Author Topic: 'Net neutrality' ends, your internet provider can change how you use the internet (Read 2164 times)

driftdiver · « **on:** June 11, 2018, 08:10:36 pm »

http://www.fox13news.com/consumer/-net-neutrality-ends-your-internet-provider-can-change-how-you-use-the-internet

NEW YORK (AP) - Your ability to watch and use your favorite apps and services could start to change -- though not right away -- following the official demise Monday of Obama-era internet protections.

Any changes are likely to happen slowly, as companies assess how much consumers will tolerate.

The repeal of "net neutrality" took effect six months after the Federal Communications Commission voted to undo the rules, which had barred broadband and cellphone companies from favoring their own services and discriminating against rivals such as Netflix.

dfwgator · « **Reply #1 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:12:17 pm »

Monkeys COULD fly out of my butt.

driftdiver · « **Reply #2 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:17:05 pm »

Will the internet providers start charging more for connectivity to their competitors?

hmmm

WingNot · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:18:27 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on June 11, 2018, 08:12:17 pm

Monkeys COULD fly out of my butt.

And circle Uranus?

It's Dead Jim.

Suppressed · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:35:38 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on June 11, 2018, 08:12:17 pm

Monkeys COULD fly out of my butt.

But this actually will happen.

dfwgator · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:39:52 pm »

Quote from: Suppressed on June 11, 2018, 08:35:38 pm

But this actually will happen.

Then why didn't they do it before the so-called "Net Neutrality" was passed?

Suppressed · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2018, 08:56:50 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on June 11, 2018, 08:39:52 pm

Then why didn't they do it before the so-called "Net Neutrality" was passed?

Because it fell under "common carrier", which effectively gave net neutrality. However, companies have still tried to violate it and have been fined

InHeavenThereIsNoBeer · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2018, 10:35:28 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on June 11, 2018, 08:39:52 pm

Then why didn't they do it before the so-called "Net Neutrality" was passed?

Speaking as someone who as worked for and with several of them, well, what makes you think they didn't?

WingNot · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2018, 10:37:28 pm »

Let the damn free market work it out. The Gubbermint needed to GTFO and it did. Lets rock.

Bigun · « **Reply #9 on:** June 11, 2018, 10:38:54 pm »

Quote from: Wingnut on June 11, 2018, 10:37:28 pm

Let the damn free market work it out. The Gubbermint needed to GTFO and it did. Lets rock.

and

again.

txradioguy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:10:30 pm »

And yet nothing has changed with my internet...

driftdiver · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:25:42 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on June 11, 2018, 10:38:54 pm

and again.

@Wingnut @Bigun

How is it a free market? A very small number of companies own all the infrastructure. They've been caught colluding and price fixing numerous times. They write the federal regulations and are determined to keep prices inflated.

They'll introduce the changes slowly to avoid public backlash which could jeopardize the policy.

Bigun · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:28:58 pm »

Quote from: driftdiver on June 12, 2018, 01:25:42 pm

@Wingnut @Bigun

How is it a free market? A very small number of companies own all the infrastructure. They've been caught colluding and price fixing numerous times. They write the federal regulations and are determined to keep prices inflated.

They'll introduce the changes slowly to avoid public backlash which could jeopardize the policy.

@driftdiver

As far as I know, there is nothing to prevent anyone who cares to jumping in and competing. THAT my friend is a free market!

txradioguy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:31:03 pm »

Quote from: driftdiver on June 12, 2018, 01:25:42 pm

@Wingnut @Bigun

How is it a free market? A very small number of companies own all the infrastructure. They've been caught colluding and price fixing numerous times. They write the federal regulations and are determined to keep prices inflated.

And yet in 2010 when the NN advocates first tried to implement their statist internet agenda they could only find four times where this so called collusion actually happened.

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They'll introduce the changes slowly to avoid public backlash which could jeopardize the policy.

And that's where the free market will take over. Smaller ISP's will pop up offering unlimited unthrottled internet at a price that beats the cabal if ISP's that you speak of.

And while I'm thinking about it...if what you say is true...why haven't the cell phone companies engaged in the same kind of shenanigans everyone is fearful the ISP's will do?

driftdiver · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:33:59 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on June 12, 2018, 01:28:58 pm

@driftdiver

As far as I know, there is nothing to prevent anyone who cares to jumping in and competing. THAT my friend is a free market!

@Bigun
Right.... nothing other then a few tens of billion dollars in infrastructure. Meanwhile the telecoms control federal regulations which can easily push out any startups.

txradioguy · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:34:05 pm »

For those who think NN is all that and a bag of chips consider this:

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Additionally, the FCC also has the power to "partially regulate the capital investment of existing companies" and determine "which companies (if any) can enter the ISP market," per Tuttle. In total, the Internet being under Title II's jurisdiction puts "nearly $1 trillion of GDP and 2.5 million jobs under a new regulatory regime," according to the American Action Forum. And what the FCC constitute's as "abuse" can be changed at any moment.
What this means is that Title II entrenches the FCC's tentacles into the ISP market and controls it with an iron fist.

<snip>

The FCC can also subject ISPs to a slew of taxes under Title II. Per Tuttle, the FCC has the power to levy taxes against companies subject to Title II. Tuttle points out that "telecommunications companies are generally subject to higher state and municipal taxes than other businesses."

