Don't be surprised if your doctor asks you about guns

[roamer_1]

Registration is about taking responsibility, not deprivation of your rights.  You are legally responsible for the use, transfer and disposition of your firearms.  Do you really disagree with that statement?   

HELL YES, I disagree. It ain't NONE of your damn business.

Registration is a reasonable tool by which the peaceable community can enforce that responsibility.   

It is neither reasonable nor efficacious, and FAILS your proposed result in EVERY American city where it already exists.

[Cyber Liberty]

It is not reasonable.

He's never going to agree to that.  It's like a Chess game, where you've built a good defense of your King.  There is no way for your opponent to win the game if he doesn't design and execute a plan to break that defense, and in this case, effective confiscation is impossible if the government can't get a listing of who has what.  The left will do ANYTHING to break down that defense, because until they do, forwarding their agenda of subjugation is impossible.

They'll lie to us with soft talk all day long if it forwards that goal.

[roamer_1]

The left will do ANYTHING to break down that defense, because until they do, forwarding their agenda of subjugation is impossible.

They'll lie to us with soft talk all day long if it forwards that goal.

That's right. But fat chance, hereabouts. Not going to happen.

2 MILLION people defend themselves annually with firearms. That is a right well worth keeping.

[INVAR]

Registration is about taking responsibility, not deprivation of your rights.

WE SAY IT IS DEPRIVATION.

You are legally responsible for the use, transfer and disposition of your firearms.  Do you really disagree with that statement?

We already are.  The fact you can move about freely, say the vile crap you spew and live your life without being behind barbed wire is due the fact that we have been responsible with our arsenals that are secret and unknown to vile communist gun grabbers like yourself.   

Registration is a reasonable tool by which the peaceable community can enforce that responsibility.   

NO. It's an act of war.  The "community" has no right or authority to know what tools I possess, how many, what kind or what I use them for.

All it needs to know is that I have the means and ability to resist any encroachment they attempt on my liberty.

[INVAR]

Of course, if you defy the law,  then you will be the legitimate target of law enforcement.  I predict you'll fold like a cheap tent.

Of course that is what you hope for, either our subjugation to your 'community's despotism under the color of 'law', or our deaths by the agents you will empower to do your evil bidding because we will not comply with tyranny.  You of course are too much of a chicken shit coward to come to our doors and try to force us to comply with your harebrained communist registration and gun confiscation scheme yourself.

Your move.  We stand ready to water the tree of liberty the moment you and yours decide to make that last mistake.

[Cyber Liberty]

We already are.  The fact you can move about freely, say the vile crap you spew and live your life without being behind barbed wire is due the fact that we have been responsible with our arsenals that are secret and unknown to vile communist gun grabbers like yourself.   

The thing about the barbed wire is, the grabbers fully expect to be on the outside, while you and I get the business end of it.  That's what the Commies thought as they were watching the Jews being shoved into the cattle cars in France, Germany and Poland.  Their turn to be at the business end of the bayonets came in due time, and so will the coward leftists' demanding our weapon registration/confiscation today.

They'll be more than happy to watch you and I be put in cages, but they're only forestalling their own imprisonment.  Hoping the crocodile eats them last, as it were.

[INVAR]

The thing about the barbed wire is, the grabbers fully expect to be on the outside, while you and I get the business end of it.  That's what the Commies thought as they were watching the Jews being shoved into the cattle cars in France, Germany and Poland.  Their turn to be at the business end of the bayonets came in due time, and so will the coward leftists' demanding our weapon registration/confiscation today.

They'll be more than happy to watch you and I be put in cages, but they're only forestalling their own imprisonment.  Hoping the crocodile eats them last, as it were.

Jazzhead is all about the imposition of his Commie-Liberal worldview of 'Community' by force.   He is also the first person to scream aloud and declare evil, bigotry and threat the moment the 'community' he loathes refuses to comply with the demands of 'his community'.

