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Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« on: April 25, 2018, 02:40:40 pm »
   Revolution and Worse to Come
By Victor Davis Hanson

April 24, 2018 6:30 AM

When legal bloodhounds and baying critics fail to take out Trump, what’s next? The Resistance wants Trump’s head — on the chopping block.

On the domestic and foreign fronts, the Trump administration has prompted economic growth and restored U.S. deterrence. Polls show increased consumer confidence, and in some, Trump himself has gained ground. Yet good news is bad news to the Resistance and its strange continued efforts to stop an elected president in a way it failed to do in the 2016 election.

Indeed, the aim of the so-called Resistance to Donald J. Trump is ending Trump’s presidency by any means necessary before the 2020 election. Or, barring that, it seeks to so delegitimize him that he becomes presidentially impotent. It has been only 16 months since Trump took office and, in the spirit of revolutionary fervor, almost everything has been tried to derail him. Now we are entering uncharted territory — at a time when otherwise the country is improving and the legal exposure of Trump’s opponents increases daily.

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2018, 03:02:56 pm »
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We are entering revolutionary times. The law is no longer equally applied. The media are the ministry of truth. The Democratic party is a revolutionary force. And it is all getting scary.

Since the foundations have been circumvented or removed altogether, and this people willfully hostile and ignorant of those foundations have already sealed our fate.

We're just beginning to witness the natural consequences of what happens when Foundational principles have been discarded and biblical morality is no longer practiced or revered by the population.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2018, 03:13:53 pm »
Hanson is a very calm, well-studied, well-reasoned professor of history.

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We are entering revolutionary times. The law is no longer equally applied. The media are the ministry of truth. The Democratic party is a revolutionary force. And it is all getting scary.

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 03:54:39 pm »
Hanson is a very calm, well-studied, well-reasoned professor of history.

He's one of our best guys.  The only thing that is wrong with him is that he is so calm.  (Just kidding.)

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2018, 04:34:39 pm »
He's one of our best guys. 

Check his views

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson

"Hanson ended his column that there were now two emerging factions in America — the proverbial ordinary Americans supporting Trump vs. the elites of both the Democratic and Republican parties supporting Clinton.[21] Hanson wrote: "A mostly urban, highly educated, and high-income globalized elite often shares more cultural and political affinities with their counterparts on the other side of the aisle than they do with the lower-middle and working classes of their own parties."
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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2018, 12:25:11 am »
A hard-hittin' piece.

Mr. Hanson concludes:
"The danger to the country this time around is that the Left has so destroyed the old protocols of the opposition party that it will be hard to resurrect them when progressives return to power.
We are entering revolutionary times. The law is no longer equally applied. The media are the ministry of truth. The Democratic party is a revolutionary force. And it is all getting scary."



Even someone as reserved as Victor Hanson sees what's coming.
How much longer before "the split" happens...?

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2018, 03:32:41 am »
Call me Pollyanna, but just this week, I've seen some liberals starting to question this whole race-baiting,-multi-gender, tax cuts and Net neutrality will kill us, thing as crazy.
Yes, the media beats a constant drumbeat, but a few are saying "enough".
All we need is to siphon off about 5% to change the landscape.
Trump did get the Reagan Democrats.
As the economy goes, so goes the elections.

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2018, 03:56:33 am »
@mystery-ak

What is not understood, is, it is Trump himself causing the turmoil, causing the chaos, causing calls for his removal - he is doing it.  In his business, he did the same thing - make enemies of all who knew him, refuse to pay his bills, causing companies to go bankrupt, loaded up with court cases as he sued and was sued.  Stop and think how this started.  His entire campaign was going after the candidates and anyone who held public office, plus those in the entertainment area, all media, then in office, continue after the media, attack judges, the courts, the Justice Department, insult other countries leaders, insult the countries themselves, go after athletes, fire his own people, insult congressmen, both Republicans and Democrats, calls to jail people he doesn't like, insult everyone with tacky names, call to change law so he can sue the media, lie after lie after lie.

He will not stop until he gets himself charged with a crime, or impeached and removed from office, or walks out and goes back to New York to his mansion.  He has hurt himself all his life; he cannot stop.

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 03:57:56 am »
As the economy goes, so goes the elections.

That statement alone ought to scare the living crap out of anyone with a modicum of understanding when one considers the consequences that have yet to visit us in full for trillions upon trillions of dollars in debt, deficits and uncontrollable government spending with a dependent constituency and open borders.

At some point real soon, all the magic tricks and sleight of hand that the Fed and the Congress pull to keep the anvils floating in the air are going to be visited by the Laws of Economics that we have broken.

In that real pain and misery - people will agree to anything for the mere promise of bread.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2018, 08:51:15 pm »
@mystery-ak

What is not understood, is, it is Trump himself causing the turmoil, causing the chaos, causing calls for his removal - he is doing it.  In his business, he did the same thing - make enemies of all who knew him, refuse to pay his bills, causing companies to go bankrupt, loaded up with court cases as he sued and was sued.
 

You are enumerating the very reasons why I didn't vote in the 2016 election;  thus, we are starting on the same page (more or less).  But then you go on to say...