Between the onerous taxes and regulations, the FCC could make it more difficult for smaller ISPs to thrive in the market while increasing costs for consumers.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/18613/7-reasons-net-neutrality-idiotic-aaron-bandler

txradioguy · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:34:52 pm »

Quote from: driftdiver on June 12, 2018, 01:33:59 pm

@Bigun
Right.... nothing other then a few tens of billion dollars in infrastructure. Meanwhile the telecoms control federal regulations which can easily push out any startups.

Meanwhile under NN the FCC can do the exact same thing.

driftdiver · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:36:00 pm »

Quote from: txradioguy on June 12, 2018, 01:31:03 pm

And yet in 2010 when the NN advocates first tried to implement their statist internet agenda they could only find four times where this so called collusion actually happened.

And that's where the free market will take over. Smaller ISP's will pop up offering unlimited unthrottled internet at a price that beats the cabal if ISP's that you speak of.

And while I'm thinking about it...if what you say is true...why haven't the cell phone companies engaged in the same kind of shenanigans everyone is fearful the ISP's will do?

@txradioguy
Until the small ISPs find a solution for the last mile (from the POP to the home) with fiber speeds there can be no alternatives.

If the market is so free now why do all the companies have the same plans and the same rates? Why do they all change billing models at the same time?

I've worked in Telecom and still have customers in telecom.

Restored · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:37:08 pm »

Throttling is necessary when people use up too much bandwidth. I remember the days of students running porn servers in their apartments to make money. When I was on vacation in May, our download speed was .6 mps. Mine at home is like 260 mps. Clearly something is messed up. I don't want .6 and I don't need 260.

If you support Net Neutrality, you basically support Trump being in charge of the internet. That's what I tell liberals when they come unglued.

txradioguy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:42:20 pm »

Quote from: driftdiver on June 12, 2018, 01:36:00 pm

@txradioguy
Until the small ISPs find a solution for the last mile (from the POP to the home) with fiber speeds there can be no alternatives.

If the market is so free now why do all the companies have the same plans and the same rates? Why do they all change billing models at the same time?

I've worked in Telecom and still have customers in telecom.

Actually where I live they don't. If everyone had the "same plans and same rates" as you claim...there would only be one company everywhere in the country. A National Broadband company...similar to how Deutsche Telcom rules the roost in Germany.

What I was paying and getting from Spectrum when I lived on post is completely different from what I'm getting from Windstream now that I have my own home.

I had choices between fiber cable and dsl when I made my switch...with speed choices between 25mbps and 100 mbps with pricing to match.

And as for the last mile issue...there's always satellite internet. I had that in Germany as well when again T Mobile (a.k.a. Deutsche Telcom) didn't provide service into the villiage where I lived.

There are ways...and the free market will always find a way...it's not up to the Government to pick the winners and losers in this or anything related to the free market.

driftdiver · « **Reply #20 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:42:52 pm »

Quote from: Restored on June 12, 2018, 01:37:08 pm

Throttling is necessary when people use up too much bandwidth. I remember the days of students running porn servers in their apartments to make money. When I was on vacation in May, our download speed was .6 mps. Mine at home is like 260 mps. Clearly something is messed up. I don't want .6 and I don't need 260.

If you support Net Neutrality, you basically support Trump being in charge of the internet. That's what I tell liberals when they come unglued.

@Restored
And thats how they've muddled this issue. The definitions are all twisted and confusion reigns. The prior policy said the ISPs had to treat all customers the same, and treat all data the same. To me that is what the govt should do and then stop. Kinda like the electric company.

Now the govt is allowing ISPs to treat customers and data differently. Which means they can suppress anything they want, like google does with conservative ideas. It also means they can suppress competitors traffic.

As for the bandwidth, thats easy. They sell you a certain bandwidth and limit you to that bandwidth. The problem you describe is only a problem with companies that use technology which shares the bandwidth between customers.

txradioguy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2018, 01:43:58 pm »

Quote from: Restored on June 12, 2018, 01:37:08 pm

If you support Net Neutrality, you basically support Trump being in charge of the internet. That's what I tell liberals when they come unglued.

@Restored and people can say "oh Trump will never do anything to shut down the internet"...and while that may be true...he's not always going to be President and there will be a radical Obama style Liberal in office again at some point who WILL feel they are in charge of the internet.

Restored · « **Reply #22 on:** June 12, 2018, 02:17:54 pm »

Quote from: driftdiver on June 12, 2018, 01:42:52 pm

Now the govt is allowing ISPs to treat customers and data differently. Which means they can suppress anything they want, like google does with conservative ideas. It also means they can suppress competitors traffic.

They were already restricting conservatives so Net Neutrality has no bearing on that. They were shutting down sites for "Hate" and restricting access to sites via ISP-driven "parental controls". It's why you can get to FR on some routers. It's also why most of Usenet disappeared from some ISP's.

dfwgator · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2018, 02:24:01 pm »

The "Net Neutrality Act" made the Net Neutral, like the "Affordable Health Care Act" made health care affordable.

Elderberry · « **Reply #24 on:** June 12, 2018, 02:48:18 pm »

Today is the first time I have received a connection refusal like this:

451: Unavailable for legal reasons

We recognise you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore cannot grant you access at this time.

This is where I was trying to connect to:http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/