We are clearly reaching the time when we can no longer peaceably coexist with these meddlesome tyrants.

[XenaLee]

No one is seeking to "collect your weapons".  Take 'em to bed with you for all I care;  tell Mrs. CL to use the couch.   

Of course, if you defy the law,  then you will be the legitimate target of law enforcement.  I predict you'll fold like a cheap tent.

Projecting again?  Of course you are.  Because you can't even conceive pf characteristics and traits like guts, bravery, courage and valor.  The same traits, along with a fervent belief in God, that founded this nation you take advantage of.  The same qualities you apparently sneer at as you pontificate about the need for gun registration among responsible adults.  The very idea is an oxymoron.   If you're responsible, there's no need.... since the irresponsible and/or criminals sure as hell won't comply.  Get it?

But no... you can't get next to what we here in Texas call "True Grit".  And you never will.

[Cyber Liberty]

Jazzhead is all about the imposition of his Commie-Liberal worldview of 'Community' by force.   He is also the first person to scream aloud and declare evil, bigotry and threat the moment the 'community' he loathes refuses to comply with the demands of 'his community'.

We are clearly reaching the time when we can no longer peaceably coexist with these meddlesome tyrants.

It all depends on whether they can convince the big guys with the guns to go along with their scheme.  If they are required to do the dirty work of coming and getting them themselves, it'll never happen and their yapping voices will get farther and farther away.

[INVAR]

It all depends on whether they can convince the big guys with the guns to go along with their scheme.  If they are required to do the dirty work of coming and getting them themselves, it'll never happen and their yapping voices will get farther and farther away.

They are a lot further along in that effort and goal than we would like to acknowledge.

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[Silver Pines]

@Victoria33 has better weather.

@Cyber Liberty
@Victoria33

We're having a lovely spring.  Today is 55 and rainy.   I'm holding on for dear life to every cool day.

[roamer_1]

I predict you'll fold like a cheap tent.

That, @Jazzhead , seems like perfectly allocuted projection.

[Jazzhead]

When 97% of the guns used in crimes are already illegally obtained . . .

Doesn't that factoid you cite indicate there's a problem?   Those "illegally obtained firearms" are the fruit of a wild west mentality that folks have the "right" to keep arsenals in secret, and buy and sell deadly weapons off the backs of trucks.  The goal of registration is assign each gun to the owner who is responsible for its use, transfer and disposition.   That documented legal responsibility will help dissuade folks from transferring their guns in secret to criminals. 

I am sick and tired of gun owners claiming they have the right to thumb their noses at the efforts of the people to get a handle on the epidemic of gun violence in this country.   

[roamer_1]

Projecting again? 

LOL! GMTA.

But no... you can't get next to what we here in Texas call "True Grit".  And you never will.

That's right. 

[roamer_1]

Doesn't that factoid you cite indicate there's a problem?   Those "illegally obtained firearms" are the fruit of a wild west mentality that folks have the "right" to keep arsenals in secret, and buy and sell deadly weapons off the backs of trucks.  The goal of registration is assign each gun to the owner who is responsible for its use, transfer and disposition.   That documented legal responsibility will help dissuade folks from transferring their guns in secret to criminals. 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Idiocy.

[GrouchoTex]

I am sick and tired of gun owners claiming they have the right to thumb their noses at the efforts of the people to get a handle on the epidemic of gun violence in this country.   

You know better than that.
Gun violence isn't near the number one cause of death in this country and you know it!
(Psst! Don't look now, but your credibility is shrinking).

[thackney]

Doesn't that factoid you cite indicate there's a problem?   Those "illegally obtained firearms" are the fruit of a wild west mentality that folks have the "right" to keep arsenals in secret, and buy and sell deadly weapons off the backs of trucks. The goal of registration is assign each gun to the owner who is responsible for its use, transfer and disposition.   That documented legal responsibility will help dissuade folks from transferring their guns in secret to criminals. 

I am sick and tired of gun owners claiming they have the right to thumb their noses at the efforts of the people to get a handle on the epidemic of gun violence in this country.   

