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What a bunch of looney tunes.

Yeah! Right!  To a few ignorant know nothings maybe!
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Wow.  And people say I've got Trump Derangement Syndrome.

I think they might be correct.  Hey, it happens.  (I was pretty close to that diagnosis myself during the Republican primaries.  And I am unashamed to say I didn't vote at all in the 2016 election, because as bad as HRC was, I still could not conscientiously vote for the lesser of two devils.  [Never mind that I was relieved to see him beat HRC without my help.])

Well, guess what?  I have noticed that now-President Trump is at least a small measure more Presidential than he was during the primaries.  So I cut him a fair amount of slack.  More to the point:  although I am not one of the many TBR members who seem to think Trump is some kind of Orange God, I am persuaded that Trump is a pretty useful guy for America now that he is in the White House.  Crazy and crass as he sometimes appears to be, I think he has more guts for the war against the Deep State than almost anyone on the American political scene at this time.  And I think we will see him launching a much-needed slash-and-burn campaign against the Deep State before the November elections.)

BTW, I'm guessing that you ignored everything I revealed about Obama and the birthplace controversy. That ain't a swell attitude.  Your comment about a "derangement syndrome" is just your way of changing the subject that you ought to be facing honestly.

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There are a number of problems with this.  For one thing, the Short Form BC that was originally used by Obama to claim that he is a U.S. citizen proves nothing.  Even Hawaiian officials admitted this.

When a lot of folks complained that Obama had a long political track record of saying that he was born in Kenya, the Hawaiian officials who were supposed to sign off on Obama's eligibility for the 2008 election did not regard any Short Form Birth Certificate issued in Hawaii as proof of a different birthplace--i.e., Hawaii after all.  The Hawaiian officials obviously did not regard any "Short Form BC" as authoritatively belying Obama's earlier "false" claims of Kenyan birth (apparently because they realized that Hawaii's Short Forms are issued without regard to true birthplace).   They flatly refused to sign off on Obama's newly claimed natural American citizenship.

As @Elderberry points out--and I also remember the whole mess--Nancy Pelosi intervened to certify personally that Obama was eligible.  It was a snarled-up farce on the part of Pelosi and the DNC, an awful legal travesty.

I think this amply demonstrates the point I was making in my post.

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The Hawaiian officials obviously did not regard any "Short Form BC" as authoritatively belying Obama's earlier "false" claims of Kenyan birth (apparently because they realized that Hawaii's Short Forms are issued without regard to true birthplace).
That is not even close to being true. If any state issued birth certificates "without regard to true birthplace" neither the federal government nor any of the other states would recognize them as valid, and that goes for any resident of that state!
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That is not even close to being true. If any state issued birth certificates "without regard to true birthplace" neither the federal government nor any of the other states would recognize them as valid, and that goes for any resident of that state!

Not quite, @jmyrlefuller, for some time, Hawaii did issue Certificates of Live Birth, even if the person was not born in Hawaii, and with that CLB they could get a birth certificate.   

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That is not even close to being true. If any state issued birth certificates "without regard to true birthplace" neither the federal government nor any of the other states would recognize them as valid, and that goes for any resident of that state!

I can understand your incredulity.    It turns out that Hawaii's policy is crookedly screwy--radically different from the birth recordkeeping standards of any other State.  Their policy is so crazy that I couldn't believe it at first.  It turns out that the Long Form BC is recognized as the "more reliable" version of the Hawaiian birth record--which is precisely why Trump demanded to see that version.

The whole thing is crazy.  Hawaii is politically crazy.  (Remember:  Hawaii was almost denied Statehood for this very reason.) 

This amazing mess with the Hawaiian records would also explain why the Hawaiian election officials wouldn't certify Obama for the 2018 ballot.  They were pretty closed-mouthed about the records debacle, but they flatly refused to certify Obama.  You would think that they would be proud to certify a Native Son of Hawaii, but they evidently couldn't find the Long Form BC they needed to see (or maybe they even found one that did document his birthplace in Kenya).

