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« Reply #100 on: June 20, 2018, 01:34:47 am »
...Ask employers whose crops are rotting in the field, or who cannot expand their businesses because they cannot find folks willing to show up on time and do an honest day's work.
...What draws them here is American employers who value their productivity.
American employers value their willingness to work for cheap. Get farm labor rates up above welfare rates and you will see "regular Americans" return to the fields (like the '30's, etc.). Get the hourly equivalent (a lot farm labor is paid a "piece rate" above minimum wage) up to $20.-30./hour and you will see people returning to summer farm work. (And yes, I am willing to pay much more for produce)(And grow/pick some myself).

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« Reply #101 on: June 20, 2018, 01:40:39 am »
This is a huge societal problem we haven't addressed, also:
As these jobs go away, what do we do with these people who have no way of earning a living?
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"They live at the edge of unemployability in modern nations, and the jobs they do get are typically the least prestigious and lowest paying: for example, janitor, food service worker, hospital orderly, or parts assembler in a factory."

This is true, people in the 80s IQ are regarded as "dull normal", in fact down through the 70s.  They have to have a job that is repetitious so decisions don't have to be made.  If those jobs go away, these people will be on welfare.  I can't imagine how different this country will be in 10-15 years as technology races to replace humans.

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Re: Trump: Dems want illegal immigrants to 'infest our country'
« Reply #102 on: June 20, 2018, 01:42:35 am »
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Dictator Trump will lose more Republican women votes due to the crying children without their mother.  Nothing else will matter to them - the children go to their DNA makeup as females.

I am female and applauding the president.
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« Reply #103 on: June 20, 2018, 01:43:58 am »
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Dictator Trump will lose more Republican women votes due to the crying children without their mother.  Nothing else will matter to them - the children go to their DNA makeup as females.

How would you know anything about women.
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« Reply #104 on: June 20, 2018, 01:45:24 am »
I am female and applauding the president.
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You are aware of politics - most women aren't - that is the difference.

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« Reply #105 on: June 20, 2018, 01:47:10 am »
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You are aware of politics - most women aren't - that is the difference.

Well then why don't we just give in and become good little liberals because that's what women want.

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« Reply #106 on: June 20, 2018, 01:48:24 am »
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You are aware of politics - most women aren't - that is the difference.

I don't know what state you live in but it doesn't take politics to notice illegal aliens and the effects of.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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« Reply #107 on: June 20, 2018, 01:52:43 am »
I don't know what state you live in but it doesn't take politics to notice illegal aliens and the effects of.
She was around when the Alamo was over run .  She probably had a front row seat ..on the Mexican side.
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« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2018, 01:52:58 am »
This is true, people in the 80s IQ are regarded as "dull normal", in fact down through the 70s.  They have to have a job that is repetitious so decisions don't have to be made.  If those jobs go away, these people will be on welfare.  I can't imagine how different this country will be in 10-15 years as technology races to replace humans.
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And this doesn't even get into those who have physical or mental issues that prevent them from being productive.

There's another terrifying correlation out there: violence correlates not with poverty, but with wealth inequality.  We either go down the sewer of socialist-style wealth redistribution, or we continue on the path of greater wealth inequality and the instability that fosters, or we find a smart solution.  Why do I have low hopes for us?

Some of the cyberpunk speculations have come true; some seem laughable.  But I can see "have nots" scrambling to survive and turning their desperation against a more and more insular "haves" side of things.  All the flag-waving and rah-rah capitalism doesn't answer these questions in and of themselves.  We need to have nuanced solutions that employ those tools, but not as crude measures.



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« Reply #109 on: June 20, 2018, 01:53:44 am »
@Suppressed I was born in Kansas City...grew up in W. Texas and currently call Kentucky home.

I've probably picked up little language "isms" from everywhere thanks to my time in the Army.
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Re: Trump: Dems want illegal immigrants to 'infest our country'
« Reply #110 on: June 20, 2018, 01:57:20 am »
Well then why don't we just give in and become good little liberals because that's what women want.

I have two children and I would never drag them across rivers, or through deserts to gain a buck.  I wouldn't abandon my children to come to America.  I surely would not have my children come alone from one country to another relying on criminals to get them there.  I think it is all child abuse.  Certainly children do cry.  I am sure all children that witness their parents being handcuffed or placed into a cop car are going to cry.  Duh, I am not stupid.  But are they going to be safe without them at the facility?  Absolutely. 
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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« Reply #111 on: June 20, 2018, 01:59:35 am »
I have two children and I would never drag them across rivers, or through deserts to gain a buck.  I wouldn't abandon my children to come to America.  I surely would not have my children come alone from one country to another relying on criminals to get them there.  I think it is all child abuse.  Certainly children do cry.  I am sure all children that witness their parents being handcuffed or placed into a cop car are going to cry.  Duh, I am not stupid.  But are they going to be safe without them at the facility?  Absolutely.

Women that are upset about this, just prove that Jack Nicholson was right in "As Good As It Gets."

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« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2018, 02:01:17 am »
Women that are upset about this, just prove that Jack Nicholson was right in "As Good As It Gets."

That movie sucked.
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« Reply #113 on: June 20, 2018, 02:02:09 am »
That movie sucked.

But the line was good.

