Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats

[jpsb]

Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats

It’s not as if it was a great secret, but last week’s New York Times feature about the open ties between prominent conservative critics of President Donald Trump and liberals made it official. The last stalwarts of the “Never Trump” conservative movement are preparing to do more than merely complain about the object of their disdain; they’re now ready to join forces with liberals to oppose the president both in court and perhaps in future political campaigns.


http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/30/never-trumpers-finally-admit-theyre-effectively-spiteful-democrats/




Nice to see a little honesty from the NeverTrumpers.

[jpsb]

Money quote

Trump may be an unattractive and deeply flawed messenger for contemporary conservatism. But loath though they might be to admit it, what’s left of the Never Trump movement needs to come to grips with the fact that the only words that currently describe them are liberals and Democrats.

[endicom]

Vichy? The waters are fine.

[INVAR]

Never Trumpers Finally Admit They’re Effectively Spiteful Democrats

That can be said of a good chunk of the Republican party.  McCainiac anyone?

[driftdiver]

Money quote

Trump may be an unattractive and deeply flawed messenger for contemporary conservatism. But loath though they might be to admit it, what’s left of the Never Trump movement needs to come to grips with the fact that the only words that currently describe them are liberals and Democrats.

@jpsb
I've noted for quite a while that the NTs hit the same topic at the same time as the leftists.  Same talking points, same timing, same agenda.

hmmmm

[skeeter]

At this point the old labels - republican/democrat, conservative/liberal - are worse than useless. They only cloud the issue.

It was always about those who desire an all powerful state to do their bidding, and those who want, as much as possible under our original form of government, to be left alone to run their own lives.

Like him or not, and whether he knows it or not, Trump represents a big step backwards for those who want an efficient, omnipotent state run by a cabal of professional bureaucrats. All labels notwithstanding.

[driftdiver]

At this point the old labels - republican/democrat, conservative/liberal - are worse than useless. They only cloud the issue.

It was always about those who desire an all powerful state to do their bidding, and those who want, as much as possible under our original form of government, to be left alone to run their own lives.

Like him or not, and whether he knows it or not, Trump represents a big step backwards for those who want an efficient, omnipotent state. All labels notwithstanding.

globalist vs nationalist

[catfish1957]

Funny these articles never bring up the fact that Donald Trump's historical views are the most liberal in a GOP POTUS since Gerald Ford.

Anyone trying to paint ultra-conservatives like many of us here at TBR as NT democrats is as dumb as a box of rocks.

[Right_in_Virginia]

At this point the old labels - republican/democrat, conservative/liberal - are worse than useless. They only cloud the issue.

It was always about those who desire an all powerful state to do their bidding, and those who want, as much as possible under our original form of government, to be left alone to run their own lives.

Like him or not, and whether he knows it or not, Trump represents a big step backwards for those who want an efficient, omnipotent state run by a cabal of professional bureaucrats. All labels notwithstanding.

Excellent post @skeeter   (FWIT, I do think the President knows this ....  ^-^)

[endicom]

globalist vs nationalist

Sadly, nationalist and populist have become stand-ins for fascist.

And that's ridiculous. No person or nation has anything to offer others if possessing nothing to offer. You really do have to look out for numero uno to be of any value to anyone else.

[ABX]

globalist vs nationalist

Versus the individual.

Globalist and Nationalist are both collectivists with different types of centralized power desires, but both are the enemy of liberty.

[Sanguine]

This is a stupid article.  There may be NTs who are NTs because they are globalists and want a progressive agenda to succeed.

I think we can all agree that TBR NTs are a whole different kind of voter, and they are NTs because they don't like certain things about Trump and don't trust him to do the right thing.

[INVAR]

Funny these articles never bring up the fact that Donald Trump's historical views are the most liberal in a GOP POTUS since Gerald Ford.

I find it amusing that people like to conveniently forget that not only was Trump a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat, but he also campaigned for and funded the Clintons and Bill DeBlasio.

Somehow those facts are willfully forgotten in the ether as they push to promote Trump as the greatest Conservative of all time.

Of course given what the Republican Party itself has become, Trump does indeed look like a rock solid Conservative in comparison.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

This is a stupid article.  There may be NTs who are NTs because they are globalists and want a progressive agenda to succeed.

I think we can all agree that TBR NTs are a whole different kind of voter, and they are NTs because they don't like certain things about Trump and don't trust him to do the right thing.

You're right.  This seems like a rather needless tossing of gas on the TBR fire.

Yes, the elitist GOP types like Flake and McCain are basically liberals/Democrats at this point.  But there are some NT folks who are sort of conservative absolutists, and don't support him for that reason.  I think they're wrong, but they're not liberals.

