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Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« on: March 28, 2018, 06:59:55 pm »
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President Donald Trump is reportedly doubling down on his mission to take Amazon down.

Trump is "obsessed" with the e-commerce giant, a source told Axios. The president apparently believes that Amazon has unfairly received prime tax benefits and preferential treatment from the US Postal Service, hurting brick-and-mortar retailers.

The president hasn't been quiet about his negative feelings towards Amazon.

In December, Trump tweeted that the US Postal Service was undercharging Amazon and that it was making the "Post Office dumber and poorer." In August, he tweeted that the company was "doing great damage to tax paying retailers."

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Except.  More at:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-hatred-raises-hq2-concerns-2018-3

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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2018, 07:00:54 pm »
There's so many positive things he could/should be doing.  Going after Amazon is a loser.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2018, 07:07:59 pm »
If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business. 

And contrary to what this report says --  if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands.  Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries. 
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2018, 07:14:10 pm »
Trump is a moron.  All he had to do was keep his gaping pie hole shut and let the Amazon  case in the SC play out.   They will do the work for him.  Then he can take the credit as he always does for not doing anything.

God this guy is an asswipe.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2018, 09:12:49 pm »
Cronyism is not Conservativism or Capitalism.

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Amazon Stock Dives As 'Obsessed' Trump Considers Regulations, Tax Action

Amazon.com (AMZN) stock plunged below a key measure Wednesday, following a report that President Trump is "obsessed" with the e-commerce leader and has talked about targeting its tax treatment....

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/amazon-stock-dives-as-trump-targets-tax-treatment/

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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 09:14:08 pm »
Quote from: Applewood on March 28, 2018, 07:07:59 pm
If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business. 

And contrary to what this report says --  if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands.  Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.

He did it in his business life over and over. He used bought and paid for politicians and PACs to go after businesses that competed with him (most famously, creating an anti-gambling PAC in New York to prevent them from allowing casinos in to compete with his New Jersey business).

Corporatism & Cronyism- not capitalism.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2018, 10:25:34 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on March 28, 2018, 09:12:49 pm
Cronyism is not Conservativism or Capitalism.

Government picking winners and losers ( like Union steel companies benefitting from tariffs) is also Fascism or versions of Communism.

But still his acolytes insist Trump is the most Conservative president we've ever had.

No he's not.  He's already to the Left of W Bush AFAIC.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2018, 10:28:30 pm »
Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.

Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2018, 10:42:12 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on March 28, 2018, 10:28:30 pm
Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.

Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.

No problem here with shipping.  Might have to do with whether there is a distribution center near you or whether the product is coming from a third-party seller.  Lately, if the distribution center  near me has it, someone delivers it to me by car (Amazon Logistics) in 48 hours.  Last order of mine was delivered by a young mother with 2 little ones in the back seat.  Adorable.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2018, 10:45:25 pm »
I don't have shipping issues either.  Bought my Mom an O2 Saturation meter, they promised two days and it was.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2018, 10:54:31 pm »
Quote from: Applewood on March 28, 2018, 10:42:12 pm
No problem here with shipping.  Might have to do with whether there is a distribution center near you or whether the product is coming from a third-party seller.  Lately, if the distribution center  near me has it, someone delivers it to me by car (Amazon Logistics) in 48 hours.  Last order of mine was delivered by a young mother with 2 little ones in the back seat.  Adorable.

We have a major distribution hub here, but I am not alone. If you check on the interwebs, you can find plenty of people with the same bitch. I'm a high volume buyer so I have a lot more chances for disappointment than other getting 1 or 2 packages a month.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2018, 11:27:51 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on March 28, 2018, 10:54:31 pm
We have a major distribution hub here, but I am not alone. If you check on the interwebs, you can find plenty of people with the same bitch. I'm a high volume buyer so I have a lot more chances for disappointment than other getting 1 or 2 packages a month.

High Volume or high maintenance?
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2018, 11:36:43 pm »
Quote from: Applewood on March 28, 2018, 07:07:59 pm
If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business. 

And contrary to what this report says --  if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands.  Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.

Perhaps I’m naive, but this seems like a really stupid thing for a populist liberal to do.

Since with Trump it is always about him, what does he expect to gain from this?
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2018, 11:39:40 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on March 28, 2018, 10:28:30 pm
Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.

Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.

