Worst-case scenario for House GOP is 70-seat wipeout

[Applewood]

 

[INVAR]

This is why you are wrong, in order to negotiate you have to have willing partners. The liberal pubs "establishment" were never willing to back the agenda Trump ran on. They've always found a way to kill the big ticket items, except tax cuts and reform which their open border business donors wanted.

Trump has had better success negotiating with other nations because he's been able to create leverage. He should be able to create leverage with the Rats in Congress if the Pubs were united with him, but they aren't.

Blame those who deserve it. The Pubs in Congress.

The GOP deserves all the scorn and contempt it gets.

However, Trump was sold as a person who could work with anyone to get a 'deal'.  Hell, the Trump nuts were lauding his deal-making abilities to get the Norks to de-nuke (which was again - another ego-stroking photo-op ruse), and celebrated his ability to get Lil' Rocketman Kim to the table.

Trump can get Lil' Kim to deal but not his own party in Congress??   To suggest Trump's inability to negotiate a deal with a hostile congress is not his fault when people were sold on the false idea that Trump's ability to make deals was god-like, makes my whole point : Trump was and is not the person he and his merry band marketed himself to be.

[INVAR]

No, you're both wrong.

You're animus for Trump regardless of what he does is pretty obvious.

Well, both he and mostly his mewling throngs of ForeverTrumps® have seen to that.  But we're not wrong here, despite our animus.

It's been clear from the get go that the tariffs are a negotiating tool.

Ah yes, let us tax and bailout the Americans hurt by the tool.  Great plan.

It's a LOSE LOSE for the American people who have to pay the tariff for the goods targeted and then all of us now have to pay for a multi-b-b-billion dollar bailout of the Americans who took a hit because of this 'negotiating tool'.

It sucks and is no deal for us.  We just get taxed more and then the government gets to tax us again to deal with the problem government created in the first place.

The people complaing about the tariffs are the same people who complain about how other countries take advantage of us. You don't get to have it both ways just because you don't like Trump. He is doing a lot of good things.

I'm complaining about it because I have to pay for it.  Then I have to pay higher taxes to bailout the farmers and industries that got hurt by this fun little trade war Trump is waging.

As far as I am concerned, the only person being taken advantage of, is me and the American people who have to work and pay for all this shit so policy wonks can point to a false victory and scream 'Winning!'.  I'm not winning shit with Trump.  My wallet is losing with Trump.

[cato potatoe]

If you look inside these polls you see a couple of things.  Republicans are somewhat less enthusiastic than Democrats.  But also, the Republicans have lost independent supporters.  The first I believe is mostly due to stalled legislation.  The second is because Trump has proven himself unfit to be President, and the Republicans cannot be trusted to hold him in check.

[roamer_1]

A good Republican might do nothing that particularly elates us but if he/she keeps that seat out of democrat butts, it is worth voting for.

Not when he votes with the socialists.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Just another propaganda piece.   YAWN!!!

@Bigun


WOMP, WOMP: DNC's Tom Perez Prepares Democrats For Losses

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34679/womp-womp-dncs-tom-perez-prepares-democrats-losses-ryan-saavedra

[Bigun]

@Bigun


WOMP, WOMP: DNC's Tom Perez Prepares Democrats For Losses

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34679/womp-womp-dncs-tom-perez-prepares-democrats-losses-ryan-saavedra

@To-Whose-Benefit?

I'm amazed!  Not that he would do it but that it got reported anywhere!

[libertybele]

Actually, I'm glad to see all the polls and worst case scenarios depicting the GOP losing.  I see it as GOP voter turn out being HUGE and the DEMS becoming complacent thinking they don't need to show up to vote because the polls are showing that they're winning ... you know just like Hillary was suposed to win.   

[Smokin Joe]

Maybe not the primary reason, but Trump will be one of the reasons.  His unwillingness to work with his own party in getting his supposed agenda done will be a factor. 

Of course, Trump's fans will exonerate him because he has told them to.  Nothing that goes wrong or anything that doesn't get done is never his fault.  From the beginning of his presidency, Trump has blamed "the swamp" or whatever term he likes to use at any given moment, for any campaign promise that wasn't fulfilled.  And his fans will continue the blame game because he said so.

