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'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« on: July 18, 2018, 05:17:28 pm »

'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
7/16/2018 09:00:00 PM 

At least half the bloodstains on the Holy Shroud of Turin are fake, a new study says. Only some of the stains are compatible with the position of a crucified man, while others do not find justification in any position of the body, either on the cross or in the tomb, said the study carried out by Matteo Borrini of the University of Liverpool and Luigi Garlaschelli of pseudoscience expose group CICAP.

'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
 
The experiment, which used forensic-science methods to reconstruct the formation of the stains, was published in the latest issue of the Journal of Forensic Sciences.

"We did not analyze the substance that formed the stains but we wanted to verify how they could have been formed on the shroud," Borrini told ANSA. To do this, crucifixion was simulated on one of the authors of the study, Garlaschelli, using both real and artificial blood.

https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2018/07/at-least-half-holy-shroud-bloodstains.html
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 06:09:36 pm »
However, the stains on the wrist and in the lumbar area "cannot be justified in any position of the body, either on the cross or after buried", he noted. The experiment showed that one of the stains is entirely unrealistic, one that is shaped like a belt around the lumbar area, due to the possible bleeding after the death from a wound to the side, whether when the body was laid in its burial position or when it was wrapped in the shroud.


Crucifixion was only the last step.  There were causes of additional bleeding before then.

John 19, 1-2

Mark 15, 15-20

Matthew 27, 26-31


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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 11:08:32 pm »
Quote from: thackney on July 18, 2018, 06:09:36 pm


Crucifixion was only the last step.  There were causes of additional bleeding before then.

John 19, 1-2

Mark 15, 15-20

Matthew 27, 26-31



Thanks @thackney couldn't of said it better.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2018, 01:56:45 am »
Quote from: thackney on July 18, 2018, 06:09:36 pm
However, the stains on the wrist and in the lumbar area "cannot be justified in any position of the body, either on the cross or after buried", he noted. The experiment showed that one of the stains is entirely unrealistic, one that is shaped like a belt around the lumbar area, due to the possible bleeding after the death from a wound to the side, whether when the body was laid in its burial position or when it was wrapped in the shroud.


Crucifixion was only the last step.  There were causes of additional bleeding before then.

John 19, 1-2

Mark 15, 15-20

Matthew 27, 26-31


Even painting is difficult to view.....

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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2018, 02:02:41 am »
"science"...

These people make a joke of the word.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2018, 02:25:24 am »
"We did not analyze the substance that formed the stains but we wanted to verify how they could have been formed on the shroud," Borrini told ANSA. To do this, crucifixion was simulated on one of the authors of the study, Garlaschelli, using both real and artificial blood.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2018, 02:34:07 am »
Quote from: mrpotatohead on July 19, 2018, 01:56:45 am
Even painting is difficult to view.....

And that painting does not do it justice at all. If you've ever seen what a cat-o-nine tails can do... It is absolutely horrific.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2018, 05:40:49 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 19, 2018, 02:34:07 am
And that painting does not do it justice at all. If you've ever seen what a cat-o-nine tails can do... It is absolutely horrific.
The weights on the ends of the individual strands of the cat, or even just knots, had a distinct tendency when wielded by a master to shred flesh.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2018, 07:49:32 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 19, 2018, 05:40:49 am
The weights on the ends of the individual strands of the cat, or even just knots, had a distinct tendency when wielded by a master to shred flesh.

Yeah, I made one back in the day for a science project. The one I patterned after had sharpened weights... We tried it out on a dead pig that thing cut right down to bone, and cut the bone. How anyone survived 50 lashes seems unlikely.

There are accounts of Yeshua's crucifixion which say exactly that - That his bones were laid bare (see Psalms for instance)... I take that literally since that experiment...
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2018, 11:30:07 am »
Quote from: mrpotatohead on July 19, 2018, 01:56:45 am
Even painting is difficult to view.....

@mrpotatohead

Far easier than the first pic I grabbed.  The end of the flagellation from Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ.  It made a VERY lasting impression on me.  The words "This is my body, broken for you.  This is my blood, shed for you." have an immense impression on me, after watching that movie.

Too much to post here, I decided.

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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2018, 02:56:55 pm »
Quote from: thackney on July 19, 2018, 11:30:07 am
@mrpotatohead

Far easier than the first pic I grabbed.  The end of the flagellation from Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ.  It made a VERY lasting impression on me.  The words "This is my body, broken for you.  This is my blood, shed for you." have an immense impression on me, after watching that movie.

Too much to post here, I decided.
I saw that movie as well. One word for the portrayal of The Passion: Powerful. You are not the same after you see that movie.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2018, 03:43:58 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 19, 2018, 02:56:55 pm
I saw that movie as well. One word for the portrayal of The Passion: Powerful. You are not the same after you see that movie.

My church at that time did communion once a month.  I was glad I had nearly 3 weeks before the next one.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2018, 06:42:33 pm »
I posted this article here a while ago:

https://hyetert.org/2018/03/29/professor-creates-3d-image-of-jesus-based-on-shroud-of-turin/

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‘I counted 370 wounds from the flagellation, without taking into account the wounds on his sides, which the Shroud doesn’t show because it only enveloped the back and front of the body,’ he said.
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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2018, 03:07:04 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on July 19, 2018, 06:42:33 pm
I posted this article here a while ago:

https://hyetert.org/2018/03/29/professor-creates-3d-image-of-jesus-based-on-shroud-of-turin/

Thank you for the reminder.

L'uomo della Sindone: scolpito nel marmo
(The man of the Shroud: carved in marble)

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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2018, 03:12:22 pm »
Quote from: DB on July 19, 2018, 02:02:41 am
"science"...

These people make a joke of the word.

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Re: 'At least half Holy Shroud bloodstains fake'
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2018, 03:20:06 pm »
So that means some are legit, they're just being pessimists.
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