New Jersey Bill Bans Rifles, Shotguns and Pistols With One “Military Feature”

[txradioguy]

With the take over of the New Jersey Governor’s office by rabid gun banning Democrat, Phil Murphy, the first attack on NJ gun owners rights and property, of what will be many, has been launched. The proposed bill would ban most all the rifles and shotguns you currently own and legally bought under the current NJ laws.

Sponsored by state senator Senator Nia H. Gill this bill would “strengthen” the State’s current assault weapons ban by revising the definition of an “assault weapon” to include: rifles with detachable magazines and one military style feature; semi-automatic shotguns with one military style feature; and semi-automatic pistols with one military style feature.

The current definition of an assault weapon sets forth a list of prohibited firearms and specifically includes any firearm that is “substantially identical” to any of the enumerated firearms. Under State regulations, a semi-automatic firearm is to be considered substantially identical to an enumerated firearm if it meets certain criteria.

This bill codifies these regulations while expanding the number of firearms that would be considered assault weapons by adding criteria and reducing the number of criteria that must be met from two to one. For example, under current regulations, a semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two listed criteria would be considered an assault weapon.

These criteria include:
– a folding telescoping stock,
– a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
– a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
– and a grenade launcher.

Under the bill, additional criteria are added including a thumbhole stock and a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand. The bill also requires that only one criteria be met, rather than the currently required two.


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/robert-farago/new-jersey-bill-bans-rifles-shotguns-pistols-one-military-feature/

[skeeter]

As if a pistol grip and grenade launcher are equally menacing.

BTW, are grenades legal in NJ?

[edpc]

Not having a flash suppressor will give away your position when there’s Darkness On The Edge Of Town.  I can Prove It All Night.

[XenaLee]

With the take over of the New Jersey Governor’s office by rabid gun banning Democrat, Phil Murphy, the first attack on NJ gun owners rights and property, of what will be many, has been launched. The proposed bill would ban most all the rifles and shotguns you currently own and legally bought under the current NJ laws.

Sponsored by state senator Senator Nia H. Gill this bill would “strengthen” the State’s current assault weapons ban by revising the definition of an “assault weapon” to include: rifles with detachable magazines and one military style feature; semi-automatic shotguns with one military style feature; and semi-automatic pistols with one military style feature.

The current definition of an assault weapon sets forth a list of prohibited firearms and specifically includes any firearm that is “substantially identical” to any of the enumerated firearms. Under State regulations, a semi-automatic firearm is to be considered substantially identical to an enumerated firearm if it meets certain criteria.

This bill codifies these regulations while expanding the number of firearms that would be considered assault weapons by adding criteria and reducing the number of criteria that must be met from two to one. For example, under current regulations, a semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two listed criteria would be considered an assault weapon.

These criteria include:
– a folding telescoping stock,
– a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
– a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
– and a grenade launcher.

Under the bill, additional criteria are added including a thumbhole stock and a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand. The bill also requires that only one criteria be met, rather than the currently required two.


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/robert-farago/new-jersey-bill-bans-rifles-shotguns-pistols-one-military-feature/

Who gets to determine if said pistol grip 'protrudes' enough to qualify as banned?  Won't that just equate to 'all' pistol grips being an excuse to ban?   

[Jazzhead]

This is silly, feel-good legislation that isn't efficacious.   Probably legal under the Second Amendment, but stupid.   

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Who gets to determine if said pistol grip 'protrudes' enough to qualify as banned?  Won't that just equate to 'all' pistol grips being an excuse to ban?   

Like all thieving gun control laws.

Form and hot air over substance, like the jerks who pass them.

[txradioguy]

Who gets to determine if said pistol grip 'protrudes' enough to qualify as banned?  Won't that just equate to 'all' pistol grips being an excuse to ban?  

Yes it will.

[skeeter]

Not having a flash suppressor will give away your position when there’s Darkness On The Edge Of Town.  I can Prove It All Night.

Might as well stand right up and let it shoot through ya.

Become a spirit in the night.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Our side should be registering, banning, and confiscating all Democrat office holders.

Public Safety Measure.

For the Children.

Make Schools Democrat Free Zones.

Tax them out of every dime they own, by applying their own Marxist Tax Schemes to them.

Wouldn't be anymore illegal or stupid than what They're always up to.

[Cyber Liberty]

This is silly, feel-good legislation that isn't efficacious.   Probably legal under the Second Amendment, but stupid.

Outlawing guns that go "bang!" is probably legal under your varying definitions. Especially if somebody wants to carry it outside of one's house. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Our side should be registering, banning, and confiscating all Democrat office holders.

Public Safety Measure.

For the Children.

Make Schools Democrat Free Zones.

Tax them out of every dime they own, by applying their own Marxist Tax Schemes to them.

Wouldn't be anymore illegal or stupid than what They're always up to.

Force Democrats to register and carry extra insurance for being Democrats.  We insure automobiles, so it just makes sense.

[Jazzhead]

Outlawing guns that go "bang!" is probably legal under your varying definitions. Especially if somebody wants to carry it outside of one's house. 

