Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I guess you didn't bother to read my next post, where I put the statistic from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Interesting.  You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time.   

@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time.
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.

[dfwgator]

@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time.
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.

Well, the welfare state isn't going away anytime soon.  Pukes and Rats both will see to that.

[GrouchoTex]

It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"

A moot point, as none of the workforce is supposed to be illegal.
An online search found PEW research saying 5.1 percent as of 2012, or 8.1 million
Odd that they would know that, since they are illegal.

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time.
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.

Sort of.  If we were talking about imported, and by implication, needed workers, then yes, we agree.  ^-^

[GtHawk]

Sort of.  If we were talking about imported, and by implication, needed workers, then yes, we agree.  ^-^

The problem is under the current rules, even imported workers, let's just be honest and call them legal, very often to say the least are a welfare burden, having children they can't afford paid for by the state and receiving 'aid' to house, feed and provide medical treatment.

[Sanguine]

The problem is under the current rules, even imported workers, let's just be honest and call them legal, very often to say the least are a welfare burden, having children they can't afford paid for by the state and receiving 'aid' to house, feed and provide medical treatment.

Oh, I know.  It was a very narrowly-defined point of agreement.

[driftdiver]

Well, the welfare state isn't going away anytime soon.  Pukes and Rats both will see to that.

@dfwgator
America's unfunded liabilities would beg to differ with your statement that welfare won't go away.  One way or another it will go away eventually.

$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.

[INVAR]

$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.

It only 'goes away' when the entire economic system collapses under the weight - Coward-Piven by another means.

[dfwgator]

@dfwgator
America's unfunded liabilities would beg to differ with your statement that welfare won't go away.  One way or another it will go away eventually.

$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.

Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending

[Sanguine]

Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending

Shouldn't have signed the damned thing.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending

When I was a republican I would have argued that 48 GOP Senators voted to cut spending.  Now I recognize that it's a ploy where the republicans point at the rats and the rats point at the GOP and nothing gets fixed.

[dfwgator]

When I was a republican I would have argued that 48 GOP Senators voted to cut spending.  Now I recognize that it's a ploy where the republicans point at the rats and the rats point at the GOP and nothing gets fixed.

Yep.

[dfwgator]

Ok Laura, you happy now?

Now STFU!

[TomSea]

Crocodile Tears,

Schumer rejected the deal... it's all false compassion because these people are not consistent on the issues, where are these great displays of compassion for domestic matters?

And as they said, Obama did the same thing, this is just political football and political theater.



If neither is getting things done, that's on your back, I know our president is.

Who needs the faux compassion.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Ok Laura, you happy now?

Now STFU!

https://twitter.com/laurawbush

She has not tweeted since.

[TomSea]

Interesting.  You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time.   

We should all answer @Sanguine fully since 80-90% of the time, that just means answering a sentence.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Crocodile Tears,

<snip>

If neither is getting things done, that's on your back, I know our president is.

Who needs the faux compassion.

@TomSea
I applaud the President for recognizing his policy was unpopular, swallowing his pride, and reversing course.  I think it shows him to be a stronger leader and smarter than I thought.  People make mistakes.  Smart people recognize their mistakes.  Wise people correct them and learn from them.  Hopefully President Trump's base recognizes this was a lost battle and the reversal was the best course of action.

[Sanguine]

We should all answer @Sanguine fully since 80-90% of the time, that just means answering a sentence.

True.  I like getting to the point.

[Emjay]

True.  I like getting to the point.

If we're still talking about the children, I saw that border agent that some CNN babe was gonna lead to the slaughter and he was so down to earth and honest.  But he did point out the horror that these parents put their children through.  Omigosh.  They give the girls birth control pills because they fully expect them to be raped along the way.  These 'parents' also know that the kids may not make the arduous journey.

The parents are the villains in this piece.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

The parents are the villains in this piece.

As usual.

[Chosen Daughter]

It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"

You know that you can look that information up yourself don't you?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You know that you can look that information up yourself don't you?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs

Thank you for the link.

[Chosen Daughter]

Thank you for the link.

I hope that it helps you see the real and problematic issue of illegal immigration.  Many people just don't see the issue because it doesn't affect them.  In some cases with businesses and corporations they benefit.  All those people do work, and therefore are taking American jobs and driving down our wages.  Not only that but they know how to work the system and we end up paying to support their families.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I hope that it helps you see the real and problematic issue of illegal immigration.  Many people just don't see the issue because it doesn't affect them.  In some cases with businesses and corporations they benefit.  All those people do work, and therefore are taking American jobs and driving down our wages.  Not only that but they know how to work the system and we end up paying to support their families.

The link reinforces my own opinion which is I have nothing to fear from foreign workers, they are not suppressing my wages.  I'm glad so many are working, and I would submit these workers pay for their children's education by renting or paying property tax on a home.  I'm sorry we don't agree. 

I don't think a wall is going to get built.  I think Trump's zero tolerance policy will eventually collapse under the weight of the huge increase in resources needed to incarcerate everybody.

America lost its mind over 2000 separated children.  There are millions of illegals and we know Trump blinks when the people get loud.  I'm fine with the de facto amnesty of nothing getting changed.