A Democrat majority in either or both houses of congress will be great for Trump.  In that event, Trump won't have to keep any of his promises.  He will have a good excuse for doing nothing.  Heck, he might even go back to being a Democrat again.

Say what you will, but it was the Congressional GOP who failed to repeal Obamacare, and that's just the beginning. Many of them ran on exactly that issue, but forgot all about that when they got to DC.
I'm fair enough to not blame POTUS for Congress' failures, and vice-versa.

There is still the 900 lb gorilla in the room. Voter Fraud, and plenty of it.

[Smokin Joe]

Not when he votes with the socialists.

If he votes with them, he isn't any good, no matter what party he claims.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Trump Has Red China Reeling

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/08/trump-has-red-china-reeling.html

as anyone who'd bothered to read the slug of articles covering China itself I've posted in the World News Section over the last 4 or 5 days here already knows.

[DB]

But what did Trump actually do to get the lazy lumps moving on repeal?  How many times did he meet with the Republican party hierarchy in both houses?  I recall seeing some photos or maybe a video or two of one or two such meetings, but it all looked like PR to me.   No, Trump delegated or abdicated his responsibilities and when the Republicans didn't get the job done, he took to Twitter to blame them. 

As a Republican president with Republican majorities in both houses, he should have been able to move them forward.  Yes, they have to do the work, but he could have been the great leader, the successful mogul he claimed to be and motivated them to get going.  He didn't. 

So yes, he failed as much as the Republican in both houses did.  Not that his faithful followers will ever blame him.

What he actually did was threaten to primary the few conservatives that wanted to actually repeal Obamacare and not raise taxes in other areas. Not much on the Democrat side threat wise... No appeal to the American people. No actual threat of shutting down government to get what he said he wanted. The Dems were very pleased with the results.

[skeeter]

This is why you are wrong, in order to negotiate you have to have willing partners. The liberal pubs "establishment" were never willing to back the agenda Trump ran on. They've always found a way to kill the big ticket items, except tax cuts and reform which their open border business donors wanted.

Trump has had better success negotiating with other nations because he's been able to create leverage. He should be able to create leverage with the Rats in Congress if the Pubs were united with him, but they aren't.

Blame those who deserve it. The Pubs in Congress.

If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.

But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.

But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.

QFT!

[Applewood]

Well, at this point I really don't care what happens in November and it seems neither does Trump nor his fans.  They would rather spend their time on frivolous controversies such as Omarosa and Barack Obama's eligibility. Too bad.  Trump and the Republicans  had a golden opportunity in two years to trounce the Democrats.  But they would rather waste their time on phony controversies and imaginary enemies. 

Fine with me.  I hope they are all ready for the loss of freedom, burdensome taxation and the takeover of the US by its enemies. Me?   I will endure as I did during 8 years of Obama.  I've had a lot of practice. If I am reduced to poverty, I'll just go on the dole as so many others have.

Enjoy!

[roamer_1]

If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.

But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.

Tump CREATED the impasse. And no, he ain't much different from Dubya's first term.

[DB]

If Trump tweets something stupid just before the election Republicans will lose more seats.

If the Democrats demand ICE be be abolished and push more socialist candidates just before the election they'll lose more seats.

Neither party is giving people something to vote for. Only things to vote against. The only real question is which party will make the biggest boneheaded move. And on that front, who knows...

[INVAR]

Neither party is giving people something to vote for. Only things to vote against.

Bingo.

And I am DONE practicing that particular form of insanity.

[Victoria33]

If Trump tweets something stupid just before the election Republicans will lose more seats.  If the Democrats demand ICE be be abolished and push more socialist candidates just before the election they'll lose more seats.  Neither party is giving people something to vote for. Only things to vote against. The only real question is which party will make the biggest boneheaded move. And on that front, who knows...

@DB

Thanks for your reality post.

[bilo]

If the republicans were doing ANYTHING different under Trump than they've been doing consistently for X decades - promising the moon to republicans voters and delivering bupkis when the chips were down - I'd say Applewood and INVAR would have a point.

But they aren't so they don't. Trump has done more to try to move the ball downfield than anyone since Reagan and deserves credit for it, not condemnation.

 

It was the Pub party that deserted us not Trump. I figured the opposite would be the case. I really don't see how anything would be different legislatively if the Rats gain control of the House.

