McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms

[Bigun]

I tend to think the GOP leadership was quietly supporting the IRS targeting Tea Party people because they wanted them out. That's why all those caught red handed in the IRS walked away with essentially no consequences while at the same time the GOP was making lots of noise for political points - herding the party faithful to raise money - but taking no actual action.

@DB

Of course they were!  We can't allow no read necked hicks to be up in here messin with our scam!

[driftdiver]

Mitch has said he doesn't care who is President.

[INVAR]

I tend to think the GOP leadership was quietly supporting the IRS targeting Tea Party people because they wanted them out. That's why all those caught red handed in the IRS walked away with essentially no consequences while at the same time the GOP was making lots of noise for political points - herding the party faithful to raise money - but taking no actual action.

BINGO!

Was my thought as well at the time.

Uniparty indeed.

[corbe]

    Personally, I'm waiting for the Mar~a~Lago 50 to start after these commercial breaks.

[MOD8]

@corbe go take a cold shower.

[libertybele]

Mitch has said he doesn't care who is President.

Why should he?  As long as he remains the senate majority leader or minority leader, it doesn't matter. He gets the power, $$ and benefits either way.

[aligncare]

If he doesn’t...I better.

[Mesaclone]

You cannot keep voting for the same idiots and have the same leadership and expect a different outcome.  Trump saw an opportunity to run for Prez based on the frustration of those on the right and for the most part he sold to people what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately I think many people fail to comprehend that Trump is one person and we have 535 members of Congress that play significant roles in determining what they will allow him to do as well as the courts.

That does not mean we should opt for simply handing the government over to the Obama-Hillary-Pelosi gang...and render in an era of Socialist dominance. Which is, precisely, what INVAR's proposed actions would achieve.

Under the Invar plan, there are no more Clarence Thomas's or Neil Gorsuch's...no more President fighting for a Wall...no more ending the Obamacare mandate...no more reasonable defense spending...no more holding the line on gun laws....etcetera. What he offers is complete capitulation...in the guise of a "feel good" pure, and miniscule, conservative 3rd party.

The GOP is flawed, but in its stumbling and erratic way, it actually fights the liberal tide...especially under President Trump. Invar's party would be utterly powerless...encompassing only a tiny minority of the conservative coalition. Its purpose nothing more than to ensure victory for the Left while allowing a few fringe conservatives to feel good about losing because they have pure ideals.

Better to fight on in a flawed party then simply surrender as Invar is advocating. Childish anger and political petulance...the equivalent of take my ball and go home because the team won't run MY play every time...is no way to defeat the Radical Liberalism that is crouching at our doorstep.

[Mesaclone]

    Personally, I'm waiting for the Mar~a~Lago 50 to start after these commercial breaks.

 

[INVAR]

That does not mean we should opt for simply handing the government over to the Obama-Hillary-Pelosi gang

Your party and it's leadership already has.  In fact your party FUNDED and continues to unapologetically FUND their agenda, while pretending they cannot do anything about it because they do not have the votes, where before it was they needed the Presidency, and before that the Senate and before that the House..... Your party was handed everything it needed and it told Conservatives to shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose while your leader vowed to crush our grassroots.

YOUR PARTY has consistently waged war on Conservatives and Conservatism, without laying a kid glove on Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid and their agenda which they funded or the corruption that they ignored wholesale.

What he offers is complete capitulation...in the guise of a "feel good" pure, and miniscule, conservative 3rd party.

You make me laugh when you accuse me of 'capitulation' when your party has made capitulation to Democrats an art form.   Your party just outspent Obama in deficit spending - and is hell-bent on Amnesty; no wall; no border security; no repeal of ObamaCare which they made permanent.   I LOVE this fear you are illustrating you have because your voter base has figured out your party is a fraud and a front for Liberal Statism.

YES - we will be working for a third party - and you can bitch and moan and cry as the day is long.  But it is already happening - and we're working to grow it.

it actually fights the liberal tide...

Translation: Do not believe what your own eyes see and your own ears hear!  The Republican Party is actually fighting the liberal tide by making Liberalism their own, making ObamCare permanent, granting Amensty and funding it all with deficits in the TRILLIONS!!

Better to fight on in a flawed party then simply surrender as Invar is advocating.

Your party declared war on us imbecile - and told us to shut up and vote or get out!

So yes, I totally surrender your party to the corrupt liberal statism that it now represents.  Your party does not share, nor uphold the principles that govern Conservative thought or belief. It is a wholly apostate party.  It is a wholly corrupt party.   So I'm busy making the argument to your former Conservative base that rather than fight in a party that will sell them and their cause out to the enemy in a heartbeat, they should enlist their aid in a different political party - fighting for a cause your party has already surrendered and abandoned. 

