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The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« on: March 22, 2018, 09:40:21 pm »
Be very afraid when Chuck Schumer reaches across the aisle to shower praise on President Trump
By Matt Welch
http://reason.com/blog/2018/03/22/the-two-parties-are-awful-on-almost-ever

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Today, as the Dow Jones Industrial Average was well on its way to a 700+-point drop, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) reached across the aisle in support of the very policy that was spooking investors: the Trump administration's embrace of trade wars, particularly against the backstabbing Chinese.

"I don't agree with President Trump on a whole lot, but today I want to give him a big pat on the back. He is doing the right thing when it comes to China," Schumer

said on the Senate floor, in comments that could easily be cut-and-pasted into a Trump campaign speech. "We have watched China rapaciously take advantage of America—of American jobs, of American workers, and of American intellectual property. China's ruthless in how they go after us: They do it quietly, they do it with a smile. And unfortunately, the previous presidents, Democrat and Republican, just stood by as China did what it did to us. President Trump is exactly right."

The proximate cause for Schumer's enthusiasm was Trump's announcement this afternoon that the U.S. would be slapping tariffs on as many as 1,300 Chinese products, while limiting China-based companies from purchasing American technology companies. The White House claims concurrently that the duties will impact $60 billion worth of goods yet have a "minimal impact" on American consumers. (As always, check out the Twitter feed of trade lawyer and Cato Institute adjunct Scott Lincicome for the ins and outs of the new rule.)

But there's a broader truth behind Schumer's grin. However this November shakes out, his party—and potentially the cereal killer himself—will have considerably more power than now. And in Trump, Democrats have a willing partner for some of their worst policy ideas, from trade to spending to anti-speech sex panics . . .


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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 09:48:02 pm »
We don't have two Parties.  We have a Uniparty.

A Statist Oligarchy who fling the little people the choices between Big Government Socialists or Communists as the difference.
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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 10:14:25 pm »
We don't have two Parties.  We have a Uniparty.

A Statist Oligarchy who fling the little people the choices between Big Government Socialists or Communists as the difference.
Well, guess what? It's what the people want.
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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 10:18:00 pm »
Well, guess what? It's what the people want.

Sure.  History shows that a people often goose-step and march to their own demise.

I won't be saluting or standing with them.

They are on their own and will eat the bitter harvest they have sown.  They and their posterity.

Poor John Adams is going to end up repenting in heaven that he spent half the effort to obtain the liberties this generation has discarded.
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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 10:24:09 pm »
Well, guess what? It's what the people want.

And, that sums up exactly why populism is such a bad idea.

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 10:27:05 pm »
And, that sums up exactly why populism is such a bad idea.

Every Trump supporter (populist) I know is hugely opposed to this spending bill so your assertion is
proven wrong.

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 10:32:42 pm »
Every Trump supporter (populist) I know is hugely opposed to this spending bill so your assertion is
proven wrong.

Yet Trump signs on anyway... Did you really expect this to not happen?

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 10:38:15 pm »
Well, guess what? It's what the people want.
Two thirds of the German electorate voted for one or another form of totalitarianism to the Reichstag in 1932, with Hitler's party achieving the plurality. Should
they have gotten what they wanted?


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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 10:39:33 pm »
Yet Trump signs on anyway... Did you really expect this to not happen?


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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2018, 10:43:02 pm »
Every Trump supporter (populist) I know is hugely opposed to this spending bill so your assertion is
proven wrong.

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2018, 12:20:24 am »
Two thirds of the German electorate voted for one or another form of totalitarianism to the Reichstag in 1932, with Hitler's party achieving the plurality. Should
they have gotten what they wanted?

You're not allowed to draw historical comparisons of human nature to what has happened before - especially if it's from Europe, Asia or Russia from the 30's according to the snowflakes who say you've lost your argument the moment you bring it up.

See America has evolved past the vices of human nature and its lust for power. Such things as has happened in history cannot ever happen here.

So.... just sayin' - in assistance to the Populists who want them a permanent Trump.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2018, 12:26:15 am »
. . . according to the snowflakes who say you've lost your argument the moment you bring it up.
Snowflakes are good for only one thing . . .



