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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2018, 01:28:15 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on June 08, 2018, 01:20:36 pm

Secondly, I've already explained that I am honoring the demand from ForeverTrump's® that those who were not on Trump's train from the beginning are not permitted to 'ride his coattails of victory' when good news is announced' and applaud it.

So Trump gets no public acknowledgement in the affirmative from me per request.



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Are you a man,or a 13 year old girl playing "Junior Bitch" games?

You DO know this is about America and her future,not YOU personally,right?
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2018, 01:48:40 pm »
Quote from: sneakypete on June 08, 2018, 01:28:15 pm
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Are you a man,or a 13 year old girl playing "Junior Bitch" games?

That's illegal nowadays Pete.  You must use the proper gender pronoun that someone currently self-identifies as in positive affirmation or face a potential lawsuit and government mandated sensitivity training, notwithstanding the bathrooms at Target.

Just a friendly reminder of cultural policy.

That said - what is so wrong with honoring the demands of ForeverTrumps®?  I mean they are usually quite grumpy that we do not listen to them and do as they ask.  I admit it is confusing because one minute we were told Trump did not need nor want our support - then we were told we may not give public accolades because we did not earn the right to bask in victory, and the next we are excoriated for not praising Trump for all his miraculous accomplishments.

Since I disdain government to it's core anyway and consider it nothing but an evil - it's much easier to honor the request that I not cheerlead Trump because I did not 'earn the right' to do so. 
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2018, 02:03:37 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 01:25:44 pm
Yeah, and the average between 1950 and now is 58.1%. It's a meaningless number now because we have a massive generation retiring at higher numbers by the day. That doesn't mean these people are sitting at home on welfare. It means they are retiring.

Then you agree that a 1% drop in unemployment since Trump was elected is not a big deal?
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2018, 02:29:59 pm »
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2018, 02:35:55 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 08, 2018, 02:03:37 pm
Then you agree that a 1% drop in unemployment since Trump was elected is not a big deal?

It's the most amazing thing in all human history Roos!  Never before in the recorded history of mankind has an economy gone off the charts like this, all due to the power of the breath of Trump and his divine prowess.

Acknowledge this feat and praise him damn you!
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2018, 02:45:36 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 08, 2018, 02:03:37 pm
Then you agree that a 1% drop in unemployment since Trump was elected is not a big deal?

No, because it means more people are working. The day I get cavalier about people being able to put a roof over their heads and food on their tables is the day I move to France.

Beyond all these govt' numbers, if you got out of your moms basement and looked around you can see that things are better. Out on the streets there is a feeling of prosperity that wasn't here a couple years ago.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2018, 02:48:04 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on June 08, 2018, 02:35:55 pm
It's the most amazing thing in all human history Roos!  Never before in the recorded history of mankind has an economy gone off the charts like this, all due to the power of the breath of Trump and his divine prowess.

Acknowledge this feat and praise him damn you!

You sound like Nancy Pelosi: "It's just a thousand dollars". 
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2018, 03:08:33 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 01:25:44 pm
Yeah, and the average between 1950 and now is 58.1%. It's a meaningless number now because we have a massive generation retiring at higher numbers by the day. That doesn't mean these people are sitting at home on welfare. It means they are retiring.

There are also seasonal variations.


My point is, Obama was mocked based on this number, but now the rhetoric has suddenly reversed.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2018, 03:08:50 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 08, 2018, 02:48:04 pm
You sound like Nancy Pelosi: "It's just a thousand dollars".

I actually think the headline sounds more like Maxine Waters:

"The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life"

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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2018, 03:21:59 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 02:45:36 pm
No, because it means more people are working. The day I get cavalier about people being able to put a roof over their heads and food on their tables is the day I move to France.

Beyond all these govt' numbers, if you got out of your moms basement and looked around you can see that things are better. Out on the streets there is a feeling of prosperity that wasn't here a couple years ago.

Thank you for making me clarify myself. I am not, and i don't think anyone else is, saying that a lower unemployment rate isn't a great thing. I think the issue is what comes across as a breathless headline, article and some comments here claiming that because of Trump things are off the charts fantastic. The truth is they are better, they had been getting significantly better prior to Trump's election, at least as far as the reported unemployment numbers. But, if you want to be honest about (possibly dishonest) numbers the unemployment rate had already significantly improved while Obama was still in office and there's been a 1% improvement since Trump's election.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2018, 03:41:47 pm »
Quote from: Suppressed on June 08, 2018, 03:08:33 pm
My point is, Obama was mocked based on this number, but now the rhetoric has suddenly reversed.