[Mesaclone]

You're simply dressing defeatism up as a noble death on a lonely besieged hill.

You're mad that Trump won...we get it. You want to take your ball and go home. We get that as well. But let's be clear, you do not speak for "conservatives", only for yourself and a few fringe types....the same old NeverTrump crowd that is OK with letting Hillary-Pelosi-Obama cabal win perpetual power. Here's a newsflash...our side, and by our side I mean all of the actual grown up conservatives...beat Hillary's a$$ into the ground in the election. Your side, and by your side I mean a small number of bitter and childish NeverTrumpr's, were literally rooting for the Left to beat Trump. And now...once again...you're acting to ensure the Left wins in 2018. How...usual.

But go and do your lunatic fringe little 3rd party...if all goes well you'll get 3% of the vote and hand the government back to the Dems. The adults will, on the other hand, fight with the President to hold back the Leftwing horde...maybe we will fail thanks to fools who can't see past their nose, but at least will fight the fight.

You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.

[Applewood]

@Mesaclone

You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.

"We?" I hope you are prepared to do your fighting without Trump.  He really doesn't care about you and your principles.  In fact, he went over to the other side a long time ago.  He only pretended to care about you when he needed your vote.  Now that he is president, he is going to give you over to his pals, the Democrats.  In fact, I believe he already has. You just don't realize it yet.

[INVAR]

You're simply dressing defeatism up as a noble death on a lonely besieged hill.

Your party has dressed up Liberalism in the clothing of Ronald Reagan and declared Liberalism and Statism-lite to be the new Conservatism.

That's hardly defeatism - that's pointing out reality that party hacks like yourself want to hide and redefine as 'dangerous' to the country.

You're mad that Trump won...we get it.

No.  I dumped your party in 2014.   I just found it instructive that you beguiled a voter base into believing that a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bigger Conservative than Reagan. Because that is what you and your party do now: working to convince everyone that Big Government liberalism is Conservatism and that to vote for anyone but a Republican even when they are liberals, is going to result in the death of the republic.

But let's be clear, you do not speak for "conservatives", only for yourself and a few fringe types....

You go think that.

Your party's fruits speak... NO, they SCREAM the opposite of what you claim.

Here's a newsflash...our side, and by our side I mean all of the actual grown up conservatives...beat Hillary's a$$ into the ground in the election. Your side, and by your side I mean a small number of bitter and childish NeverTrumpr's, were literally rooting for the Left to beat Trump. And now...once again...you're acting to ensure the Left wins in 2018. How...usual.

How illustrative.  In one breath, we are a small number of bitter and childish anti-Trump voters who refused to vote for your party - and in the next breath - we're a dire threat to the survival of the republic and will ensure the Left wins.

I know liberty does not mean a cup of warm spit to you and the party you shill for - but, we're going to continue to urge Conservatives to dump your failed and corrupt liberal party to go and join an actual Conservative party - and not just another arm of the Liberal Oligarchy in D.C.

But go and do your lunatic fringe little 3rd party...if all goes well you'll get 3% of the vote and hand the government back to the Dems.

Your party and it's leadership has already guaranteed that.  They worked hard to thwart what they were sent there to do in order to protect and push what the Democrats wanted.  To decree us fringe lunatics; enemies of the republic; traitors and the typical garbage you people have been flinging for a couple years now - is what we expect from Liberals who think liberty only exists if you vote for someone with an 'R' after their name and cheerlead every thing they do, even when it's the same thing the Democrats do - only bigger.

The adults will, on the other hand, fight with the President to hold back the Leftwing horde...maybe we will fail thanks to fools who can't see past their nose, but at least will fight the fight.

You are not fighting.  You're licking the boots of your liberal masters on the plantation in whom you think exists your entire being.

You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.

You make me laugh.

[Mesaclone]

@Mesaclone

"We?" I hope you are prepared to do your fighting without Trump.  He really doesn't care about you and your principles.  In fact, he went over to the other side a long time ago.  He only pretended to care about you when he needed your vote.  Now that he is president, he is going to give you over to his pals, the Democrats.  In fact, I believe he already has. You just don't realize it yet.

The man has fought for every conservative position conceivable...and I could care less if he "cares" about me. He fights for conservatism, he is battling the Pelosi-Hillary Axis on a daily basis...not to mention the deep state FBI/Justice Department garbage he's battling. So you are simply wrong in your assessment of the man. Some of you simply can't see past your personal dislike of the man...or your hatred of conservative populism...hell, I don't like him at a personal level...but the SOB is fighting and I'm happy to fight with him.