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« Reply #114 on: June 20, 2018, 02:04:07 am »
Women that are upset about this, just prove that Jack Nicholson was right in "As Good As It Gets."

Embarrassing, but I guess I never saw that one.
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« Reply #115 on: June 20, 2018, 02:07:04 am »
Isn't that the problem?  We have come to rely on cheap labor and leave it to the taxpayer to provide what the company won't.  Low wages = welfare, but not so much for citizens.  When illegals move to the neighborhood several families to a home.  Then they all apply for whatever benefits they can get.

Right, @Chosen Daughter ...but what's the solution?  Whose responsibility is it to care for those who cannot earn enough to live? 

Nobody's...we let them die in the street?

Or do we dump it on the churches and those who are generous, making them pick up the whole tab?

Or is it all of our responsibility?

I know the lefties would say, "Make employers pay a living wage so the businesses bear the cost!" but we know that won't work because the businesses can't compete then.



And do we care whether American businesses go out of business?  If not, then stop the competitive labor to them.  But if we care, then how do we make it so they compete when a competitor can just go elsewhere and access cheap labor?


Sure, it's the dirty little secret that we as conservatives don't want to face, but some people can't generate enough to pay for their cost to live.
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« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2018, 02:07:59 am »
@Suppressed I was born in Kansas City...grew up in W. Texas and currently call Kentucky home.

I've probably picked up little language "isms" from everywhere thanks to my time in the Army.

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« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2018, 02:08:30 am »
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« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2018, 02:23:23 am »
Right, @Chosen Daughter ...but what's the solution?  Whose responsibility is it to care for those who cannot earn enough to live? 

Nobody's...we let them die in the street?

Or do we dump it on the churches and those who are generous, making them pick up the whole tab?

Or is it all of our responsibility?

I know the lefties would say, "Make employers pay a living wage so the businesses bear the cost!" but we know that won't work because the businesses can't compete then.



And do we care whether American businesses go out of business?  If not, then stop the competitive labor to them.  But if we care, then how do we make it so they compete when a competitor can just go elsewhere and access cheap labor?


Sure, it's the dirty little secret that we as conservatives don't want to face, but some people can't generate enough to pay for their cost to live.

I guess to keep our dirty little secret we must call all Americans lazy and that is why corporations must go to illegal immigrants for labor right?  I think Trump may have the right idea's.  We have really screwed our citizens with Free Trade, not fair trade.  And those very people who struggle to keep a manufacturing job.  Who struggle to pay the mortgage and the property tax increase every election due to increases in education and welfare.  The people who struggle are the ones strapped with the burden placed on them by corporations and dirty politics.
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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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« Reply #119 on: June 20, 2018, 02:25:38 am »
Well then why don't we just give in and become good little liberals because that's what women want.
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I am only speaking of this one event effect on women.  They will remember pictures of children behind "bars" and the crying/wanting their mothers.  Women not up on politics won't vote for a man they think caused this.  Their psychological makeup will cause them to remember this and blame Trump and not vote for him.

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« Reply #120 on: June 20, 2018, 02:27:43 am »
@dfwgator

I am only speaking of this one event effect on women.  They will remember pictures of children behind "bars" and the crying/wanting their mothers.  Women not up on politics won't vote for a man they think caused this.  Their psychological makeup will cause them to remember this and blame Trump and not vote for him.

Not my problem,  what's right is right, and it doesn't depend on what some touchy-feely Oprah-loving women think.

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« Reply #121 on: June 20, 2018, 02:30:32 am »
Not my problem,  what's right is right, and it doesn't depend on what some touchy-feely Oprah-loving women think.

My mother DNA says otherwise.  Not all women are stupid.  (only the ones who need help from Oprah)
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« Reply #122 on: June 20, 2018, 02:31:43 am »
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I am only speaking of this one event effect on women.  They will remember pictures of children behind "bars" and the crying/wanting their mothers.  Women not up on politics won't vote for a man they think caused this.  Their psychological makeup will cause them to remember this and blame Trump and not vote for him.

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« Reply #123 on: June 20, 2018, 02:33:25 am »
I don't know what state you live in but it doesn't take politics to notice illegal aliens and the effects of.
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Most women won't connect the two, effects of illegals and the children behind bars and
crying.  They see the children, hear the crying and it is that registering that will cause them not to vote for the person they think caused it and they see it on TV every day - the small children behind bars/crying, and the statements Trump caused it.  I am pointing out what that psychologically does to them.

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« Reply #124 on: June 20, 2018, 02:34:29 am »
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And this doesn't even get into those who have physical or mental issues that prevent them from being productive.

There's another terrifying correlation out there: violence correlates not with poverty, but with wealth inequality.  We either go down the sewer of socialist-style wealth redistribution, or we continue on the path of greater wealth inequality and the instability that fosters, or we find a smart solution.  Why do I have low hopes for us?

Some of the cyberpunk speculations have come true; some seem laughable.  But I can see "have nots" scrambling to survive and turning their desperation against a more and more insular "haves" side of things.  All the flag-waving and rah-rah capitalism doesn't answer these questions in and of themselves.  We need to have nuanced solutions that employ those tools, but not as crude measures.

I have heard both thoughtful liberals and conservatives touting the idea of a guaranteed minimum income as a remedial measure for technology-driven wealth inequality.   What say you, @Suppressed ?
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