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By Matt Kibbe
http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/11/the-tea-party-is-dead-long-live-liberty

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It has finally happened: The Tea Party is dead.

The grassroots movement that fought so hard for fiscal sanity in government over the past decade is no more. It was killed off by the very same Washington establishment it sought to overthrow. Its death leaves proponents of limited government with some big questions: What went wrong? And what do we do now?

For me, it's personal. For years, the Tea Party was my life, and I have the the battle scars—and tattoos—to prove it. When I was the President of FreedomWorks, I worked side by side with tens of thousands of citizen activists as a Tea Party organizer, organizing protests and knocking on doors, hoping to topple the Goliath of government. But now the party's over.

I know, you've heard it before. Virtually every Beltway pundit in DC has pronounced the Tea Party dead at one time or another. Republican Senators well past their sell-by dates and Democratic apparatchiks alike have gleefully built a cottage industry on the prediction.

But this time is different. Republicans, now controlling both the legislative and executive branches, jammed through a "CRomnibus" spending bill that strips any last vestiges of spending restraint from the budget process.

Gone are the Tea Party's biggest and most hard-fought policy victory—mandatory caps in domestic and defense spending. The budget deal replaces them with $300 billion in new spending over the next two years, and, in all likelihood, sets a precedent for greater spending in the decade to come.

It's 2009 all over again, with trillion dollar deficits, and red ink as far as the eye—or at least CBO projections—can see. As budget deals go, it's a total fiasco . . .


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Re: The Tea Party Is Officially Dead. It Was Killed By Partisan Politics.
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2018, 06:18:19 pm »
A lot of people stopped caring once a goper was in charge. Phonies.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2018, 08:50:51 pm »
https://reason.com/archives/2018/02/11/the-tea-party-is-dead-long-live-liberty
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It has finally happened: The Tea Party is dead.

The grassroots movement that fought so hard for fiscal sanity in government over the past decade is no more. It was killed off by the very same Washington establishment it sought to overthrow. Its death leaves proponents of limited government with some big questions: What went wrong? And what do we do now?

For me, it's personal. For years, the Tea Party was my life, and I have the the battle scars—and tattoos—to prove it. When I was the President of FreedomWorks, I worked side by side with tens of thousands of citizen activists as a Tea Party organizer, organizing protests and knocking on doors, hoping to topple the Goliath of government. But now the party's over.

I know, you've heard it before. Virtually every Beltway pundit in DC has pronounced the Tea Party dead at one time or another. Republican Senators well past their sell-by dates and Democratic apparatchiks alike have gleefully built a cottage industry on the prediction.

But this time is different. Republicans, now controlling both the legislative and executive branches, jammed through a "CRomnibus" spending bill that strips any last vestiges of spending restraint from the budget process.

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The Tea Party also wasn't partisan. It was held together by a common set of values that united an otherwise disparate group. What did the Tea Party stand for? I would ask everyone I met as I traveled the country. The answer was always some iteration of the same thing: "Individual freedom, fiscal responsibility, constitutionally-limited government, and free markets."

more at link.

I don't remember any of that stuff.  I remember the Tea Party springing up from Taxed Enough Already, and the effort to stop Obamacare.  Obama made some of the Bush tax cuts permanent.  The current Congress just passed another tax cut which included the end of the individual mandate of Obamacare (another tax) thus dooming Obamacare's future.  Maybe the Tea Party wasn't killed.  Maybe it won.


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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2018, 08:57:21 pm »
If the folks in Washington and Austin want to think the TEA party is dead that's just fine with me.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2018, 08:59:22 pm »
It's not dead.  It has just gone into a self-induced coma for self-preservation previous to the 2016 election, and now due to not being needed.  But rest assured.... it's still there.... waiting and watching.   
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2018, 09:00:07 pm »

I don't remember any of that stuff.

I sure as hell do.

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The current Congress just passed another tax cut which included the end of the individual mandate of Obamacare (another tax) thus dooming Obamacare's future.  Maybe the Tea Party wasn't killed.  Maybe it won.

FALSE. Tax cuts don't mean a dang thing if they aren't accompanied by fiscal restraint . They'll just print more money to cover the shortfall, and you'll take the increase as an inflated dollar.

I am all for tax cuts. I am also all for corporate rate reductions.
but the problem, and the nexus of governmental power, is to be found in the spending.

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2018, 09:08:59 pm »
I sure as hell do.

FALSE. Tax cuts don't mean a dang thing if they aren't accompanied by fiscal restraint . They'll just print more money to cover the shortfall, and you'll take the increase as an inflated dollar.

I am all for tax cuts. I am also all for corporate rate reductions.
but the problem, and the nexus of governmental power, is to be found in the spending.

