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Ocasio-Cortez: This 'Medicare for all' plan may be expensive, but think of all the money we'll save in funeral expenses!
by Becket Adams
 | August 09, 2018 11:33 AM



Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has some interesting thoughts about "Medicare for all," the $33 trillion program (conservatively estimated) that she maintains will be affordable. Her core agenda item will provide more Americans with access to healthcare, therefore reducing the problem of funeral expenses, she explained this week during an interview on CNN.

Ocasio-Cortez began by trying to delegitimize a recent Mercatus Center study, which put the price tag of "Medicare for all" at $32 trillion, suggesting the report is really some shadowy attempt by the Koch bogeymen to scare people away from the promised land of universal healthcare. Never mind that it squares with other studies.

“You know, in a Koch brothers-funded study, if any study's going to try to be a little bit slanted it would be one funded by the Koch brothers, it shows that 'Medicare for all' is actually much more – is actually much cheaper than the current system that we pay right now,” she said.

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It sounds like the logic my wife uses when she buys something on sale, how much we saved by buying something.

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It sounds like the logic my wife uses when she buys something on sale, how much we saved by buying something.



Lol....that ocacia is a nut!  I am sure she means, MEDICADE,,,welfare, not Medicare, that people pay for monthly!   We have TWO money items, that are taken out of my property taxes for INDiGENT care.  We have Emergency care, where no one can be turned away.
Each state has medicaid fund, for those, who have no insurance.  Free clinics.  Some people think, if one has health insurance, they will not die. lol

That article did make me laugh  Ignorant  person.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2018, 05:38:34 PM by LegalAmerican »

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Ocacia is talking obamcare. Obama took almost one trillion dollars from our PAID in medicare, and gave it to his Obamacare. Then denied the seniors their health care and raised prices on meds. He gave himself & congress a raise in pay.  Most are millionaires.  He froze the medicare paying seniors, any increase, 4 times, while giving his raise's.  Apparently, some raises did not become  law. Obama did give himself a raise to one million dollars.
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Lol....that ocacia is a nut!  I am sure she means, MEDICADE,,,welfare, not Medicare, that people pay for monthly!   We have TWO money items, that are taken out of my property taxes for INDiGENT care.  We have Emergency care, where no one can be turned away.
Each state has medicaid fund, for those, who have no insurance.  Free clinics.  Some people think, if one has health insurance, they will not die. lol

That article did make me laugh  Ignorant  person.

34 years ago tomorrow, my son was born in a county hospital, so, yes, they do exist.
Our was called Jefferson Davis.
They've closed that one, built a new one called LBJ.
At the time, I was making 4.00 an hour with no insurance.
I did have a job that had insurance, but my wife was already pregnant when I git the job, so it was a pre-existing condition.
I did have to pay still.
I made a whole 10 cents an hour too much to get free health care, LOL, not that I was asking for it anyway.
The was basically the maternity hospital.
The have another regular Hospital, Ben Taub, that is also a Trauma center, where they send the gunshot victims.
So, long story short, in Harris county, where I used to live, they have 2.

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Ocacia is talking obamcare. Obama took almost one trillion dollars from our PAID in medicare, and gave it to his Obamacare. Then denied the seniors their health care and raised prices on meds. He gave himself & congress a raise in pay.  Most are millionaires. His pay hike was 250K to 400k!   He froze the medicare paying seniors, any increase, 4 times, while giving his raise's.

The POTUS salary went from 200K to 400K in 2001.
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The POTUS salary went from 200K to 400K in 2001.


 I would have to research, before I give you that.  Not that MEDIA has anything correct.  Well, I found all kind of info.  So, Obama gave himself a raise to one million dollars?  News to me.  What can we believe?
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WASHINGTON, DC –  President Obama issued an Executive Order raising his salary to $1 million per year.


President Obama understands how much Americans are struggling financially and told reporters yesterday he, too, has been having trouble paying his bills.

“Four hundred thousand dollars a year to be Leader of the Free World, is just not enough.”  Obama told reporters on the golf course on Sunday.  “There are junior traders at Goldman Sachs that make more than that in a week.  Is that fair?”

Obama shocked reporters when he said he issued an Executive Order on Saturday raising his salary to $1 million a year – plus a $200,000 bonus, this year only, for killing Osama Bin Laden.

“Look, let me clear, adjusted for inflation my salary is not even half of what George Washington made.  Now, I don’t want to bring race into this, but is the First Black President worth half as much as the First White President?  I’m just saying… ”



The Presidential pay raise will take effect immediately.

Congress was quick to respond to Obama’s announcement.  “If he gets a pay raise, then I want a pay raise, ” said John Boehner, Speaker of the House.  “Hell, I think the whole damn Congress should get a pay raise.”

Boehner went on to say that in today’s world, members of Congress have to spend half their time raising money, “and that means the Representatives we send to Washington are putting in longer and longer hours trying to raise money so they can keep their seats.  They need to be paid for that time.”

Obama told Boehner he would give Boehner a raise if, and only if, Boehner agrees to raise the debt ceiling.  “Well, that’s a no brainer,” Boehner said.  “Let’s take away the ceiling all together.  Who likes salary caps?”