Yup.  But that notation is not welcome.

Hypocrisy only applies in one direction.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2018, 03:46:49 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 08, 2018, 03:21:59 pm
Thank you for making me clarify myself. I am not, and i don't think anyone else is, saying that a lower unemployment rate isn't a great thing. I think the issue is what comes across as a breathless headline, article and some comments here claiming that because of Trump things are off the charts fantastic. The truth is they are better, they had been getting significantly better prior to Trump's election, at least as far as the reported unemployment numbers. But, if you want to be honest about (possibly dishonest) numbers the unemployment rate had already significantly improved while Obama was still in office and there's been a 1% improvement since Trump's election.

The only reason they significantly improved under Obama is because when he took office they collapsed. People were losing their homes and jumping out of buildings. You can only go up from there. Beyond that though, GDP was terrible. The growth in jobs was lackluster. Overall things were shit and that dumb bastard had 8 years to do something. There is definitely a lot more prosperity now and we are only a couple years in. 
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2018, 03:49:34 pm »
Quote from: Suppressed on June 08, 2018, 03:08:33 pm
There are also seasonal variations.


My point is, Obama was mocked based on this number, but now the rhetoric has suddenly reversed.

Is that number getting better or worse now?
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2018, 04:03:05 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 03:46:49 pm
The only reason they significantly improved under Obama is because when he took office they collapsed. People were losing their homes and jumping out of buildings. You can only go up from there. Beyond that though, GDP was terrible. The growth in jobs was lackluster. Overall things were shit and that dumb bastard had 8 years to do something. There is definitely a lot more prosperity now and we are only a couple years in.

We don't disagree on most of that.  I don't think you can say that growth is jobs was lackluster then but it's so much better now.  I don't see much evidence that much has changed in that area since Novemner 2016.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2018, 04:03:56 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 03:49:34 pm
Is that number getting better or worse now?

It is better by 1%
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #90 on: June 08, 2018, 04:07:57 pm »
OK, whatever numbers we look at U3, U6, labor participation rate -- it looks like the trend is positive.

We at least have a basis for saying that Trump did BETTER for the economy than Obama.

It would be even better if this positive trend CONTINUES.

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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #91 on: June 08, 2018, 04:13:08 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 08, 2018, 04:03:56 pm
It is better by 1%

Then it is a GD red letter day. Celebrate your ass off like there is no tomorrow.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #92 on: June 08, 2018, 04:14:25 pm »
Forget the U3 and the U6; leave that stuff to the geeks.   What's historic is that more employers are offering jobs than there are Americans willing to fill them.   That's both good news, and a warning about systemic problems we face. 
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #93 on: June 08, 2018, 04:18:26 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on June 08, 2018, 04:14:25 pm
Forget the U3 and the U6; leave that stuff to the geeks.   What's historic is that more employers are offering jobs than there are Americans willing to fill them.   That's both good news, and a warning about systemic problems we face.

No one wants to hear about your imigration plan again.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #94 on: June 08, 2018, 04:20:21 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 04:13:08 pm
Then it is a GD red letter day. Celebrate your ass off like there is no tomorrow.

There's no tomorrow?

Who the hell cancelled it???

Annie says the sun will come out tomorrow, so I don't believe your analysis of the situation is correct.

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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #95 on: June 08, 2018, 04:21:52 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on June 08, 2018, 04:13:08 pm
Then it is a GD red letter day. Celebrate your ass off like there is no tomorrow.

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« Reply #96 on: June 08, 2018, 04:23:56 pm »
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No one wants to hear about your imigration plan again.

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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #97 on: June 08, 2018, 04:42:10 pm »
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Thank you Jazz.  I had precisely the same thought of sharing Mr. Krauthammer's quote here. 
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #98 on: June 08, 2018, 04:54:43 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 08, 2018, 04:18:26 pm
No one wants to hear about your imigration plan again.

If anyone does want to hear it, for the sake of "honest debate", one can listen to any Democrat about 'undocumented workers' and get the same damn talking points and argument.
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Re: American Economy Just Went Off the Charts; “Never Before in History”
« Reply #99 on: June 08, 2018, 05:29:27 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on June 08, 2018, 04:03:56 pm
It is better by 1%

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