I find it is often the USPS that is messing up my fix...
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2018, 11:45:07 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 28, 2018, 11:39:40 pm
I find it is often the USPS that is messing up my fix...

I get varied excuses. USPS sucks. Third party vendor lied. Night of the Lepus was playing in Sheboygan that day and it screwed up the timetables. I have to deal with one and two day delays with about 10% of my shit these days.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2018, 11:45:57 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on March 28, 2018, 10:28:30 pm
Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.

Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.

Of the hundreds of orders we get, the only ones that arrive beyond two days come from sellers, and we are informed of the delivery date when the item is purchased.

No other company comes even close to Amazon’s efficiency.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2018, 11:49:48 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 28, 2018, 11:39:40 pm
I find it is often the USPS that is messing up my fix...

USPS is the worst of the Amazon shipping vendors, they kind of blew the "SmartPost" thing.  UPS has gotten pretty good, and the Amazon delivery people are pretty darned good...here in the big city.

That reminds me, I need to drop a note to that bakery back in my home town that started shipping items by USPS.  I love their stuff, but USPS blew the last order.  That's twice in fewer than 6 orders.  Not buying again until they find another shipper.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2018, 01:20:00 am »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on March 28, 2018, 11:45:07 pm
I get varied excuses. USPS sucks. Third party vendor lied. Night of the Lepus was playing in Sheboygan that day and it screwed up the timetables. I have to deal with one and two day delays with about 10% of my shit these days.

Another thing too is weather.  You live east of me, correct?  4 Nor'easters delayed delivery along the east coast big time.  This winter in general has been a nightmare for many companies and shippers.  The online pharmacy from which I get my meds had a notice on its website advising patients of possible delays.  USPS, UPS and FedEx had similar notices on their websites too.  It's impossible to make deliveries during a blizzard...or hurricane...or wildfire...
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2018, 12:17:44 pm »
The only reason why he is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. 
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2018, 12:28:52 pm »
He can pry Amazon from my cold dead fingers, and I'm absolutely not the only one.  This is not a winning issue for the president.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2018, 12:43:35 pm »
Note that HQ2, like many other corporate projects, is the result of a bidding war for government subsidies and incentives.

Consider that one of the bids that didn't even make the semifinals offered $1.2 BILLION in "incentives." Now, consider how much the winner will have to offer! Amazon lives off corporate welfare just as much as, if not more than, any other major company.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2018, 12:45:12 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis on March 29, 2018, 12:17:44 pm
The only reason why he is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.

That is exactly what I was going to say.  This is pay back for all the shitty articles WaPo writes about Trump. 
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2018, 12:51:43 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on March 29, 2018, 12:43:35 pm
Note that HQ2, like many other corporate projects, is the result of a bidding war for government subsidies and incentives.

Consider that one of the bids that didn't even make the semifinals offered $1.2 BILLION in "incentives." Now, consider how much the winner will have to offer! Amazon lives off corporate welfare just as much as, if not more than, any other major company.

Not so fast pal. A lot of that money offered to Amazon from the shitholes of Buffalo and Rochester were to make the city habitable by normal people. Also those two garbage cities didn't even own what they were offering to Amazon....

Rochester’s bid required more incentives because many of the buildings being pitched were owned by private sector entities and the acquisition cost would have run deeper than Buffalo.

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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2018, 01:06:19 pm »
This sounds suspiciously like a strawman.
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Re: Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2018, 01:11:59 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis on March 29, 2018, 12:17:44 pm
The only reason why he is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.

Of course.  And I understand he wants to use anti-trust laws to execute his vendetta against Amazon.  I'm not sure that will fly.  Amazon isn't the only one that sells online.  There is competition.  I think Walmart might be its closest online competitor.  It's just that Amazon does online retail better than anyone else.

I have to ask Trump supporters.  Is this really the kind of president you want?  A 2-bit sociopathic dictator who will ignore the law and use the power of the federal government to execute revenge on anyone he doesn't like?  The Founding Fathers and their ancestors lived under kings who did this sort of thing on a regular basis.  The Founders were determined not to  live under authoritarian rule ever again.  That is why we have separation of powers and why we have a Constitution that spells out clearly the duties of government and the rights of our citizens.  Why would we want to trash the Constitution and disrespect the Founding Fathers by having an authoritarian ruler instead of the republic that has served us well for centuries?
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