[catfish1957]

You're right.  This seems like a rather needless tossing of gas on the TBR fire.

But there are some NT folks who are sort of conservative absolutists, and don't support him for that reason.  I think they're wrong, but they're not liberals.

Thanks for your honesty.  But how do you define us as being wrong?  When I was young principles meant almost everything.   Now many hold us in near ridicule for that trait. (including here)  IMO...Just shows how badly this country has slipped in loyalty, morals and integrity.

[Frank Cannon]

Funny these articles never bring up the fact that Donald Trump's historical views are the most liberal in a GOP POTUS since Gerald Ford.

It's not funny because Trump is governing to the Right of the Bush administration.......both of them. It makes your historical sophistry a moot point.

[roamer_1]

globalist vs nationalist

Right.
Globalist socialist vs. Nationalist socialist.
The only argument is who runs big.gov better. 

[catfish1957]

It's not funny because Trump is governing to the Right of the Bush administration.......both of them. It makes your historical sophistry a moot point.

BS....   I forgot you thought DJT was born in 2016.

Read his about his issue positions in NY the past 20 years and get back with me.

Also that last budget he signed was real Reagenish /s.  Plus he still has two more years to take his hard left.  The man is not remotely a conservative.

[skeeter]

BS....   I forgot you thought DJT was born in 2016.

Read his about his issue positions in NY the past 20 years and get back with me.

Also that last budget he signed was real Reagenish /s.  Plus he still has two more years to take his hard left.  The man is not remotely a conservative.

At this point I could give a fig what he said 20 years ago.

Even considering the last budget fiasco there is no question Trump has governed to the right of both Bushes so far.

You may be clairvoyant, but I'll wait for him to take that left turn before I condemn him for it.

[Smokin Joe]

It's not funny because Trump is governing to the Right of the Bush administration.......both of them. It makes your historical sophistry a moot point.

Liberals see Trump as too "conservative", as they see anyone to the Right of Karl Marx.

True Conservatives see him as too Liberal, and discern some totalitarian tendencies.

It really doesn't matter to those who want their Constitutional Republic back who 'rules' with a pen and a phone. Regardless of apparent benevolence, it still isn't a restoration of the form that our government has strayed from.

I will be the first to admit that there have been many beneficial executive acts from this administration, but, frankly, with a change of management, these are all too easily overturned with someone with a different pen and phone. IF the 'swamp' gets drained, (the jury is still out on that, and still I don't see the major players, at least those in the limelight, going off to GITMO or Supermax yet), then I might reconsider my own opinion somewhat, but the goal for all us ‘purists’ is the restoration of the Republic. Anything short of that isn't conservative enough for me and many like me.

As a practical matter, for now I watch and wait and reserve judgement as to whether this is just more Kabuki or something meaningful is getting done to restore the Republic. After decades of promises broken by soi-disant conservatives, I remain skeptical.

[Oceander]

[EasyAce]

This is a stupid article.  There may be NTs who are NTs because they are globalists and want a progressive agenda to succeed.

I think we can all agree that TBR NTs are a whole different kind of voter, and they are NTs because they don't like certain things about Trump and don't trust him to do the right thing.

@Sanguine
You took the words right out of my head.

(Yes, they have plenty of room to bounce around up there . . . ;) )

[corbe]

   My English Lit Professor would have written 'Vile and Retched' across this submission.

   Anytime I see 'NT' in anything, especially comparing that 'pigeon holed' class of people to a bunch of libs, I smell desperation in the Trump Camp.

   If 'WE' don't matter why the attempts to ridicule us with this BAD association?

[GrouchoTex]

Pretty crazy how anyone can pose a theory about things like this.

Yesterday, I heard on the radio, the the alt-right folks were just the logical extension of disenfranchised white liberals.
They didn't necessarily vote for Trump for smaller government, but for more Federal goodies to come their way, and not to those "other people".

Interesting how both NT'ers and AT'ers can get lumped together as "Spiteful Democrats", depending on how you read things into all this.

So, I don't buy into this argument.
People can use enough pretzel logic to make anything sound possible.

[Sighlass]

You're right.  This seems like a rather needless tossing of gas on the TBR fire.

Yes, the elitist GOP types like Flake and McCain are basically liberals/Democrats at this point.  But there are some NT folks who are sort of conservative absolutists, and don't support him for that reason.  I think they're wrong, but they're not liberals.

Thanks Bill....I am sure there is NTers out there that fit the bill of the author, but most of us here at TBR are right the opposite. We just draw the line back further than others do.