We need to go back on the gold standard, get rid of the federal reserve banks, the Marxist income tax and it's attendant IRS.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2018, 09:29:56 pm »
We need to go back on the gold standard, get rid of the federal reserve banks, the Marxist income tax and it's attendant IRS.

All for it.
I am for anything and everything that strangles the federal beast. As long as it eats and gets air, it is going to keep on growing stronger.

I know it has to be there, but I'll like it better when it's barely suckin enough air to survive. That's the prize, and we better damn well keep our eye on it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2018, 10:02:14 pm »
We need to go back on the gold standard, get rid of the federal reserve banks, the Marxist income tax and it's attendant IRS.

You're dreaming.   In case you haven't noticed.... the GOP party has been leftie-compromised (RINOs).
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2018, 10:32:52 pm »
You're dreaming.   In case you haven't noticed.... the GOP party has been leftie-compromised (RINOs).

Just pointing out what needs doing.  Not remotely imagining the self serving bastards actually doing it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2018, 10:35:31 pm »
We need to go back on the gold standard, get rid of the federal reserve banks, the Marxist income tax and it's attendant IRS.

You had me cheering you until you went all in on Dr. Paul with the gold standard thing.  It's impossible to do that in this day and age and isn't fiscally smart.

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2018, 10:42:16 pm »
You had me cheering you until you went all in on Dr. Paul with the gold standard thing.  It's impossible to do that in this day and age and isn't fiscally smart.

Fiscally smart for whom?  Us or the government?
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2018, 10:43:00 pm »
We need to go back on the gold standard, get rid of the federal reserve banks, the Marxist income tax and it's attendant IRS.

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 11:17:59 pm »
I sure as hell do.

OK.  Consider that is what you brought to the Tea Party, and I'll consider a the Tea Party rose out of a deep reverence for the constitution few have actually read.  My recollection is the Tea Party got bigger, and some subgroups incorporated free trade and that constitution thing. 

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FALSE. Tax cuts don't mean a dang thing if they aren't accompanied by fiscal restraint . They'll just print more money to cover the shortfall, and you'll take the increase as an inflated dollar.

I am all for tax cuts. I am also all for corporate rate reductions.
but the problem, and the nexus of governmental power, is to be found in the spending.

While I agree that logically a deep tax cut results in deficits, I think it is hard to overstate the stupidity of the American voter and I'm pretty sure they like the tax cut.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 11:29:29 pm »
The Tea Party Is Officially Dead. It Was Killed By Partisan Politics.

WRONG.

The Tea Party killed itself by putting their faith in a corrupted party and then sat on their hands when those they voted for had absolutely no intention of applying what they demanded their reps do.

It was severely wounded by the Republican Party Leadership in whom they wrongly trusted and the Deep State Oligarchy who saw them as a direct threat and immediately went to war to destroy and 'crush it'.

Then the Tea Party committed suicide by making Trump their national savior and solution to the very problems they assumed he was going to fix by his mere presence and breath of his mouth and power of his thumbs.

Now that the Republican Party under Trump has done exactly what one could have expected from an entirely Democrat-controlled government in terms of deficit spending to oblivion - the Tea Party rests and thinks the problems are solved because they have Trump at the helm.

They made themselves and Conservatism irrelevant.

Which, is what we warned was going to happen in the age of Trump.  Pragmatic status-quo populism is all that matters now, even when it destroys the future for our kids and grandkids.



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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2018, 11:38:24 pm »
The TEA Party was killed by the Tea Party movement.

Stay-at-home social conservatives with lots of time on their hands took over TEA party groups across the country and killed them off by instituting religious tests.  Libertarians and fiscal conservatives were big participants in the TEA party rallies until they were told they weren't welcome.  Once membership plummeted, it was hard to be much of a movement.

As a pathetic shadow of their former self, it has limped along to the point of finally supporting big spenders. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 11:41:52 pm »
We need to go back on the gold standard, get rid of the federal reserve banks, the Marxist income tax and it's attendant IRS.

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2018, 12:28:37 am »
Just pointing out what needs doing.  Not remotely imagining the self serving bastards actually doing it.

We know what needs to be done.  And hell, even they (or some of them) know what needs to be done.  They're just not willing to do what needs to be done.  And for that, I refuse to keep voting for them, blindly and naively....  (repeating ad infinitum ...the very definition of insanity)... and then the feeling of disgust at having been 'played' again.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2018, 12:41:58 am »
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,303671.0.html

Posted earlier here. It does look more like an editorial though.

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2018, 12:42:34 am »
Fiscally smart for whom?  Us or the government?

It's not good for the people or the Government in the 21st century.  Unless you want to drag the rest of the world into financial chaos with us.  Which is what would happen if we moved back to the Gold Standard.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2018, 12:45:04 am »
It's not that the TEA Party is dead.   It's that there are only 5 or so members of Congress that actually give a damn about not spending money we don't have.