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...then in office, continue after the media, attack judges, the courts, the Justice Department...

I respectfully submit that you haven't been noticing how corrupt our government has become--not even close to noticing it, in my opinion.  You merely notice things that all of us have noticed--for example, the fact that Trump is a kind of over-the-top a__hole.  As I have already stipulated, Trump's character flaws are very clear and arguably worrisome in some ways.   Unfortunately, Trump's flaws pale in comparison to the filth that has overtaken the government as a whole. 

Are you so filled with contempt for the poor, fallen soul that you cannot even see why Trump is so fiercely attacking the media and the judges/courts and the Justice Department?   

Maybe you don't have the time or energy to keep up, to think deeper than the surficial stuff, but I have found the spiritual energy and made the time over the past five decades to notice the profound corruption of our government.  I have been following that monumental mess ever since JFK was murdered by our own government. I have even dared to say on TBR that I believe that our American government ranks among the most corrupt in the world--but the corruption has found nasty ways of hiding behind the Constitutional form of our Republic--ultimately in contempt of that very Constitution.

Superficial political observers--that includes about half of our monumentally dumb/naïve/gullible/lazy electorate--are being conned into thinking that everything will be okay even if we do not take especially drastic steps to call out the monsters/criminals in the media and the courts and the DOJ and the State Department and the FBI and the CIA and the Bureau of Land Management and the BATFE and the EPA and the entrenched bureaucracy as a whoie and the banking world (including the Federal Reserve) and the crony "capitalists" (especially the super-rich Socialists who control the social media platforms) and academia and, last but not least, the entertainment industry.

My point is that our beloved nation has become corrupt almost beyond belief.  And it turns out that it is a global mess being orchestrated by demonically energized monsters that the vast majority of American, evidently including you, know next to nothing about.   It amounts to a world-wide Satanism. 

Don't kid yourself about this.  Don't be just another boiling frog, TBR friend. Don't fail to notice that our Constitutional Republic is being targeted for complete destruction under Global Socialism.  Don't fail to  notice that this is the reason why Trump is publicly facing off against the media and the courts and the DOJ and the State Department and the FBI and the CIA and the Bureau of Land Management and the BATFE and the EPA and the entrenched bureaucracy as a whole and the banking world (including the Federal Reserve) and the crony "capitalists" (especially the super-rich Socialists who control the social media platforms) and academia and, last but not least, the entertainment industry.

(All of his faults withstanding, Trump has a lot more guts than any recent POTUS.  (I guess we could say that this is one of the odd benefits of his narcissism!  Anyway, Trump is not going to repeat the mistakes of Bush 43, incessantly going-along-just-to-get-along, and incessantly following the spiritually stupid adage of never-speaking-about-someone-when-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say-about-them.  Under the circumstances, maybe a patriotic narcissistic bull is just what we needed to overturn the potentially deadly mess caused by an anti-American narcissistic snake and an anti-American narcissistic Jezebel.)

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...insult other countries leaders, insult the countries themselves, go after athletes, fire his own people, insult congressmen, both Republicans and Democrats...

Trump is given to insulting our enemies.  Most of the countries in the U.N. hated us before Trump was elected, and the numbers have not gotten appreciably worse.  The EU is even moving in our direction on several fronts in several countries.  And North Korea may very well be pacified by yearend. 

Trump is even given to insulting our domestic enemies--including ignorant and often lying Black racists, disloyal staffers (like the Globalist Secretary of State who referred to Trump as a moron), Hollywood types who have called for his assassination, and crooked Congressmen and Senators.  Nominal Party affiliations do not protect hypocrites from Trump.  He is the least PC President we have ever had.  He is, in fact, a sort of a "bull in a china shop."  This is why he was elected.  And thank goodness he won:  another President Clinton would have been our nation's DOOM.   (If you think otherwise, you haven't been following the Arkansas Mafia as long as I have.)

As an important aside, Trump's brashness is actually consistent with an obscure but potentially useful adage attributed to a Professor at the famous Wharton School of Business.  Whereas we normally say "If it ain't broken, don't break it,"  the Wharton Prof said "If it ain't broken, break it." 
 
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...calls to jail people he doesn't like, insult everyone with tacky names, call to change law so he can sue the media, lie after lie after lie.

You have bent the truth by insinuating that Trump wants to jail people merely because he doesn't like them.  (I think you are projecting.  Your insinuation [accusation] is very much like saying Trump should be impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate just because you find him disgusting.)

The truth is that our POTUS doesn't much like people who deserve to be in jail. 

I am aware from another post that you think Comey was a kind of saint;  as I understand it, however, Congress is recommending criminal prosecution of Comey.  For that matter, it was the rank-and-file members of the FBI who recommended that Trump fire Comey for egregious violations of ethics, arguably involving dimensions of outright criminality.

In short, when we subject Comey's self-exalting autobiography to cross-examination, he looks like a very bad guy, indeed. And his determination to protect Jezebel Clinton was ANYTHING but NOBLE.  (By the way, Comey ran the conspiratorial circus of top FBI criminals who plotted desperately to take Trump down illegally--perhaps even to assassinate him, according to recent rumors [leaks?].  Let's see what turns up in the "missing FBI text messages."  [Frankly, I assume they contain really bad stuff, since this is the only reason why the FBI initially reported that they were "missing"--only to be found by the DOJ's OIG, I believe, and possibly military intelligence.])