If the Rats control the House no immigration reform will be passed, obamacare won't be completely repealed, voter fraud won't be addressed. IOW, nothing changes. The only thing we will see is never ending investigations of Trump and possible impeachment that will go nowhere in the Senate.

[DB]

It was the Pub party that deserted us not Trump. I figured the opposite would be the case. I really don't see how anything would be different legislatively if the Rats gain control of the House.

If the Rats control the House no immigration reform will be passed, obamacare won't be completely repealed, voter fraud won't be addressed. IOW, nothing changes. The only thing we will see is never ending investigations of Trump and possible impeachment that will go nowhere in the Senate.

Trump abandoned "draining the swamp" the day he was elected. He hired Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, pushed for McConnell as head the senate and pushed for Ryan as the speaker. All that was pointed out as being a huge mistake from the very beginning right here on this site.

With that what did you really expect???

The opportunity to do something different came and went by Trump's hand. The same with addressing Hillary's illegalities. So I don't buy this "poor Trump" crap that he's trying but congress just won't go along. Motivating congress to make "great deals" was supposed to be his special power according to him. He tanked it from the beginning.

[bilo]

Trump abandoned "draining the swamp" the day he was elected. He hired Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, pushed for McConnell as head the senate and pushed for Ryan as the speaker. All that was pointed out as being a huge mistake from the very beginning right here on this site.

With that what did you really expect???

The opportunity to do something different came and went by Trump's hand. The same with addressing Hillary's illegalities. So I don't buy this "poor Trump" crap that he's trying but congress just won't go along. Motivating congress to make "great deals" was supposed to be his special power according to him. He tanked it from the beginning.

I don't get where pointing out that Trump has actually tried to do what he said he would do and the Pub party failing to do what they said they would do is "poor Trump crap". Whether you like Trump or not, if you're a conservative you should be rooting for him. Conservatives have always wanted a sane immigration system with solid border control, govt. out of our healthcare, a strong national defense, trade practices that are not weighted against us, and judges who don't legislate from the bench. It's the Pub party that has failed to back him on these issues.

I remember at the start of his administration Trump brought in Preibus among others. I thought it was a good move on his part to try and get the Pub party unified and to have people with legislative experience working with legislators. I didn't think that was abandoning changing how things work. We don't elect a monarch. Where Trump made a huge mistake was in signing the last budget CR. Trump has trusted the Pub party too much and their failure is going to cost them in the mid term elections.

Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.

[Applewood]

Trump abandoned "draining the swamp" the day he was elected. He hired Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, pushed for McConnell as head the senate and pushed for Ryan as the speaker. All that was pointed out as being a huge mistake from the very beginning right here on this site.

With that what did you really expect???

The opportunity to do something different came and went by Trump's hand. The same with addressing Hillary's illegalities. So I don't buy this "poor Trump" crap that he's trying but congress just won't go along. Motivating congress to make "great deals" was supposed to be his special power according to him. He tanked it from the beginning.

 

[DB]

I don't get where pointing out that Trump has actually tried to do what he said he would do and the Pub party failing to do what they said they would do is "poor Trump crap". Whether you like Trump or not, if you're a conservative you should be rooting for him. Conservatives have always wanted a sane immigration system with solid border control, govt. out of our healthcare, a strong national defense, trade practices that are not weighted against us, and judges who don't legislate from the bench. It's the Pub party that has failed to back him on these issues.

I remember at the start of his administration Trump brought in Preibus among others. I thought it was a good move on his part to try and get the Pub party unified and to have people with legislative experience working with legislators. I didn't think that was abandoning changing how things work. We don't elect a monarch. Where Trump made a huge mistake was in signing the last budget CR. Trump has trusted the Pub party too much and their failure is going to cost them in the mid term elections.

Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.

It is Kabuki theater and I'm tired of being played. They tell you one thing and do something else. Over and over. Enough is enough.

[Applewood]

Trump's time in office will be similar to Reagan's in that he will get more done internationally, where legislators are not involved, than he will domestically.

In two years what has he accomplished on an international level -- other than two summits, one of which he won't talk about and the other which produced some boxes that might contain the remains of our servicemen (still don't know yet what's in those boxes).  In the meantime he has insulted our allies and has started a trade war.  I don't see how any of that can be called accomplishments. 

And please don't try to put Trump on the same level as President Reagan.  Trump couldn't hold a candle to President Reagan -- domestically or internationally.