Too many on the Right are too weak, too bitter, or too pure to actually make a difference in stopping this liberal tide...Trump ain't pretty but he IS a fighter, and all the issues he's fighting for are conservative ones.

[driftdiver]

Your party and it's leadership already has.  In fact your party FUNDED and continues to unapologetically FUND their agenda, while pretending they cannot do anything about it because they do not have the votes, where before it was they needed the Presidency, and before that the Senate and before that the House..... Your party was handed everything it needed and it told Conservatives to shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose while your leader vowed to crush our grassroots.

YOUR PARTY has consistently waged war on Conservatives and Conservatism, without laying a kid glove on Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid and their agenda which they funded or the corruption that they ignored wholesale.

You make me laugh when you accuse me of 'capitulation' when your party has made capitulation to Democrats an art form.   Your party just outspent Obama in deficit spending - and is hell-bent on Amnesty; no wall; no border security; no repeal of ObamaCare which they made permanent.   I LOVE this fear you are illustrating you have because your voter base has figured out your party is a fraud and a front for Liberal Statism.

YES - we will be working for a third party - and you can bitch and moan and cry as the day is long.  But it is already happening - and we're working to grow it.

Translation: Do not believe what your own eyes see and your own ears hear!  The Republican Party is actually fighting the liberal tide by making Liberalism their own, making ObamCare permanent, granting Amensty and funding it all with deficits in the TRILLIONS!!

Your party declared war on us imbecile - and told us to shut up and vote or get out!

So yes, I totally surrender your party to the corrupt liberal statism that it now represents.  Your party does not share, nor uphold the principles that govern Conservative thought or belief. It is a wholly apostate party.  It is a wholly corrupt party.   So I'm busy making the argument to your former Conservative base that rather than fight in a party that will sell them and their cause out to the enemy in a heartbeat, they should enlist their aid in a different political party - fighting for a cause your party has already surrendered and abandoned.

@INVAR

Do you have any solutions?  Anything to make the country better?

[corbe]

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[aligncare]

You're simply dressing defeatism up as a noble death on a lonely besieged hill.

You're mad that Trump won...we get it. You want to take your ball and go home. We get that as well. But let's be clear, you do not speak for "conservatives", only for yourself and a few fringe types....the same old NeverTrump crowd that is OK with letting Hillary-Pelosi-Obama cabal win perpetual power. Here's a newsflash...our side, and by our side I mean all of the actual grown up conservatives...beat Hillary's a$$ into the ground in the election. Your side, and by your side I mean a small number of bitter and childish NeverTrumpr's, were literally rooting for the Left to beat Trump. And now...once again...you're acting to ensure the Left wins in 2018. How...usual.

But go and do your lunatic fringe little 3rd party...if all goes well you'll get 3% of the vote and hand the government back to the Dems. The adults will, on the other hand, fight with the President to hold back the Leftwing horde...maybe we will fail thanks to fools who can't see past their nose, but at least will fight the fight.

You go have your little surrender party without us...meanwhile, we'll stand in the breached wall and hold off the Commie horde.

Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.

[Mesaclone]

Your party has dressed up Liberalism in the clothing of Ronald Reagan and declared Liberalism and Statism-lite to be the new Conservatism.

That's hardly defeatism - that's pointing out reality that party hacks like yourself want to hide and redefine as 'dangerous' to the country.

No.  I dumped your party in 2014.   I just found it instructive that you beguiled a voter base into believing that a lifelong NY liberal Democrat is a bigger Conservative than Reagan. Because that is what you and your party do now: working to convince everyone that Big Government liberalism is Conservatism and that to vote for anyone but a Republican even when they are liberals, is going to result in the death of the republic.


You go think that.

Your party's fruits speak... NO, they SCREAM the opposite of what you claim.

How illustrative.  In one breath, we are a small number of bitter and childish anti-Trump voters who refused to vote for your party - and in the next breath - we're a dire threat to the survival of the republic and will ensure the Left wins.

I know liberty does not mean a cup of warm spit to you and the party you shill for - but, we're going to continue to urge Conservatives to dump your failed and corrupt liberal party to go and join an actual Conservative party - and not just another arm of the Liberal Oligarchy in D.C.

Your party and it's leadership has already guaranteed that.  They worked hard to thwart what they were sent there to do in order to protect and push what the Democrats wanted.  To decree us fringe lunatics; enemies of the republic; traitors and the typical garbage you people have been flinging for a couple years now - is what we expect from Liberals who think liberty only exists if you vote for someone with an 'R' after their name and cheerlead every thing they do, even when it's the same thing the Democrats do - only bigger.

