Manafort ordered to jail, bail revoked on witness tampering charge

[Oceander]

The only reason Mueller picked this up (after being dropped before), and is pushing for Manafort to be thrown in the slammer forever, is because he wants Manafort to turn on Trump and accuse him of eating babies.

You have proof of this?

[Fantasywriter]

Then there are some of us who have been saying for a long time they are all 'black hats'. They are all a bunch of corrupt crooks fighting each other.

That's about where I am, Trump excepted.

[Oceander]

That's about where I am, Trump excepted.

[ABX]

That's about where I am, Trump excepted.

..and I'm in the camp he is one of the biggest of them all- he is just good at marketing himself. He is like Gotti talking about all the good he did for his community, but if you look at how Trump operated for his entire history, it was the same crap we complain about all other 'political donor class' people. Trump just has a reality television demeanor which is good for marketing.

But all that's for a different thread.

Manafort has always been corrupt, in spite of his current association.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You mind if I laugh with you? 

[Cyber Liberty]

You have proof of this?

Sure, the day Mueller comes clean with his true intentions.  Until then, my proof is the same as the pro-Mueller folks who insist he's a straight-arrow.  Speculation.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Manafort has always been corrupt, in spite of his current association.

So I'm wondering why Trump hasn't thrown him under the bus like so many before Manafort?

[Oceander]

Sure, the day Mueller comes clean with his true intentions.  Until then, my proof is the same as the pro-Mueller folks who insist he's a straight-arrow.  Speculation.

In other words, no.   

[ABX]

So I'm wondering why Trump hasn't thrown him under the bus like so many before Manafort?

Manafort and Stone know all the dirty laundry, especially for those who come out of the N.Y. donor class. Stone even bragged as much a while back (pre Trump).

[Oceander]

So I'm wondering why Trump hasn't thrown him under the bus like so many before Manafort?

He can’t get much more under the bus than he is now, can he?

[Restored]

IIRC he did not report the money he got from the Soviets but all the stories seem to be avoiding an details because they might confuse the readers. 

[Cyber Liberty]

In other words, no.

Same as you, if you wish to assert otherwise.  The difference is, I make no claims to have "special information."

[Formerly Once-Ler]

He can’t get much more under the bus than he is now, can he?

maybe.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-trump-could-shoot-james-comey-still-not-get-indicted-2018-6

[Oceander]

Same as you, if you wish to assert otherwise.  The difference is, I make no claims to have "special information."

Same as me what?  I’m not the one trying to prove Manaforts innocence by casting unproven aspersions on the prosecutor. 

[INVAR]

So why aren't Hildabeast, Abedin, Wasserman-Schultz, Lerner and Comey in orange jumpsuits having their bail decided for much greater and far more heinous crimes?

I don't give a crap about Manafort supposed "crimes" because obviously some political and treasonous crimes are more equal than others apparently.

[Oceander]

So why aren't Hildabeast, Abedin, Wasserman-Schultz, Lerner and Comey in orange jumpsuits having their bail decided for much greater and far more heinous crimes?

I don't give a crap about Manafort supposed "crimes" because obviously some political and treasonous crimes are more equal than others apparently.

Ask Trump.  He could have them prosecuted if he really cared to.

[driftdiver]

Ask Trump.  He could have them prosecuted if he really cared to.

By Whom?  The FBI and DOJ??!!

 

[ABX]

By Whom?  The FBI and DOJ??!!

 

They are executive branch agencies. The DOJ is run by Jeff Sessions who can order an investigation and prosecution.  He can, with a signature, stop or change most of this (not all but most).

I think Trump believes he is best served if this entire issue stays alive and active. Right from The Art of the Deal: "It doesn't matter what they say about you, as long as they are talking about you"

As long as there is the 'witch hunt' it galvanizes his followers behind him. He has positioned his entire marketing gambit on 'he is the people and the people are him' (my phrase)- so as long as there appears to be a witch hunt against him, his supporters will feel as though it is an attack on them and it will strengthen loyalty. Even if he shot James Comey on 5th Avenue, if they tried to prosecute him for that, it would be used the same way.

Like most politicians in the game, it isn't about resolution- that's the last thing they want. It is about keeping the issue alive.

[Cyber Liberty]

Same as me what?  I’m not the one trying to prove Manaforts innocence by casting unproven aspersions on the prosecutor.

I'm not trying to prove Manafort's innocence either.  Any aspersions I may cast the Prosecutor's way are irrelevant.

That's an interesting choice of words you used there:  "Trying to Prove Manafort's innocence."  I thought our legal system provides for "innocent until proven guilty."  I'm glad you set me straight on what Mueller is doing here.

[ABX]

I'm not trying to prove Manafort's innocence either.  Any aspersions I may cast the Prosecutor's way are irrelevant.

That's an interesting choice of words you used there:  "Trying to Prove Manafort's innocence."  I thought our legal system provides for "innocent until proven guilty."  I'm glad you set me straight on what Mueller is doing here.

Manafort has already admitted all sorts of guilt in a lot of this, including a few things we would be screaming about if he had a "D" behind his name- including being an unregistered foreign agent for the Russians interests in Ukraine and for Turkey.

Example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-files-as-foreign-agent-for-ukraine-work/2017/06/27/8322b6ac-5b7b-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html?utm_term=.a6c5e9cc108a

http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-registering-with-us-as-foreign-agent-2017-4

[Oceander]

I'm not trying to prove Manafort's innocence either.  Any aspersions I may cast the Prosecutor's way are irrelevant.

That's an interesting choice of words you used there:  "Trying to Prove Manafort's innocence."  I thought our legal system provides for "innocent until proven guilty."  I'm glad you set me straight on what Mueller is doing here.

Whatever.  Since you want to play with straw men and fake arguments, please don’t involve me.

[GrouchoTex]

What you are missing is that something that happened under the Bush administration is now needed to smear Trump.

..and into the Obama administration, but I definitely get your point.

[dfwgator]

Seems to me it should be a plus in Trump's corner that he dumped him.

[Oceander]

Manafort has already admitted all sorts of guilt in a lot of this, including a few things we would be screaming about if he had a "D" behind his name- including being an unregistered foreign agent for the Russians interests in Ukraine and for Turkey.

Example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-files-as-foreign-agent-for-ukraine-work/2017/06/27/8322b6ac-5b7b-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html?utm_term=.a6c5e9cc108a

http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-registering-with-us-as-foreign-agent-2017-4

And they already have an email exchange between Manafort and Gates in which they create a fraudulent income statement for Manafort’s business by converting a pdf to word, editing the word document, and converting it back to pdf, in order to add about 3.5 million to his income.  The doctored document was then submitted in support of a loan application.  Pretty damning case of bank fraud. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Whatever.  Since you want to play with straw men and fake arguments, please don’t involve me.

Done.  Trash what I say all you want, I've grown rather used to it.  You honor me.

I am not alone with my suspicions of Mueller's motivation re: Manafort.  A certain Judge named "T.S. Ellis III" agrees with my theory about that.