And yes, the ex-Congressman, Anthony Weiner’s pension will rise as well.



Here’s a history of the salary (and salary raises) for the President of the United States:

1789  $25,000

1873  $50,000

1909  $75,000

1949  $100,000

1969  $200,000

2001  $400,000

2013  $1,000,000



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 I would have to research, before I give you that.  Not that MEDIA has anything correct.  Well, I found all kind of info.  So, Obama gave himself a raise to one million dollars?  News to me.  What can we believe?
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WASHINGTON, DC –  President Obama issued an Executive Order raising his salary to $1 million per year.


President Obama understands how much Americans are struggling financially and told reporters yesterday he, too, has been having trouble paying his bills.

“Four hundred thousand dollars a year to be Leader of the Free World, is just not enough.”  Obama told reporters on the golf course on Sunday.  “There are junior traders at Goldman Sachs that make more than that in a week.  Is that fair?”

Obama shocked reporters when he said he issued an Executive Order on Saturday raising his salary to $1 million a year – plus a $200,000 bonus, this year only, for killing Osama Bin Laden.

“Look, let me clear, adjusted for inflation my salary is not even half of what George Washington made.  Now, I don’t want to bring race into this, but is the First Black President worth half as much as the First White President?  I’m just saying… ”



The Presidential pay raise will take effect immediately.

Congress was quick to respond to Obama’s announcement.  “If he gets a pay raise, then I want a pay raise, ” said John Boehner, Speaker of the House.  “Hell, I think the whole damn Congress should get a pay raise.”

Boehner went on to say that in today’s world, members of Congress have to spend half their time raising money, “and that means the Representatives we send to Washington are putting in longer and longer hours trying to raise money so they can keep their seats.  They need to be paid for that time.”

Obama told Boehner he would give Boehner a raise if, and only if, Boehner agrees to raise the debt ceiling.  “Well, that’s a no brainer,” Boehner said.  “Let’s take away the ceiling all together.  Who likes salary caps?”

And yes, the ex-Congressman, Anthony Weiner’s pension will rise as well.



Here’s a history of the salary (and salary raises) for the President of the United States:

1789  $25,000

1873  $50,000

1909  $75,000

1949  $100,000

1969  $200,000

2001  $400,000

2013  $1,000,000

I sure hope you don't believe that.  I didn't see a link, was that from the Onion?

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I sure hope you don't believe that.  I didn't see a link, was that from the Onion?

Maybe she's including graft...

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The policy debate we should be having is whether health care should be mostly financed by employers (tasked with not only paying for health care but also establishing and administering health care plans),  or whether such burden should be financed through general taxation.  If we assume that health care accounts for about a third of the compensation paid to most workers,  it is easy to see that the savings to employers of tax-financed healthcare is considerable,  and puts such employers on a much more equal footing with their foreign counterparts who do not have to absorb similar expense.   
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If I had it my way, we would go back to the days when the only health insurance you had was "hospitalization."   Back then we didn't have a whole lot of specialists and a patient wasn't separately billed by every doctor, radiologist, phlebotomist, custodian, cafeteria worker and anyone who just said "good morning" to you while you wefe laid up in the hospital. When you went to the doctor, you paid him directly.  And your doctor didn't need an army of billing and insurance clerks to handle all the paperwork, so your doctor bill was rather low. 

But I guess those days are long gone.

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And what we're also not talking about is why aren't we incorporating the cost of all the funeral expenses of those who die because they can't afford access to healthcare? That is part of the cost of our system
Because... well... everybody dies, and the cost of a funeral is pretty much the same no matter when they die. Unless she truly believes Medicare for All will bring immortality, she's not going to cut those costs.

Besides, the longer you prop people up with "health care," the more it's going to cost. Alan Grayson put it bluntly that the cheapest health care is to "die quickly."

This woman is just aimlessly rambling.

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jmyrle wrote:
"This woman is just aimlessly rambling..."

She may be ramblin', and she may be "aimless", but...

...she's running for office in a district in which it's almost a certainty that she's going to be elected...!

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jmyrle wrote:
"This woman is just aimlessly rambling..."

She may be ramblin', and she may be "aimless", but...

...she's running for office in a district in which it's almost a certainty that she's going to be elected...!
Don't be so sure of that. It's New York, where incumbents who lose primaries don't just go away.

Joe Crowley just might Murkowksi this one.

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Maybe she's including graft...


NOT from the onion. Just pointing out, there is all kind of "information out there . 

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Google, before all real information is removed. Again, just pointing out all the "information" out there. I had the amount wrong, but not the info back then.  So, I need to, NOT believe ,,,any of it.
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OBAMA GIVES HIMSELF A RAISE | Weekly World News

WASHINGTON, DC - President Obama issued an Executive Order raising his salary to $1 million per year. President Obama understands how much Americans are struggling financially and told reporters yesterday he, too, has been having trouble paying his bills.
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OBAMA GIVES HIMSELF A RAISE. By Frank Lake on June 4, 2013. WASHINGTON, DC - President Obama issued an Executive Order raising his salary to $1 million per year.


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