

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 03:04:30 pm »
No statute of limitations on murder or war crimes. Justice will catch up to you, you can't just hope to wait it out.

Lying on his immigration application is reason enough to expel him. The rest of his crimes are conjecture.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 03:13:37 pm »
LOL. What justice? You read the story? We are shipping him to Germany where they don't know what to do with him. He is going to sit in some hotel room over there till he dies. Big whoop.


Free room and board. Free medical care. This might be a step up for him in his final days.


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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 03:22:29 pm »
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"Despite a court ordering his deportation in 2004, past administrations were unsuccessful in removing Palij.

Why?
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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 03:28:40 pm »
Polish.

Ukrainian.  No Poles served as guards in the camps.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 03:29:09 pm »
Most of this fellow's detractors, have not worn a uniform, or faced war.

The Germans offered Poles and Jews themselves, a chance to survive, by being guards or dying themselves.

I think many keyboard talkers, would have saved themselves.

No Poles were camp guards.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2018, 03:34:44 pm »
Ukrainian.  No Poles served as guards in the camps.

You're right. The Poles were used to hold the tents up in the camps.

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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2018, 03:44:34 pm »
You're right. The Poles were used to hold the tents up in the camps.

The is no exit data to support that claim.
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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2018, 03:49:22 pm »
Why?

Probably because there's no proof he actually committed any crime.

I figure it this way - as unpopular as an opinion as it may be - if the men who actually fought and died at the hand of the Nazis and saw the atrocities they committed first hand did not see fit to prosecute conscripts who weren't directly implicated in any war crimes why should we?

BTW same goes for the Japanese military - among whom many more war criminals got away with murder than did their axis partners.
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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2018, 03:50:15 pm »
If there is a "z" in the name, it's often Polish, this is a rule-of-thumb used, it's not true all the time but would be often. President of Poland, Andrzej Duda, so the first name in this case.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2018, 03:55:40 pm »
If there is a "z" in the name, it's often Polish, this is a rule-of-thumb used, it's not true all the time but would be often. President of Poland, Andrzej Duda, so the first name in this case.

It's a Ukrainian name, he was born in Pre-War Poland, and at the time there were many Ukrainians in Poland,   the Soviets then incorporated that area into Soviet Ukraine.

And Ukrainians were not nice to the Poles during the War.  Bandera and his boys killed thousands of Poles.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2018, 04:09:12 pm »
I'm on the side of the Polish President and government who stands up for Ukraine versus Russian aggression.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2018, 04:27:28 pm »
Some people will say such as this guy and it's just the press that is running with "he's the last of the Nazis" but will say because he is in his 90s, they should leave him alone. They have known about him since about 2002, so then, he must have been around 78 years old. Of course, Ukraine was never among the axis powers.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2018, 05:13:02 pm »
Probably because there's no proof he actually committed any crime.

I figure it this way - as unpopular as an opinion as it may be - if the men who actually fought and died at the hand of the Nazis and saw the atrocities they committed first hand did not see fit to prosecute conscripts who weren't directly implicated in any war crimes why should we?

BTW same goes for the Japanese military - among whom many more war criminals got away with murder than did their axis partners.

Technically, we do have proof he committed a crime of lying on his entrance paperwork (about being in the SS) so with that alone, it qualifies him as an illegal immigrant and subject to deportation. He now will be tried for war crimes to the country he is being deported to.

Unless of course, these aren't the illegals we want to kick out?  Hmmmm... 
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2018, 05:20:13 pm »
Some people will say such as this guy and it's just the press that is running with "he's the last of the Nazis" but will say because he is in his 90s, they should leave him alone. They have known about him since about 2002, so then, he must have been around 78 years old. Of course, Ukraine was never among the axis powers.

They've actually been trying to deport him to Poland since the mid 2000s but Poland wouldn't take him. They revoked any citizenship standing at the time we denaturalized him for lying on his entrance application.

He is being deported to Germany war crimes investigation units and courts are still headquartered. He would be considered at the point up until deportation, an international fugitive.

... Of course, Ukraine was never among the axis powers.

Of course, that's because the Ukraine didn't exist as a nation at that time. It was part of  Lithuania and Poland. Before that it was as a Cossack Hetmanate in the Ottman Empire. Ukraine was just an ethnic group the Soviets separated when dividing post war Europe. The Ukraine as an independent nation didn't exist until 1991.

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Re: Nazi death camp guard arrested by ICE, deported to Germany
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2018, 05:21:30 pm »
Technically, we do have proof he committed a crime of lying on his entrance paperwork (about being in the SS) so with that alone, it qualifies him as an illegal immigrant and subject to deportation. He now will be tried for war crimes to the country he is being deported to.

Unless of course, these aren't the illegals we want to kick out?  Hmmmm...

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2018, 06:15:40 pm »
So other countries refused to take him when they tried to deport him before.  They should have put him in the Atlantic and told him to stop paddling when he saw land.