Don't be surprised if your doctor asks you about guns

[driftdiver]

I have no means of purifying... no filters, no chemicals...
But I do have stock pots to boil on a wood fire, and if called for, can convert that easily to a water still. Learn how to make a still and have the parts available... it's a simple thing.

@roamer_1
BTW,  sand and charcoal are both effective for basic water purification.   It wont get the bacteria/virus but will get most of the floaties and even some of the chemicals (charcoal).

Create a large funnel and have a couple feet of each with sand being on top.

[roamer_1]

Building will sanitize the water but it won't purify it.  The difference being bacteria and viruses are killed by high temperature but chemicals like pesticides, lead, radioactive fallout are not.   So it depends on the source and the circumstance.  Additionally, boiling requires a lot of wood.   Something you may not want to run out and cut when food is low.

Stills will purify, if you have the wood.

@driftdiver

YEP. But that's where I am... In deep forest. One thing I've got is wood. And water is mostly potable here... so unless I am pulling water out of a lake or beaver pond, I generally don't even need to boil. So the emphasis is more on containers that can boil, and the still as a precaution. But to be sure, the still is used for... other things... so it's purpose for water purity is incidental. :D

[Restored]

Any camping store will have a filter with a pump. A little Clorox rounds out the deal. It's basic Appalachian Trail knowledge.

[Victoria33]

Yeah, I have a fireplace and lots of firewood.  I was just kidding about the Brita.  I can afford a 'little' more expensive filter system than that...lol.   Do you know of any in the $200 range?

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@XenaLee

Get the Big Berkey @driftdiver just posted.  Will purify water from a ditch, any kind of water.  If water has dirt in it, filter as much of the dirt out as possible using coffee filters.  When as clean as possible, filter through the Berkey and you have pure water.  You can count on this filter working, any home made gizmo will not work as well as the Berkey.  You must have pure water in an emergency where water is affected, such as water system out due to hurricane or the hurricane took out utility water purification and the water is contaminated, or tornado did that, etc.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1
BTW,  sand and charcoal are both effective for basic water purification.   It wont get the bacteria/virus but will get most of the floaties and even some of the chemicals (charcoal).

Create a large funnel and have a couple feet of each with sand being on top.

Yep - Creek-side sand-point does about the same thing... two or three long strides away from a creek, and dig a hole. At least that is so here, where creeks are clear water, and running in sand and gravel.
 

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

YEP. But that's where I am... In deep forest. One thing I've got is wood. And water is mostly potable here... so unless I am pulling water out of a lake or beaver pond, I generally don't even need to boil. So the emphasis is more on containers that can boil, and the still as a precaution. But to be sure, the still is used for... other things... so it's purpose for water purity is incidental. :D

Im in Florida.   If I go down about 12 inches I get water, not clean but its wet.   Put a pipe down about 50 feet and hit the aquifer.   Never a need to even filter that water.

[catfish1957]

Call me paranoid... but I'm surprised they haven't already done something to our water supply.  It would follow. Except that... if they have dreams of taking over the USA, it would be harshing their buzz too in the long run.

That is why I have a 565' groundwater well. (Garden and backup water supply)

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

You guys should watch Wild Wild Country. The nation's one and only bioterrorism attack was committed by a cult and they tried to hit the water supply (it was apparently ineffective).

[thackney]

You guys should watch Wild Wild Country. The nation's one and only bioterrorism attack was committed by a cult and they tried to hit the water supply (it was apparently ineffective).

I thought the largest US bio-terrorism attack hit salad bars with salmonella.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/01/09/the_largest_bioterror_attack_in_us_history_began_at_taco_time_in_the_dalles.html

[roamer_1]

Im in Florida.   If I go down about 12 inches I get water, not clean but its wet.   Put a pipe down about 50 feet and hit the aquifer.   Never a need to even filter that water.

@driftdiver
Fifty FEET? Heck, you could dang near put a sandpoint on the end of a pipe and drive it in with a post pounder... Lucky you.

Our aquifer where I am is about 120' down through rock... so it's a job to get at it. but we have springs just about everywhere, and they feed the creeks. so head waters and glacial waters are always pure.

[thackney]

...glacial waters are always pure.

My experience with glacial waters in Alaska were so heavy with minerals they were completely undrinkable.  Mouth would pucker up so bad it was almost impossible to swallow.

[roamer_1]

Lots of rational folks conclude that the best way to protect your family is to keep a gun out of the house.     

Your ignorance in this matter is simply invincible @Jazzhead .

[roamer_1]

My experience with glacial waters in Alaska were so heavy with minerals they were completely undrinkable.  Mouth would pucker up so bad it was almost impossible to swallow.

Not so here. Sweet water. But then our glaciers don't have the travel AK's glaciers do. 

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
Any actual proof of this?

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I recall a study of Israeli soldiers, who had a high suicide rate.  When the rules were changed to bar soldiers from taking their service weapons home on weekends, the suicide rate fell by 40%.

Guns are uniquely quick and efficient, and lend themselves well to "impulse" suicides.  If you want to cite some NRA-financed study to the contrary, go right ahead.  But it seems like common sense to me. 