We live in an incredibly corrupt world.  Wait and see the further revelations.  Some of them will be even worse than the Birth Certificate fraud.
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THIS crap still going on? Talk about flogging a dead horse! The poser already served two terms as president,and is now retired and out of office. What do you people plan to do now,reverse history so it never happened?

And finally,his mother was a US citizens,so HE is a US citizen.

Or are some of you now claiming she was from Venus?

All the crap we have to worry about and try to fight,and you people are still whining over a done deal that is history that will NEVER be changed?
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THIS crap still going on? Talk about flogging a dead horse! The poser already served two terms as president,and is now retired and out of office. What do you people plan to do now,reverse history so it never happened?

And finally,his mother was a US citizens,so HE is a US citizen.

Or are some of you now claiming she was from Venus?

All the crap we have to worry about and try to fight,and you people are still whining over a done deal that is history that will NEVER be changed?

Nope, under the laws at the time she wasn't old enough to confer citizenship and it would have defaulted to his father's.

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Nope, under the laws at the time she wasn't old enough to confer citizenship and it would have defaulted to his father's.

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Ok,that still makes him a citizen because his father,Frank Marshall Davis, was also an American citizen.

Compare a photo of Davis in his 30's or 40's to a photo of Obama in his 30's or 40's,and they are practically twins.
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Ok,that still makes him a citizen because his father,Frank Marshall Davis, was also an American citizen.

Compare a photo of Davis in his 30's or 40's to a photo of Obama in his 30's or 40's,and they are practically twins.

Unfortunately for that storyline, Barack, Sr. was named as his father.

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Anyone could get a Hawaiian birth certificate.

The founding father of the Republic of China, Dr. Sun Yat-sen gained US citizenship thru a Hawaiian birth certificate.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/4419/Sun-Yat-Sen-Hawaii-Birth-Certificate-causes-Trouble-in-Taipei.aspx

The United States may have a document to show that Dr. Sun Yat-sen, the founding father of the Republic of China, had U.S. citizenship, but his birth in China's Guangdong Province remains an undisputable truth, an official from the ruling Kuomintang (KMT) said yesterday. 

His Hawaiian birth certificate was an expedient measure taken when he was in the thick of the revolution to overthrow the Ching Dynasty, Shao Ming-huang, curator of the KMT Historical Archive, said yesterday.

According to a spokeswoman for the American Institute in Taiwan (AIT), Sun Yat-sen was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, as attested by a 1904 official U.S. immigration document.

The fate of the revolution was in the balance in 1904, a decade after Sun's founding of the Revive China Society (興中會), when some overseas Chinese leaders suggested to him he had better obtain U.S. citizenship if he wanted to move about freely and to continue seeking support for his revolution in the United States, Shao said.

Sun was then a wanted man in China and was harassed by royalists in the United States, he added.

Some overseas Chinese leaders and Sun's relatives in San Francisco worked together to help Sun secure a Hawaiian birth certificate and, subsequently, a U.S. citizenship, Shao continued.

“This is of course an expedient measure adopted in the interest of the revolution. As such, it cannot change the fact that he was born in Tsui-heng Vilage (翠亨村),” Shao was quoted as saying.

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That's great info, @Elderberry!  Interesting - they were thinking ahead that US citizenship may be beneficial in the future?   :pondering:

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Unfortunately for that storyline, Barack, Sr. was named as his father.

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So what? Barack Sr needed a US wife to remain in America to finish school,and Davis was a know communist revolutionary that IF I remember correctly,was already married. Not that it would have mattered because any DECLARED child of his had no future in US politics due to him being a dedicated communist and child molester. These were people that tended to think generational changes of power,and it was important the baby had a "clean" back story.

Hell,nobody is even talking today about his grandmother and grandfather being Soviet agents.

Barack Sr divorced her after getting into grad school,and took another white wife back home to Africa with him when he left. All the boy represented to him was a ticket to remain in the US.
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So what? Barack Sr needed a US wife to remain in America to finish school,and Davis was a know communist revolutionary that IF I remember correctly,was already married. Not that it would have mattered because any DECLARED child of his had no future in US politics due to him being a dedicated communist and child molester. These were people that tended to think generational changes of power,and it was important the baby had a "clean" back story.

