Age limit for buying AR-15 assault rifle 'on the table': White House

[driftdiver]

The prooblem isn't the man's age. It's not whether he bought the gun at an auto parts store or a flea market.   The issue is he made numerous threats of violence, had a history of mental illness both of which the police were notified of and they did nothing.

This isn't a gun problem it's a govt agencies didn't do their job problem.

Oh and if you conflate automatic and semi automatic when it comes to firearms you are not qualified to have an opinion on gun control.

[sneakypete]

The prooblem isn't the man's age. It's not whether he bought the gun at an auto parts store or a flea market.   The issue is he made numerous threats of violence, had a history of mental illness both of which the police were notified of and they did nothing.

This isn't a gun problem it's a govt agencies didn't do their job problem.

Oh and if you conflate automatic and semi automatic when it comes to firearms you are not qualified to have an opinion on gun control.

@driftdiver @240B

And there you have it. Especially the last sentence. If you don't know what you are talking about,your opinion doesn't matter,and you don't even know the difference between an auto parts store and a flea market,but think you are wise enough to tell the rest of us that your opinions are more important than facts when it comes to passing and enforcing laws that affect us.

That's "group hug,group hug!" territory you are coming from 240B.

[240B]

Oh and if you conflate automatic and semi automatic when it comes to firearms you are not qualified to have an opinion on gun control.

@driftdiver


Ok. I humbly bow to your superior knowledge. One question. And this is not sarcastic or snide or anything like that. I really would like to know what you think about the M16A4 set to 3 round burst. Is that automatic or semiauto?


Again, this is not a joke. I would enjoy knowing your opinion. For real.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver


Ok. I humbly bow to your superior knowledge. One question. And this is not sarcastic or snide or anything like that. I really would like to know what you think about the M16A4 set to 3 round burst. Is that automatic or semiauto?


Again, this is not a joke. I would enjoy knowing your opinion. For real.

@240B

Legally and mechanically any firearm that fires more then one round with one pull of the trigger is automatic.

Personally I hate the 3 round feature.   It compensates for a lack of training.

[240B]

@driftdiver





Is a Gatling gun automatic or semi automatic. ~200 rounds per minute 3 rounds per second. Please enlighten me. Because I think the definition is somewhat subjective. But that is just me because I am stupid in that way.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver





Is a Gatling gun automatic or semi automatic. ~200 rounds per minute 3 rounds per second. Please enlighten me. Because I think the definition is somewhat subjective. But that is just me because I am stupid in that way.

@240B

You can actually look that up on the BATF website I believe.  Not gonna play that game with you.

This isn't a gun problem despite what all the progressives say.

[240B]

@240B

Legally and mechanically any firearm that fires more then one round with one pull of the trigger is automatic.

Personally I hate the 3 round feature.   It compensates for a lack of training.

@driftdiver


Thank you for your response.


The M16A1 had full auto. It was issued in Vietnam. But that's when the Army discovered the 'spray and pray' syndrome. When the soldiers would contact enemy, being justifiably afraid and jittery, they would use up all their ammo in seconds. Then it was bayonets, grenades, or run like hell.


That is where the 3 round burst came from. It was deliberate by the Army to keep the soldiers from spaying all their ammo in a matter of minutes. The Army wanted them to slow down, to identify the target, and to shoot with deliberate intent.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver


Thank you for your response.


The M16A1 had full auto. It was issued in Vietnam. But that's when the Army discovered the 'spray and pray' syndrome. When the soldiers would contact enemy, being justifiably afraid and jittery, they would use up all their ammo in seconds. Then it was bayonets, grenades, or run like hell.


That is where the 3 round burst came from. It was deliberate by the Army to keep the soldiers from spaying all their ammo in a matter of minutes. The Army wanted them to slow down, to identify the target, and to shoot with deliberate intent.

@240B

In other words the added it because it was cheaper to do that then properly train the soldiers.

[240B]

@240B

In other words the added it because it was cheaper to do that then properly train the soldiers.

@driftdiver

Training? Come on. It's the Army. Training is minimal even today.

Q: Can you shoot a rifle?
A: Yeah, I think so.
That's good enough boy. Suit up, Get your rifle, and Get on the plane.

When you talk about SEALs, SF, Green Berets, SPEC OPS, and the like, that is a different story.