Did you read my post?   I said it was stupid.  That means I don't support it.   But, yeah, it's probably legal under the Second Amendment. 

Remember the context of the Second Amendment - it is a command that, because a well-regulated militia is necessary for the survival of a free state,  the Federal government may not infringe a citizen's right to keep and bear arms.   But those "well regulated militias" were all creations of the several states and their political subdivisions.  So the reach of the Tenth Amendment remains relevant.  The Second Amendment does not trump the Tenth.   

[Gefn]

Gov Murphy will make Gov Christie seem like a good gov.

My psychic prediction

[Cyber Liberty]

Did you read my post?   I said it was stupid.  That means I don't support it.   But, yeah, it's probably legal under the Second Amendment. 

Remember the context of the Second Amendment - it is a command that, because a well-regulated militia is necessary for the survival of a free state,  the Federal government may not infringe a citizen's right to keep and bear arms.   But those "well regulated militias" were all creations of the several states and their political subdivisions.  So the reach of the Tenth Amendment remains relevant.  The Second Amendment does not trump the Tenth.

If you still maintain the Second is subject to "reasonable regulation" then it doesn't trump anything, including city ordinances that prohibit things that go "Bang!"  Yeah, I read your post, so should I add "illiterate" to the list of names you've called me now?

[driftdiver]

They focus on law abiding gun owners and yet their state is a laughing stock of the country for how horrible places like Newark are.

[jpsb]

Did you read my post?   I said it was stupid.  That means I don't support it.   But, yeah, it's probably legal under the Second Amendment. 

Remember the context of the Second Amendment - it is a command that, because a well-regulated militia is necessary for the survival of a free state,  the Federal government may not infringe a citizen's right to keep and bear arms.   But those "well regulated militias" were all creations of the several states and their political subdivisions.  So the reach of the Tenth Amendment remains relevant.  The Second Amendment does not trump the Tenth.

Do you also think that the several states have a right to regulate speech and religion? That only state approved speech may be spoken. Or that only state approved religion may be practiced?

[austingirl]

I couldn't avoid a gun "discussion" with my ultraliberal sister-in-law at Christmas. She brought it up so I responded. Out of nowhere she said, "I hate guns."

I said, "I like guns. When seconds count, the police are minutes away." I smiled.

She shrieked, "I don't care! If someone has a gun and wants to shoot me..." throwing out her arms dramatically, "then I'll die!"

Natural selection, right there!

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Force Democrats to register and carry extra insurance for being Democrats.  We insure automobiles, so it just makes sense.

@Cyber Liberty

In a grocery store check out line, in urban Commie-Fornia.

Squat little bearded butterball was telling everyone, and no one was listing, how Awful it was that a 'Child' had got shot for breaking into someone's home at night.

Counting out what I owed the store, I said "Good, teach the others a lesson."

Idiot blew up. Outrage and more outrage.

Asked me, dead serious, "Come on, didn't you ever let yourself into someone else's place when you were a kid?"

Talk about putting yourself in the line of fire.

I thought the answer I gave him was going to send him into vapor-lock.

Wasn't loud, and it wasn't many other people, but I did get a short round of applause and smiles.

Same scene on another night. Fool arguing for late term abortion.

I told him he was supporting murder.

I still cherish the vision of the Mom in front of me who took her 8 or 9 year old daughter by the shoulder, wearing a great big grin, and pointed the young lady so she could get a good look straight at me putting the fear of Jesus into this A**hole.


The whole State's not off its rocker. Just the Criminal Syndicate who've seized control of it.

[libertybele]

Who gets to determine if said pistol grip 'protrudes' enough to qualify as banned?  Won't that just equate to 'all' pistol grips being an excuse to ban?   

That was my thought as well.

We are so screwed if we don't retain the majority. 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

That was my thought as well.

We are so screwed if we don't retain the majority.

Absolutely correct, as distasteful as SOME of our R branded Clowns are.

The argument that 'They're all the same so I'm Morally Above it all by not voting for them' is self centered and delusional.


Ronald Wilson Reagan

[Frank Cannon]

It's New Jersey people. They have never been even close to gun friendly.

[WingNot]

Might as well stand right up and let it shoot through ya.

Become a spirit in the night.

 

Anybody want to go on up to Greasy Lake?

[WingNot]

I couldn't avoid a gun "discussion" with my ultraliberal sister-in-law at Christmas. She brought it up so I responded. Out of nowhere she said, "I hate guns."

I said, "I like guns. When seconds count, the police are minutes away." I smiled.

She shrieked, "I don't care! If someone has a gun and wants to shoot me..." throwing out her arms dramatically, "then I'll die!"

Natural selection, right there!

Your Brother must have imported her from outside of the good parts of Texas.

[edpc]

It's New Jersey people. They have never been even close to gun friendly.

That's a fact.  Its been all downhill since that goddammed gun grabber Washington seized the Hessian arsenal in Trenton back in 1776.

[WingNot]

That's a fact.  Its been all downhill since that goddammed gun grabber Washington seized the Hessian arsenal in Trenton back in 1776.

Yeah.  And look how that turned out..Got us into a shootin war.