Taxed Enough Already?  Good grief, the total of every single dollar of Federal Income Tax paid into the Treasury does not cover the amount of 'entitlements' paid directly to individuals.

Enough already!
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2018, 12:46:07 am »
The TEA Party was killed by the Tea Party movement.

Stay-at-home social conservatives with lots of time on their hands took over TEA party groups across the country and killed them off by instituting religious tests.  Libertarians and fiscal conservatives were big participants in the TEA party rallies until they were told they weren't welcome.  Once membership plummeted, it was hard to be much of a movement.

As a pathetic shadow of their former self, it has limped along to the point of finally supporting big spenders.

It's not social conservatives fault if stay-at-home pot smoking libertarians can never muster more than 4% of the vote in national elections. Try your bitter slander elsewhere.

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2018, 12:50:31 am »
Merged duplicate topics.

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2018, 12:55:43 am »
It's not good for the people or the Government in the 21st century.  Unless you want to drag the rest of the world into financial chaos with us.  Which is what would happen if we moved back to the Gold Standard.

Sorry but I'm just going to have to completely disagree with you.
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2018, 12:57:24 am »
:amen:   :thumbsup:

Before you start the kudos you and @Bigun should really research the facts.

The gold standard suits a political moment. Tying the dollar to an arbitrary quantity of shiny metal binds policy makers’ hands, robbing them of their discretion to act: The central bank can’t adjust the money supply to counteract crises or prevent them. These limits, for many Republicans, are good things. The gold standard is essentially the monetary equivalent of a government shutdown.

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When the central bank fixes the dollar price of gold, rather than the price of goods we consume, fluctuations in the dollar price of goods replace fluctuations in the market price of gold.

Since prices are tied to the amount of money in the economy, which is linked to the supply of gold, inflation depends on the rate that gold is mined.

When the gold standard is used at home and abroad, it is an exchange rate policy in which international transactions must be settled in gold.

Digging gold out of one hole in the ground (a mine) to put it into another hole in the ground (a vault) wastes resources.

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More broadly, a gold standard suffers from some of the same problems as any fixed-exchange rate system. Not only can’t the exchange rate adjust to buffer external shocks, but the commitment invites speculative attacks because it lacks time consistency. Under a gold standard, the scale of the central bank’s liabilities—currency plus reserves—is determined by the gold it has in its vault. Imagine that, as a consequence of an extended downturn, people come to fear a currency devaluation. That is, they worry that the central bank will raise the dollar price of gold. In such a circumstance, it will be natural for investors to take their dollars to the central bank and exchange them for gold. The doubts that motivate such a run can be self-fulfilling: once the central bank starts to lose gold reserves, it can quickly be compelled to raise its dollar price, or to suspend redemption entirely. This is what happened in 1931 to the Bank of England, when it was driven off the gold standard. It happened again in 1992 (albeit with foreign currency reserves rather than gold) when Britain was compelled to abandon its fixed exchange rate.

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the gold standard helped spread the Great Depression from the United States to the rest of the world. The gold standard was a global arrangement that formed the basis for a virtually universal fixed-exchange rate regime in which international transactions were settled in gold. This meant that a country with an external deficit—one whose imports exceed its exports—was required to pay the difference by transferring gold to countries with external surpluses. The loss of gold forced the deficit country’s central bank to shrink its balance sheet, reducing the quantity of money and credit in the economy, and driving domestic prices down. Put differently, under a gold standard, countries running external deficits face deflationary pressure. A surplus country’s central bank faced no such pressure, as it could choose whether to convert higher gold stocks into money or not. Put another way, a central bank can have too little gold, but it can never have too much.

This policy asymmetry helped transmit financial shocks in the United States abroad. By the late 1920s, the major economies had restored the pre-World War I gold standard. At the time, both the United States and France were running external surpluses, absorbing the world’s gold into their central bank vaults. But, instead of allowing the gold inflows to expand the quantity of money in their financial systems, authorities in both countries tightened monetary policy to resist booming asset prices and other signs of overheating. The result was catastrophic, compelling deficit countries with gold outflows to tighten their monetary policies even more. As the quantity of money available worldwide shrank, so did the price level, adding to the real burden of debt, and prompting defaults and bank failures virtually around the world.


Countries around the world have their economies tied to the value of the dollar.  If you want to drag down the global economy into chaos and ruin...return the U.S. to the Gold standard.

It's a fiscal policy that might have worked in the 19th and early 20th Centuries but it would be an utter failure in the 21st Century.  It's revisionist and would ruin our economy since we are not dealing on a global economic state and not just within the confines of our own borders.

But hey if you want to drag the country back to the economic stability of the 1920's sure...go ahead and cheerlead for a return to the gold standard.  **nononono*
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