Hell,nobody is even talking today about his grandmother and grandfather being Soviet agents.

Barack Sr divorced her after getting into grad school,and took another white wife back home to Africa with him when he left. All the boy represented to him was a ticket to remain in the US.

But, what does that have to do with his citizenship?  Back them, whoever was on the BC was the dad.  Frank Marshall Davis was irrelevant as far as this went.  And - it didn't matter as long as Barack Jr. had an Hawaiian birth cert.

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Nope, under the laws at the time she wasn't old enough to confer citizenship and it would have defaulted to his father's.

Right again.  The federal statute said that the mom's American citizenship would not convey to the child unless she had resided in the USA for at least five years after her fourteenth birthday.  Stanley Dunham was only eighteen when Obama was born.  This fact legally knocked him out of American citizenship.  (His dad was not an American citizen, of course.)

I have often thought that this might have been a sore spot for Obama.  He might have tried to flip the disappointment of non-eligibility for his mother's citizenship (an inarguably precious commodity) into a hyped-up source of perverse African pride during his early years.  According to a schoolmate who was willing to give an interview, Obama bragged about being from Kenya, occasionally even claiming that he was the son of an African prince.

It also occurs to me that such hype is pretty hollow when one considers that most folks in wealth-compromised Africa would seem to prefer living in bountiful America. 

Claiming to be born of African nobility might impress American kids who might otherwise assume that Obama was born in the stereotypical mud hut, but the deception would just get hollower and hollower in Obama's soul.  And the worst thing about hollow hype is that it eventually calls for substantial reinforcement in the soul, I think.  If that is the case, I would assume that Obama's angst of non-American citizenship and hollow hype would gradually revamp his emphasis of merely hyping Africa into depreciating America pretty vigorously at the same time.  I believe Obama was at some level "sincere" in a foul self-deception wherein he was trying to make Africa out to be more noble than America--and it surely it suited him to work from both ridiculous ends.  (When Obama became POTUS, this farcical effort showed over and over in his simultaneous protestations of love for Kenya and maligning of America.)

Extrapolating just a bit, if Obama ever had a dream of becoming a naturalized American, he understandably lost enthusiasm for that scenario.  And once Super-Communist Frank Marshall Davis handed teenaged Obama a mission of attacking America by pursuing politics, I would guess that genuine American citizenship held no appeal whatsoever.  (Naturalization need not come up, because it could be finessed in the political world--a world of fraud, of course.) 

The White House itself did not come onto the table of conspiratorial opportunity until much later, of course, and the opportunity was too momentous to pass up.  Obama had to begin re-writing his legend after he rose in Illinois politics and even learned (with the encouragement of Ayers and other folks traceable to Davis's old but still thriving Chicago network) that he had a meaningful shot at a seat in the U.S. Senate. 

Re-writing his life story with the help of numerous expert liars, Obama was able to confuse and even intimidate pundits like Limbaugh and Levin.  They assumed that Obama had been lying earlier in life for reasons of getting scholarships through a birthplace fraud (i.e., not really born in Kenya) and later posing as a politically exotic commodity, i.e., a truly AFRICAN African-American.

The irony is that Rush and Mark and many, many others never had the guts to work through and figure out the legerdemain of Obama's sundry lies.  As I said earlier, Obama is not an African-American of any sort.  He is merely an African.

(And yeah, I do suspect that the century-old Luo seer's prophecy did fit somewhere into Obama's grandiose dreaming.)
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IMO, Obama getting to be POTUS for eight years emboldened the Left. 

By the Congress and Justice Department being cowed/castrated by Obama's skin tone, they completely ignored the high crimes of that Administration.

There's no way a candidate for President's past should be allowed to remain a mystery to most people.  And yet, nobody ever saw him or heard of him at Columbia university.

All along, they thought ...if it worked for a black man, it'll be a snap for a woman...especially a 'Clinton'.

If they would have gone strictly by the book...his ass would STILL be in jail.   'Burning' American cities be damned!