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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2018, 01:21:47 am »
Two thirds of the German electorate voted for one or another form of totalitarianism to the Reichstag in 1932, with Hitler's party achieving the plurality. Should
they have gotten what they wanted?
They wanted what they were promised, not what they got. The last time the American people gave the republicans all three branches we got the same result, not what they were promised but a bunch of liars spending like drunken sailors. As I recall the last time the American people threw their lying out!

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2018, 01:23:08 am »
They wanted what they were promised, not what they got. The last time the American people gave the republicans all three branches we got the same result, not what they were promised but a bunch of liars spending like drunken sailors. As I recall the last time the American people threw their lying out!
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I consider that an insult . . . to drunken sailors, that is. They spend their own money!  :laugh:


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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2018, 01:37:51 am »
@GtHawk
I consider that an insult . . . to drunken sailors, that is. They spend their own money!  :laugh:
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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 02:14:13 am »
Two thirds of the German electorate voted for one or another form of totalitarianism to the Reichstag in 1932, with Hitler's party achieving the plurality. Should
they have gotten what they wanted?
How could they not? It's the ultimate paradox.

If they want totalitarianism, and the system gives it to them, they end up under totalitarianism.

If they want totalitarianism, and the system does not give them the system they want... that's ignoring the will of the people in favor of a government's unilateral idea of what is "good for them," another form of totalitarianism.

Any system can be corrupted. Look at our court system, for example, and how much authority they have to twist law.
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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2018, 03:24:57 am »
If they want totalitarianism, and the system does not give them the system they want... that's ignoring the will of the people in favor of a government's unilateral idea of what is "good for them," another form of totalitarianism.
Customarily I am against government deciding what's good for anyone; it is incompetent to do so and, in a properly-governed United
States, it is constitutionally enjoined against doing so. I should oppose with equal passion a government refusing to reject the will of a mob
when that will would abrogate freedom and a majority mob that would do likewise. The mischief into which the courts sink notwithstanding,
and often I wonder whether we cry "judicial tyranny" not because a court has actually committed it but because it ruled contrary to the passion
of the moment, I should think the courts must revert to their core assignment of standing athwart both a government that oversteps its
properly construed bounds and a majority mob that would obstruct or abrogate freedom, even its own. Vox populi is no further vox
Dei
than the government and/or its chief executive is vox Dei.


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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2018, 04:18:01 am »
You're not allowed to draw historical comparisons of human nature to what has happened before - especially if it's from Europe, Asia or Russia from the 30's according to the snowflakes who say you've lost your argument the moment you bring it up.

See America has evolved past the vices of human nature and its lust for power. Such things as has happened in history cannot ever happen here.

So.... just sayin' - in assistance to the Populists who want them a permanent Trump.


    I'm late to this Thread @INVAR, but I knew, if anyone could, you would draw that Analogy.

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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2018, 05:15:23 am »
    I'm late to this Thread @INVAR, but I knew, if anyone could, you would draw that Analogy.


Actually, to be honest - I didn't draw that analogy in this thread.  Easy Ace did in response to jmyrlefuller.

I merely applied sarcasm to his notation as it applies to the modern rules of argument with sensitives who are easily offended at noting historical similarities with memes and zeitgeists.
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Re: The Two Parties Are Awful on Almost Everything Important
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2018, 05:51:17 am »
Customarily I am against government deciding what's good for anyone; it is incompetent to do so and, in a properly-governed United
States, it is constitutionally enjoined against doing so. I should oppose with equal passion a government refusing to reject the will of a mob
when that will would abrogate freedom and a majority mob that would do likewise. The mischief into which the courts sink notwithstanding,
and often I wonder whether we cry "judicial tyranny" not because a court has actually committed it but because it ruled contrary to the passion
of the moment, I should think the courts must revert to their core assignment of standing athwart both a government that oversteps its
properly construed bounds and a majority mob that would obstruct or abrogate freedom, even its own. Vox populi is no further vox
Dei
than the government and/or its chief executive is vox Dei.

Very nice, @EasyAce!
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