@Jazzhead

Do you also claim the illegal drugs are the caused by doctor prescriptions to the law abiding?

Tell me about how vehicle registrations prevent auto thefts?

I'm sick and tired of big government proponents trying to use victims to push their agenda instead of deal with the actual problem, the 97% instead of the 3%.

But first, would you please support your previous claims concerning my question in post #114:

I would like to explore this claim.

Let us start with use.  How does registration of a firearm enforce responsible use of a firearm as compared to an unregistered firearm?  What has changed impacting use?

[Axeslinger]

I am sick and tired of gun owners claiming they have the right to thumb their noses at the efforts of the people to get a handle on the epidemic of gun violence in this country.   

@Jazzhead

So come and get them Skippy.  If you’re feeling froggy...go ahead and jump...or STFU.   Take your bullshit trolling job over to DU, you’ll be a hit there, I promise.

[Cyber Liberty]

They are a lot further along in that effort and goal than we would like to acknowledge.

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Is that the idjit running for Sheriff somewhere?  Eff him, he's a laughingstock.  But you have a point, we need to watch these pukes every second.  So what else is new?

[Axeslinger]

Is that the idjit running for Sheriff somewhere?  Eff him, he's a laughingstock.  But you have a point, we need to watch these pukes every second.  So what else is new?

How about this for a point...20 or even 10 years ago, would any politician have dared to utter that?

[Cyber Liberty]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Idiocy.

Yeah, that sounded even more idiotic when it went down on paper, didn't it?  "Why, criminals will naturally just hand over their weapons when they're illegal." 
 

[driftdiver]

I am sick and tired of gun owners claiming they have the right to thumb their noses at the efforts of the people to get a handle on the epidemic of gun violence in this country.   

@Jazzhead

So dramatic and so wrong.

What epidemic?   Gun crime has held fairly steady for years.  We have the 31st highest rate of gun deaths in the world.    We're 14th in violent crime.   In both cases we are far lower then countries which have strict gun control.

Most murders take place in a very small % of population centers.   Seems to me that cities are far more dangerous than guns.  Perhaps we should outlaw cities?

[INVAR]

Doesn't that factoid you cite indicate there's a problem?

Only to communist-gun-grabbing-meddlesome-tyrants like you. 

Those "illegally obtained firearms" are the fruit of a wild west mentality that folks have the "right" to keep arsenals in secret, and buy and sell deadly weapons off the backs of trucks.

YUP.  And we're gonna continue to keep doing so, and keep our 'wild west mentality' alive and well.  The only way you are going to stop it - is to kill us.  Well, actually you will have to empower the government's goons to do it for you because you are a coward that won't do what you advocate yourself.   You hide behind the skirt of the courts and the government to do your evil bidding for you, like all tyrants do.
 

The goal of registration is assign each gun to the owner who is responsible for its use, transfer and disposition. 

Your goal is confiscation, and this tyrannical attempt to register our weapons is specifically for that purpose - regardless of what you otherwise claim.  We will not comply.  F**K your "goal".

That documented legal responsibility will help dissuade folks from transferring their guns in secret to criminals.

Right, because criminals always reveal their intents to others in advance.

I am sick and tired of gun owners claiming they have the right to thumb their noses at the efforts of the people to get a handle on the epidemic of gun violence in this country.   

Too damn bad.  You're going to have to instigate a level of epidemic gun violent bloodshed in this country by agents of the state in order to get what you want.

[Cyber Liberty]

How about this for a point...20 or even 10 years ago, would any politician have dared to utter that?

Sure.  Diane Feinstein.  There have been politicians freaking out about guns my whole life, and I just turned 60.

[driftdiver]

Is that the idjit running for Sheriff somewhere?  Eff him, he's a laughingstock.  But you have a point, we need to watch these pukes every second.  So what else is new?

@Cyber Liberty
Notice how his audience laughs about killing people.