Mind you,  I'm not trying to take your guns away.  But in your zeal to defend these killing devices, recognize that there is a rational argument for never having one anywhere near one's home and family.   

[roamer_1]

[...] recognize that there is a rational argument for never having one anywhere near one's home and family.   

Right up to the point where you need one. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Mind you,  I'm not trying to take your guns away.   

Does anybody remain who believe that assertion?  The only reason you claim you aren't trying to do that is because you know you can't directly, and are instead nibbling at the edges with measures like registration that you know will get that confiscation you want so badly, eventually.

Well, we're not fooled.  We will not comply with the measures you proclaim so innocent.

[XenaLee]

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@XenaLee

Get the Big Berkey @driftdiver just posted.  Will purify water from a ditch, any kind of water.  If water has dirt in it, filter as much of the dirt out as possible using coffee filters.  When as clean as possible, filter through the Berkey and you have pure water.  You can count on this filter working, any home made gizmo will not work as well as the Berkey.  You must have pure water in an emergency where water is affected, such as water system out due to hurricane or the hurricane took out utility water purification and the water is contaminated, or tornado did that, etc.

That sounds perfect.  And.... Amazon is reminding me that I have a $25 gift card balance I could apply.  Thanks guys!  @Victoria33 @driftdiver

[truth_seeker]

Just completed multi-page medical history questionnaire in California.

No questions about guns, not do I recall ever having such questions.

[Cyber Liberty]

Just completed multi-page medical history questionnaire in California.

No questions about guns, not do I recall ever having such questions.

Me neither.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I thought the largest US bio-terrorism attack hit salad bars with salmonella.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/01/09/the_largest_bioterror_attack_in_us_history_began_at_taco_time_in_the_dalles.html

They tried to hit the water supply too, but it didn't work.

[Jazzhead]

Does anybody remain who believe that assertion?  The only reason you claim you aren't trying to do that is because you know you can't directly, and are instead nibbling at the edges with measures like registration that you know will get that confiscation you want so badly, eventually.

Well, we're not fooled.  We will not comply with the measures you proclaim so innocent.

Why would I want to confiscate guns?  Sure, I support registration, but I've been consistent in opposing the leftwing bullcrap ideas like banning "assault" weapons.  You want to play GI Joe?  Go right ahead!   

All I'm advocating is that gun owners take responsibility for the potentially dangerous devices they choose to keep.   But I can see that taking personal responsibility is an alien concept to folks who vow to lie to their own doctors.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Why would I want to confiscate guns?  Sure, I support registration, but I've been consistent in opposing the leftwing bullcrap ideas like banning "assault" weapons.  You want to play GI Joe?  Go right ahead!   

All I'm advocating is that gun owners take responsibility for the potentially dangerous devices they choose to keep.   But I can see that taking personal responsibility is an alien concept to folks who vow to lie to their own doctors.   

It's not my job to suss out why you would want to confiscate weapons, I'll leave that to others.  I just think you do based on many months of hearing every gun-grabbing buzzword come across your posts.  Your mocking and insulting good people will get you nowhere.

As for the information between my Dr. and me:  That confidentiality has already been violated both by the government bureaucracy and the Docs. themselves.  Doctors have become information ports to people I don't know or trust to have my health concerns foremost.  They're doing it with choking off painkillers to people suffering, so I'm sure they'll be delighted to help choke off guns to people who pose no risk to society.  It's unfortunate, I agree, but it is what it is.

It's even less your business than it is theirs.

[Jazzhead]

  Your mocking and insulting good people will get you nowhere.

Asking gun owners to take responsibility for their weapons is "mocking and insulting"?   

Too many folks have chips on their shoulder.   The community reasonably requires folks to register their cars before using them for their intended purpose.   It is just as reasonable to require gun owners to conduct all purchases and transfers of their guns by documented means.  It is unreasonable to jump to the conclusion that such a requirement masks a secret agenda of confiscation.   Gun owners have little faith in the Constitution when they demand the right to live separate and apart from the community.   

[Cyber Liberty]

@Jazzhead "You want to play GI Joe?  Go right ahead!"

In what context is that not an insult, or mocking?

[driftdiver]

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I recall a study of Israeli soldiers, who had a high suicide rate.  When the rules were changed to bar soldiers from taking their service weapons home on weekends, the suicide rate fell by 40%.

Guns are uniquely quick and efficient, and lend themselves well to "impulse" suicides.  If you want to cite some NRA-financed study to the contrary, go right ahead.  But it seems like common sense to me. 

Mind you,  I'm not trying to take your guns away.  But in your zeal to defend these killing devices, recognize that there is a rational argument for never having one anywhere near one's home and family.   

@Jazzhead
Picking military members as an example is pretty weak.  They are a high risk group for many reasons but it reveals how weak your position is and your agenda that you seek to hide.

You've repeatedly said you don't want to take away peoples guns and then you post this drivel.  BTW I don't think anyone should be forced to own a weapon.  If you don't want one, thats your choice.  Stop trying to take away other peoples rights.