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Dueling Populisms
« on: August 13, 2018, 06:43:17 pm »
Dueling Populisms

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By Victor Davis Hanson
Published April 23,2018


populism. Both strains originated in classical times and persist today.

In antiquity, one type was known by elite writers of that time to be the "bad" populism. It appealed to the volatile, landless urban "mob," or what the Athenians dubbed pejoratively the ochlos and the Romans disparagingly called the turba. Their popular unrest was spearheaded by the so-called demagogoi ("leaders of the people") or, in Roman times, the popular tribunes. These largely urban protest movements focused on the redistribution of property, higher liturgies or taxes on the wealthy, the cancellation of debts, support for greater public employment and entitlements, and sometimes imperialism abroad. Centuries later, the French Revolution and many of the European upheavals of 1848 reflected some of these same ancient tensions. Those modern mobs wanted government-mandated equality of result rather than that of opportunity, and they believed egalitarianism should encompass nearly all facets of life.


This populism operated via redistribution and it was the antecedent of today's progressive movement. Contemporary progressive populists favor higher taxes on the rich, more entitlements for the poor, identity politics reparations, and relief from debts such as the cancellation of student loans. Various grassroots movements like Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the Bernie Sanders phenomenon have all promoted such policies.


But there was always another populism — and in the ancient world, it was considered a "good" form of grassroots activism even though its contemporary version is disparaged by the liberal press: this political movement stemmed from the conservative and often rural quarters of the middle classes. The agrarian agendas of the Gracchi brothers, Roman politicians from the second century BC, were quite different from that of the later bread-and-circus urban underclass, in the same way that the American revolutionaries emphasized liberty while their French counterparts championed egalitarianism. More recently, the populism of the Tea Party is antithetical to that of Occupy Wall Street.

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Re: Dueling Populisms
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2018, 07:00:00 pm »
Some Usual Suspects HERE have put forth the idea that Patriotism equals Nationalism equals Populism


They have repeatedly, used that to claim Trump and his supporters are nothing but fascists, Nazis, Hitler lovers.


In this article, Hanson sets the record straight.
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Re: Dueling Populisms
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2018, 07:06:28 pm »
Some Usual Suspects HERE have put forth the idea that Patriotism equals Nationalism equals Populism


They have repeatedly, used that to claim Trump and his supporters are nothing but fascists, Nazis, Hitler lovers.


In this article, Hanson sets the record straight.

Nationalism is Patriotism taken to the extreme in a very bad way.  You can have Patriotism with without having Nationalism.

However Nationalism and Populism do tend to go hand in hand.
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Re: Dueling Populisms
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2018, 07:17:24 pm »
Some Usual Suspects HERE have put forth the idea that Patriotism equals Nationalism equals Populism


They have repeatedly, used that to claim Trump and his supporters are nothing but fascists, Nazis, Hitler lovers.


In this article, Hanson sets the record straight.

Populism has zip to do with Patriotism or Nationalism though they can be combined into a toxic mix. Populist are simply people who go with the quick simple "fix" to things, often an emotional one, without regard to any underlying principles and usually fails because of that. Those lack of principles include ignoring the constitution where it gets in the way. The consequences from the "fix" usually far outweigh the benefits long term, especially where liberty is concerned.

Populism can change on a dime, because it isn't built on any foundation. What was "great" yesterday can be out of favor today. The mob is a fickle bunch... It doesn't usually stay organized long as a result.

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Re: Dueling Populisms
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2018, 10:49:20 pm »
Populism has zip to do with Patriotism or Nationalism though they can be combined into a toxic mix. Populist are simply people who go with the quick simple "fix" to things, often an emotional one, without regard to any underlying principles and usually fails because of that. Those lack of principles include ignoring the constitution where it gets in the way. The consequences from the "fix" usually far outweigh the benefits long term, especially where liberty is concerned.

Populism can change on a dime, because it isn't built on any foundation. What was "great" yesterday can be out of favor today. The mob is a fickle bunch... It doesn't usually stay organized long as a result.

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