You are not fighting.  You're licking the boots of your liberal masters on the plantation in whom you think exists your entire being.

You make me laugh.

Delusion and denial. Not really a philosophy for success...you might want to branch out, philosophically.
I actually feel sorry for you...you've constructed an entire fantasy world in which a Ted Cruz (GOP) is no different than a Hillary Clinton (Dem). And you believe it...not in a rational, well thought it way...but rather, as a tenet of religious faith. No amount of external evidence, reason or simple practicality can overcome your fantasy...you've lost yourself in it, and only you yourself can...hopefully...awaken from the bizarre dreamworld you've built.

Be well, and may one day the light of reason pierce the fog you've encased yourself in.

[INVAR]

Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.

No.  Wrong.

The problem is that we have been lectured that Conservatism is a losing proposition - and we must COMPROMISE and choose "the Lesser evil" because expecting "perfection" in actually applying Conservative principles is said to be an 'enemy' of the 'good'.

And what is 'the good'??  "The good" is liberalism or the Democrat agenda approved by Republicans in the spirit of bipartisanship. 

Ceding ground to the Left is what the GOP has demonstrated they are perfectionists at, while at the same time - going to war on Conservatives, rather than the Left they pretend to be opposed to.

The Republican party has rejected Conservatism in favor of more compassionate Big Government Statism demanded by the Chamber of Cronies In Commerce.

We got here because too many for too long have insisted that 'The perfect is the enemy of good!', so we accept greater and greater Liberal Socialism until we can no longer distinguish the difference between the two parties.  Conservatism works every time it is tried. 

Since that has been rejected and held in contempt by the Republican party and it's leadership - it is time to try getting it to work in a different party.

[Mesaclone]

Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.

Yes. Could not agree more. Too many prefer noble defeat to a messy and imperfect political victory. Worse, they don't understand that political victory in a Republic does not bestow absolute power on the party that wins...the system is designed to limit wild swings to the right or left. Our Founders were genius, but it is VERY frustrating to work change through the electoral process and balanced mechanisms of government...the battle is fought in inches rather than with the immediate full gratification of the winners. There are no quick fixes and much to the chagrin of conservatives everywhere, one electoral victory does not equate to the ability to create a conservative nirvana.

[Bigun]

Some prefer that the perfect be the enemy of the good. But in our politics, that road leads to a socialist damnation. And I strongly suspect that’s exactly how we got here, by always ceding ground to the Left.

I prefer that my servants in government actually work for things that are in my interest instead of the interests of K Street!  There are currently very few in that category.

[INVAR]

No amount of external evidence, reason or simple practicality can overcome your fantasy...you've lost yourself in it, and only you yourself can...hopefully...awaken from the bizarre dreamworld you've built.

You mean like the one you're in that preaches advancing Conservatism and saving the republic from Big Government Socialism means we must support a party of big government Socialism via voting for liberals because they have an 'R' after their name???  That kind of fantasy?

Be well, and may one day the light of reason pierce the fog you've encased yourself in.

Ah yes... "reason" : vote Republican or be known as lunatics, heretics and traitors to the country.

An Inquisition simply by another name.

[INVAR]

Worse, they don't understand that political victory in a Republic does not bestow absolute power on the party that wins...the system is designed to limit wild swings to the right or left. Our Founders were genius, but it is VERY frustrating to work change through the electoral process and balanced mechanisms of government...the battle is fought in inches rather than with the immediate full gratification of the winners. There are no quick fixes and much to the chagrin of conservatives everywhere, one electoral victory does not equate to the ability to create a conservative nirvana.

How stupid do you think we are to believe such stupid pap intended to whitewash the facts that your party hasn't delivered on what it promised in the last 8 years??

"There's no quick fixes, only incremental inches that we can possibly hope for (never mind that the Democrats shove their agenda down your throats in the middle of the night - and then we fund it).  So vote for us for the next 20 years and MAYBE - we might get around to doing what you sent us here to do..... but... you petulant children just do not understand that we are not here to do as you want - we are here to tell you what you need."

[Emjay]

@INVAR

Do you have any solutions?  Anything to make the country better?

I have a solution.  Put @INVAR on ignore.  He can ruin your whole day.

[INVAR]

I have a solution.  Put @INVAR on ignore.  He can ruin your whole day.

Well thank you @Emjay for letting me be aware that I have that kind of power over people like you.

You just made MY day.