Good comment. Of course you are correct.  Why can't we talk about failed, fake, fraud ex-president obama, who still flies around on his A/F one, using up our tax dollars, going to Europe, at the same time President Trump is there?  That is undermining my president and meddling in our affairs.  He built that 8 million dollar house in DC , to keep helping deep state, in destroying  America. If Obama would STFU, we would not need to talk about him.  He is still behind the scenes, interfering, he is NOT GONE .


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Sure, there’s (1) the original, long-form 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate. Then there’s:

2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham)— not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s reptriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii)— not released
8) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.(These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)
13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released
17) Obama’s passport records — not released

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Good comment. Of course you are correct.  Why can't we talk about failed, fake, fraud ex-president obama, who still flies around on his A/F one, using up our tax dollars, going to Europe, at the same time President Trump is there?  That is undermining my president and meddling in our affairs.  He built that 8 million dollar house in DC , to keep helping deep state, in destroying  America. If Obama would STFU, we would not need to talk about him.  He is still behind the scenes, interfering, he is NOT GONE .



   We can't talk about the failed, fake, fraud ex-president Obama @LegalAmerican cause there's still some NT'ers out that need to be burned at the stake for their 'impurities'.
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I forgot about the claim by Birther Joe.



No claim,,fact.  Even a book by obama says, born in Kenya, and they are all so proud! Then he says it, In Kenya and manchells on video. It seems this site is protected from truth.  So much information on this.  That is why obama sued Joe on trumped up charge.

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So what? It is indistinguishable from the Bush and the Clinton stink.

Obomber can't run  for president again,so he isn't much of a threat anymore.


Guess again.  He is still working in D.C. and undermining everything my president does.  Some want him to be our first dictator of America. Most on here who bash my president Trump, have no clue what they are doing.  The, NBP, ACLU, SPL, BLM, ANTI-FA, want him back in office.  He, Soros,CLINTOONS, all pay for RIOTS, MEDIA LIES, AND COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA.

Some on here, believe the daily lies about Trump, 24/7,,,,

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The States elected Obama.  Nothing unconstitutional about it.  If you believe your State should not have qualified Obama as a legitimate candidate, then you should have taken that up with your State long before either of the elections.


Wrong.  Voter fraud is what put this imposter in office!  Not we the people . The dead voted, illegals and others voted many times!  i.e. lets say, there are 100 people in a town.  Well, 150 voted. This happened all over the states. Then Obama had SOROS as his supporter, and they shipped the votes, to be counted on SPAIN, by a company partly owned by SOROS. No American received that job, SPAIN GOT PAID.

Total voter fraud! I'll give you that 98% of the 14 % of black people voted for SKIN. THAT IS CALLED RACISM.

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Because no court has ever found any substantial cause to do so.

He has a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is valid. That is as much evidence as any of us have of being U.S. citizens. Unless they have some sort of credible proof that the state of Hawaii acted in bad faith, we're wasting our time on this.


Sorry, everything you posted is wrong.  We have all kind of facts. Have you not been aware, we have a SWAMP in our congress,S. C.? FBI, CIA ? Hawaii said they 'lost' his original B.C.  Abercrombie, I believe, was his name.  Dr.,,,  oh heck,,google !  Ukulele, " lee"
 signed the B.C.  It is a fake. Font and type not yet created in 1961, superimposed B.C.  Calling him African American on BC.  Back then it would have said, colored. Obama has no legit social security number.  It is from Conn. He never lived there.  So many phony items. GOOGLE.

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Good job, Doc,,,even that you did not vote for the CORRECT person.  lol.

I support president Trump 100%, and I don't think he is a god. I think a lot of men are jealous of Trump.  It is the male ego.





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Just food for thought. The real Russian connection besides Hillary.
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The First Time I Heard Of Barack
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During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
 
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
 
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
 
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
 
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
 
"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."
 
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
 
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
 
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
 
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
 
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
 
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
 
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."
 
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
 
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
 
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
 
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
 
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
 
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
 
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.
 
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
 
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
 
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
 
 
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    So it's not all Binary after all, even Trumpers have a choice.

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