Finally, I would point out that I agree with our POTUS that the media have misused the First Amendment.  The media can be sued by private citizens for lying.  This has long been recognized.  It's time to stop them from recklessly, knowingly lying with the specific intention of damaging politicians.  The MSM is practically a modern American version of the old Soviet Pravda.  They are not just practicing Free Speech anymore than Pravda was.

We cannot stop the press from publishing things we don't like, including opinions that we find abhorrent, but there ought to be legal sanctions (lawsuits, at least) for malicious lying, especially in the context of a Global Socialist conspiracy to overthrow our Republic.

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Anyway, I think you will eventually have to swallow the red pill, as they say.   I believe that there will be hundreds of arrests, including arrests made overseas, in the next several weeks and months.  I will charitably and cheerfully assume that the revelations will be shocking enough to make you set aside your contempt for Trump, as I already have.  Even when I find him disgusting in one way or another, I am glad he's our POTUS at this time.   

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2018, 08:55:33 pm »
For later.
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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2018, 09:09:37 pm »
That statement alone ought to scare the living crap out of anyone with a modicum of understanding when one considers the consequences that have yet to visit us in full for trillions upon trillions of dollars in debt, deficits and uncontrollable government spending with a dependent constituency and open borders.

At some point real soon, all the magic tricks and sleight of hand that the Fed and the Congress pull to keep the anvils floating in the air are going to be visited by the Laws of Economics that we have broken.

In that real pain and misery - people will agree to anything for the mere promise of bread.

Again, maybe just hope against all hope, but I would like to think that a majority of people may come to realize the consequences of this foolishness that you have laid out.
The odds are against it, okay, but I see small cracks in the armor, here and there, that give me hope, however small that hope may be.

Also, for all of my life (my adult life, anyway) every election cycle, I've been told, if we don't change course, all of this will come crashing down on us.
There will be panic in the streets, etc.
BUT THIS TIME, WE REALLY MEAN IT.
Whatever...
I know, I know, I have my head in the sand, etc...
I used to tell people the same thing when I was younger.

The world will end in 10...9...8...7...6..5...

I just ain't buying into anymore.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2018, 09:26:52 pm »
 ****cute kitty

Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to our politics in ages. He’s a tough, smart, hard working and forthright man. And the right man at the right time in history.

There could not have been a better choice for 2016.

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2018, 10:14:33 pm »
Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to our politics in ages. He’s a tough, smart, hard working and forthright man. And the right man at the right time in history.

Yeah and Oma Neumüllker said the same thing about Hitler at Thanksgivings in years past, almost literally word-for-word.

I didn't buy her opinion of that then, and I don't buy your opinion of Trump now.

That's right, I invoked Godwin's law and I am going to continue to do so when I read such unadulterated worship of a lying-sack politician as some kind of political savior.
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2018, 10:16:57 pm »
****cute kitty

Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to our politics in ages.


I think you're probably right about that, even if I have to add that our sincere compliment to Trump ultimately amounts to an indictment of America.

(I have some casual friends who said in 2016 that they were voting for Trump because he's an over-the-top a__hole.  Come to think of it, my friends are sort of a__holes.  [What's this country coming to?]) 

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He’s a tough, smart, hard working [man]...

I have nary a doubt about that.  And I believe these qualities are admirable, indeed.

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...and forthright man.


I think you might be confusing bluntness with forthrightness.  I can't give him great marks for forthrightness.  This is why I did not vote for him.  Nothing has happened to make me regret that decision.

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And the right man at the right time in history.


That works for me.

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There could not have been a better choice for 2016.
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Well, let's not go there. :nono:

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2018, 10:24:09 pm »
Yeah and Oma Neumüllker said the same thing about Hitler at Thanksgivings in years past, almost literally word-for-word.

I didn't buy her opinion of that then, and I don't buy your opinion of Trump now.

That's right, I invoked Godwin's law and I am going to continue to do so when I read such unadulterated worship of a lying-sack politician as some kind of political savior.

You could just roll your eyes and move on.  You know how he feels about Trump.  You know you won't change his feelings.  I don't get it.

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2018, 10:41:00 pm »
****cute kitty

Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to our politics in ages. He’s a tough, smart, hard working and forthright man. And the right man at the right time in history.

There could not have been a better choice for 2016.

:bigsilly: 

Always good for a little comedic break. 

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2018, 10:48:42 pm »
You could just roll your eyes and move on.  You know how he feels about Trump.  You know you won't change his feelings.  I don't get it.

He just likes the sound of his own voice — over and over and over again.   ^-^

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Re: Revolution and Worse to Come.. By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2018, 11:04:43 pm »
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Then there was the doomed celebrity effort to convince some state electors not to follow their constitutional duty and to deny Trump the presidency — a gambit that, had it worked, would have wrecked the Constitution.

Not at all. It would have worked as the founders intended.