Reg Army have always been dogface joes.

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[thackney]

@IsailedawayfromFR


Yes. You are correct. I conflate the two because I tend to use them the same way. They seem like the same thing to me. Although, semi auto do use less ammunition. I did notice that.


Anything that you don't have to cock the hammer, or manually chamber a round, in my mind that is what I call an automatic weapon. It is a semantic thing that I can't seem to overcome.

Visit a gun range that rents both.  You won't ever confuse the two again if you shoot both.  Worlds of difference.

[thackney]

My 2 cents. As an NRA member and an owner of an AR I find nothing wrong with the age 21 proposal. With the exception being military. And there is nothing stopping the parent from being the buyer and gifter of the AR to their child, who would or should be the best judge of the child's maturity. Most of us gun owners got our first gun in that way.
Not all privileges of being adult begin at 18. Can't drink or visit a Casino until 21. Run for Congress until 25, and Senate age 30. President? Age 35. With age comes more responsibility and accountability.   But there will always be those who will accept no gun laws as constitutional.

Nearly every state has their own laws about ages for purchasing and possessing hand guns and long guns.  It should not be the role of the federal government to over-ride the state laws.

And if California want a set of rules different than Wyoming, good for them.

[thackney]

@driftdiver





Is a Gatling gun automatic or semi automatic. ~200 rounds per minute 3 rounds per second. Please enlighten me. Because I think the definition is somewhat subjective. But that is just me because I am stupid in that way.

If each round fired requires an mechanical action by the shooter, it is not an automatic.

The Gatling gun has been around for 150 years.  I don't see any reporting of them being used in crimes, attacking crowds, etc...  Tell about all the crimes you have seen them used in.

[RetBobbyMI]

Nearly every state has their own laws about ages for purchasing and possessing hand guns and long guns.  It should not be the role of the federal government to over-ride the state laws.

And if California want a set of rules different than Wyoming, good for them.

The last sentence in bold is exactly right, except for two conflicting reasons:
1) it is explicitly contrary to a stated right within the Constitution, and
2) it is the very reason anti-gun advocates are pushing a national agenda because they know states that follow the second amendment would allow overspill into those that don't, just like fireworks or cigarettes and booze with lower taxes.

[sneakypete]

@driftdiver



That is where the 3 round burst came from. It was deliberate by the Army to keep the soldiers from spaying all their ammo in a matter of minutes. The Army wanted them to slow down, to identify the target, and to shoot with deliberate intent.

No,it came from some asshat bureaucrat in uniform who had never spent a freaking single day of his life as an infantryman. I know of no weapon issued to the US military that was so universally hated at that piece of crap. It was all about somebody showing his authority. Special Forces,for one,refused to accept or issue it. I suspect more than one infantry division did also. It didn't last very long because it ended up getting people killed for no reason at all. You need a 3 position selector switch with Safe,Semi,and Auto positions because there are times when each are needed. There is NEVER a time when a 3 round burst is needed.

[sneakypete]

@driftdiver

Training? Come on. It's the Army. Training is minimal even today.

Q: Can you shoot a rifle?
A: Yeah, I think so.
That's good enough boy. Suit up, Get your rifle, and Get on the plane.

When you talk about SEALs, SF, Green Berets, SPEC OPS, and the like, that is a different story.

Reg Army have always been dogface joes.

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@240B

Your screen name is 240B and you spout THAT nonsense? There has only recently been a proposal to cut back on weapons training for people being trained for non-combat MOS's,but AFAIK the US Army and the USMC still spend a significant amount of time in basic doing weapons training. Those who do go on to combat arms MOS's get more training at their next duty station of course,but everybody knows the basics when they graduate from basic or they don't graduate.

[240B]

@240B

Your screen name is 240B and you spout THAT nonsense? There has only recently been a proposal to cut back on weapons training for people being trained for non-combat MOS's,but AFAIK the US Army and the USMC still spend a significant amount of time in basic doing weapons training. Those who do go on to combat arms MOS's get more training at their next duty station of course,but everybody knows the basics when they graduate from basic or they don't graduate.

@sneakypete


It's a joke boy, I say, I say, a joke. I know what training happens and yes it varies greatly by MOS. I was just making a joke son. Get with the program.