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China's Plans To Reshape The World
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:23:28 PM »
Reuters Staff
August 9, 2018 / 12:34 AM / Updated a day ago

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https://in.reuters.com/article/us-apps-china-commentary/commentary-chinas-plans-to-reshape-the-world-idINKBN1KT213

Ten years ago on Wednesday, the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics showcased a fast-growing, economically powerful China with unmistakable ambitions to be a major global player. Just a few days ago, the Chinese authorities demolished the studio of artist Ai Weiwei, designer of the Games’ iconic “bird’s nest” stadium and now an exiled dissident in Germany. It was the latest sign of how the world’s most populous country has evolved under President Xi Jinping – simultaneously more self-confident yet paranoid, and no longer nearly so bothered what the rest of the world thinks.

While once China’s leaders openly flirted with copying the West, they now see themselves on a different route – even if that brings real risks of confrontation. In Johannesburg at the BRICS meeting of leaders of the world’s largest emerging economies last month, Xi outlined his robust worldview that China – with its unashamed focus on economic growth and disregard for electoral choice and civil rights – offered a different vison than Western capitalist democracy.

In the South China Sea and beyond, Beijing’s military has become ever more assertive. At the same time, its Belt and Road initiative – a multibillion-dollar set of global infrastructure investments explicitly aimed at redrawing global land and sea trade routes in China’s interests – has both boosted Beijing’s international clout but also hit some trouble. In countries like Colombia and Malaysia, among others, local politicians and governments have pushed back against major Chinese projects, sometimes canceling them altogether amid complaints over corruption and Beijing’s heavy handedness.
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Re: China's Plans To Reshape The World
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 11:41:22 PM »
China also sends a lot of fentanyl (usually then cut with opioids) to the USA which is killing and harming many Americans.  We need to get smart about all of this. Yes, weren't they saying 20 years ago, that this century would be the Chinese century? I think so.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 11:49:51 PM »
I don't doubt it.

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Re: China's Plans To Reshape The World
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 01:19:11 AM »
There has been a blizzard of commentary about China during the Trump era,
much of it embarrassingly stupid and from those needy of attention.
China is emphatically not a world economic and military power and never has
been. NEVER! Their dynastic history is testament to that reality.

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Re: China's Plans To Reshape The World
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 02:01:42 AM »
We'll see.

I doubt it will play out at all the way China intends.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 02:09:39 AM »
The article's premise is their "plans to reshape the world", not take over the world.  Yes, they have a powerful enough military but I think the concerns are more along the lines of their becoming an economic superpower, if they are not there yet and in that way, exerting a lot of power besides building up those artificial islands in the South China Sea and things like that. They are investing in that "silk road" or whatever it's called, they are investing in Africa, Pakistan and so on. They own properties here, which true, a lot of people do including some Gulf State Arabs.  Again, the keyword was "reshape" and that's what I would watch. They gave some large amount to some people in need as well recently. So, in that, I'm not saying all is bad. There was an article here posted that said even Europe is being watchful of them. Why they would have ships in the North Atlantic I don't know but they may be spreading themselves out a bit as we do.

So, to see them, say as we do a military might like Russia? Not at this point and perhaps never.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2018, 03:09:25 AM »
The article's premise is their "plans to reshape the world", not take over the world.  Yes, they have a powerful enough military but I think the concerns are more along the lines of their becoming an economic superpower, if they are not there yet and in that way, exerting a lot of power besides building up those artificial islands in the South China Sea and things like that. They are investing in that "silk road" or whatever it's called, they are investing in Africa, Pakistan and so on. They own properties here, which true, a lot of people do including some Gulf State Arabs.  Again, the keyword was "reshape" and that's what I would watch. They gave some large amount to some people in need as well recently. So, in that, I'm not saying all is bad. There was an article here posted that said even Europe is being watchful of them. Why they would have ships in the North Atlantic I don't know but they may be spreading themselves out a bit as we do.

So, to see them, say as we do a military might like Russia? Not at this point and perhaps never.

Their per capita GDP is 1/3 of ours. They are not an "economic super power". They simply have large numbers of people to make the numbers look big. Central planning will fail them like it has failed every other top down tyranny. It is one thing to go from zero to 1/3 or 1/2 what the western world already does mostly under free enterprise. They've done much of it by stealing technology - that only gets you so far. It is something else to reach parity and stay there with the communist party in charge crushing anything that challenges it. China is due for some serious "rough patches"...
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2018, 09:56:13 AM »
Their per capita GDP is 1/3 of ours. They are not an "economic super power". They simply have large numbers of people to make the numbers look big. Central planning will fail them like it has failed every other top down tyranny. It is one thing to go from zero to 1/3 or 1/2 what the western world already does mostly under free enterprise. They've done much of it by stealing technology - that only gets you so far. It is something else to reach parity and stay there with the communist party in charge crushing anything that challenges it. China is due for some serious "rough patches"...

At a minimum, the articles below show this is a much discussed subject.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19995218

http://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s-china-worlds-economic-superpower/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/nake-m-kamrany/chinas-rise-to-global-eco_b_6544924.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2016/04/29/global-economic-news-china-will-surpass-the-u-s-in-2018/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-05/us-or-china-worlds-economic-superpower

https://www.thetrumpet.com/15672-the-rise-of-china-as-a-superpower

https://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/doctrine/0046.htm

"Central Planning", these kinds of arguments are about 20 years old or older. Sure, the USA has inadvertently build up China with its trade policy, with giving China, MNF status. I think I would listen to what the experts are discussing.  Sure, China can be bucked but I'm not sure if we have it in us to do that.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2018, 10:08:49 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 10:15:02 AM »
Compared to the USA, maybe China is not an economic superpower,

But there are around 196 countries in the world....lacking other countries to compare it to economically, they are 2nd.

China is up there with the whole of the European community, so yes, I'd say, China is vying to be an economic superpower if they are not.

They are building projects in areas of the world, including I believe some new "silk road", a road from Europe to Asia. They also have a number of billionaires.

"China Is Building A New Silk Road To Europe and Central Asia":
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/china-is-building-new-silk-road-to-central-asia-and-europe-a-1110148.html
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