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Ben is the guy who quit Breitbart because, as he said (paraphrasing) the Michelle Fields incident was the straw that broke the camel's back after watching Steve Bannon allow the site to become a Trump propaganda outlet.  We could get into the merits of defending that idiot loser Corey Lewandoski, but I'll pass on the hijack.


Here's the problem with that spin. Later videos showed that Lewandowski was right and nothing happened. Michelle Fields was a liar and Ben never apologized about being wrong.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-drop-battery-charges-against-trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-n556051

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I read the article, and I didn't see what happened that constitutes a "horrible debacle".  If it doesn't work, we're right back where we were 3 months ago...how is that a "horrible debacle"?

I think Byron York's piece was much, much better.  Basically, Trump is trying a different approach.  It may work, it may not, but it's worth giving it a shot since we haven't yet given up anything of real value.

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Exactly what is a neocon to you, jpsb?

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George W Bush is the gold standard for a neocon. A liberal warmonger.

Neocons invaded that GOP back in the 60s, 70s and 80s. They left the Rat party for the GOP
because the Rat party was the "peace party" under McGovern. They took over the GOP with W and
set the middle east and north Africa on fire. Thanks goodness the paleocons are back in power. We still have a lot of Bush republicans in elected office but their numbers are fading. Trump is
remaking the GOP into a much better party.

Ben, IIRC, was a big cheer leader for the war with Iraq. That makes him a neocon in my eyes.


Thermonuclear thanks for the correction.
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Spapiro, Goldberg are interchangeable with a lot of Op-Edy types, for writing "On the One Hand; On the Other."

I would pay more attention to Pat Buchanan.
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I read the article, and I didn't see what happened that constitutes a "horrible debacle".  If it doesn't work, we're right back where we were 3 months ago...how is that a "horrible debacle"?

I think Byron York's piece was much, much better.  Basically, Trump is trying a different approach.  It may work, it may not, but it's worth giving it a shot since we haven't yet given up anything of real value.

@Maj. Bill Martin he didn't say it was a debacle.  What Shapiro was saying is that it's still up in the air how this will turn out.  There's a 50-50 chance it will go either way.
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Spapiro, Goldberg are interchangeable with a lot of Op-Edy types, for writing "One the One Hand; On the Othe."

I would pay more attention to Pat Buchanan.

You put more stock in an isolationist anti Semite?

Interesting.
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@Maj. Bill Martin he didn't say it was a debacle.  What Shapiro was saying is that it's still up in the air how this will turn out.  There's a 50-50 chance it will go either way.

And what I'm saying is that he didn't offer any scenario explaining why failure had to mean "horrible debacle."  He didn't say "if this doesn't work...." and then explain what that "horrible debacle" would be.  He didn't explain why there was no "middle ground", or why "resume hard-line approach" wasn't just as likely an outcome of failure.

This seems far more like "no harm in trying" to me, and he didn't even attempt to make the case as to why that wasn't true.


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Spapiro, Goldberg are interchangeable with a lot of Op-Edy types, for writing "One the One Hand; On the Othe."

I would pay more attention to Pat Buchanan.

Tell me about it. Goldberg is a Class A loser. He spun off the rails that the NORK flag was next to ours at the summit. It's some of the most absurd Beltway bullshit over this meeting to date.
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Spapiro, Goldberg are interchangeable with a lot of Op-Edy types, for writing "One the One Hand; On the Othe."

I would pay more attention to Pat Buchanan.

@truth_seeker

Lol, so their fairness and willing to judge Trump case by case is a losing deal for you.

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I'll read Shapiro and Goldberg a lot sooner than I will Brietbart.

I used to like reading all 3, but Bannon had an agenda, and it just wasn't the same anymore.

Shapiro and Goldberg get it from both sides, AT's after him when they criticize and NT's after him when they praise.
They can't win for losing.

Neo-Cons?
I just don't see it, unless the meaning of Neo-con has changed over the years.



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And what I'm saying is that he didn't offer any scenario explaining why failure had to mean "horrible debacle."  He didn't say "if this doesn't work...." and then explain what that "horrible debacle" would be.  He didn't explain why there was no "middle ground", or why "resume hard-line approach" wasn't just as likely an outcome of failure.

This seems far more like "no harm in trying" to me, and he didn't even attempt to make the case as to why that wasn't true.

Is it still "no harm in trying" now that Trump is saying he's willing to overlook Kim's human rights abuses in the quest for denuclearization?
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Is it still "no harm in trying" now that Trump is saying he's willing to overlook Kim's human rights abuses in the quest for denuclearization?

Yes. 


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