Question of the Day: What Do Gun Control Advocates Mean by “Common Sense”?

[Jazzhead]

The places in the US with the highest rates of gun violence, have the most restrictive gun laws.  Is that efficacious? Is that reasonable?

I don't know - it depends on the law.   Some are efficacious and reasonable, others not.   Places with higher rates of gun violence tend to be urban areas - I don't think the kinds of gun laws really affect the statistics.   Other factors have more weight.   New York City has, for example,  less than half the gun violence per capita that Chicago does, yet each are considered to have copious gun regulations.   

[Jazzhead]

There's nothing unfair about a sales tax to retail sales of ammunition, many states have sales taxes.

A specific targeted tax on ammunition (as with tobacco), however, has only one practical purpose - to discourage its purchase. And that is the definition of infringement.

I think you'd get further with that argument if the special tax were applied to the gun itself.    Ammo?  Have you seen a case where the 2nd Amendment was seen as prohibiting the infringement of a right to buy bullets?   

[Restored]

Cars that are used for their intended purpose must be licensed or insured.   So should a gun.  (If you want to render a firearm inoperable and mount it on a wall, then, yes I agree, you shouldn't need to register or insure it.)   But guns and cars are both (i) useful and (ii) dangerous.   It is not an infringement of the right to own a car or a gun to require it be registered and insured when it is to be used for its intended purpose.

But a truck you use solely on private land does not need to be insured or registered because it won't be operated in public. If you put it on a trailer and tow it on the roads, you don't need to license or insure it IOW you can carry it publicly with paying money. They only time you need to pay for it is when you operate it on the roads.

I'm OK with making people pay money to shoot their gun in the street.

[driftdiver]

I don't know - it depends on the law.   Some are efficacious and reasonable, others not.   Places with higher rates of gun violence tend to be urban areas - I don't think the kinds of gun laws really affect the statistics.   Other factors have more weight.   New York City has, for example,  less than half the gun violence per capita that Chicago does, yet each are considered to have copious gun regulations.

@Jazzhead
Seems it would be more reasonable to ban cities if thats where the crime is.

I saw some stats not too long ago, that 99% of murders take place in less than 5% of the counties. 

You still refuse to address the question I posed to you

[Jazzhead]

I'm OK with making people pay money to shoot their gun in the street.

And what I'm talking about is the regulation of open or concealed carry in the public square.

[txradioguy]

I think you'd get further with that argument if the special tax were applied to the gun itself.

The states that are the most egregious violators of the 2nd amendment have also placed specific sales taxes per gun in addition to the normal sales tax on the purchase.

Ammo?  Have you seen a case where the 2nd Amendment was seen as prohibiting the infringement of a right to buy bullets?   

A gun without ammo is just a crappy club or a poor man's hammer.  The gun is useless without the bullets.

But then you knew that.

[txradioguy]

And what I'm talking about is the regulation of open or concealed carry in the public square.

You're talking about infringement and the 2nd Amendment says that's not allowed...not even by the 10th Amendment.

[driftdiver]

Cars that are used for their intended purpose must be licensed or insured.   So should a gun.  (If you want to render a firearm inoperable and mount it on a wall, then, yes I agree, you shouldn't need to register or insure it.)   But guns and cars are both (i) useful and (ii) dangerous.   It is not an infringement of the right to own a car or a gun to require it be registered and insured when it is to be used for its intended purpose.

@Jazzhead
Do  you argue that printing presses, pens and pencils should also be  registered.

Maybe we should also register all black people, ya know just to prove they arent a slave any more.

[INVAR]

But what it should mean is something more specific - gun regulation that is efficacious;  that will actually achieve a measurable result in reducing the cost or frequency of gun violence in exchange for the restriction of Second Amendment rights.

Which makes you a domestic enemy of the Constitution and our liberties.

Good job once again outing yourself as a police-Statist who hates our liberties with as much passion as Communists do.

[driftdiver]

And what I'm talking about is the regulation of open or concealed carry in the public square.

@Jazzhead
So how is restricting a right to ones home not an infringement?

[txradioguy]

But a truck you use solely on private land does not need to be insured or registered because it won't be operated in public. If you put it on a trailer and tow it on the roads, you don't need to license or insure it IOW you can carry it publicly with paying money. They only time you need to pay for it is when you operate it on the roads.

I'm OK with making people pay money to shoot their gun in the street.

I have no problem with the insurance part...as long as it's voluntary.

I chose to insure my weapons as part of my renters insurance with USAA.

I chose to insure myself and my wife against a gun grabbing DA or a family member of the POS that breaks into my house or tries to rob me and I'm forced to shoot them.


But if I chose to stop paying the extra money for said insurance...that should be my right as well....it shouldn't be something that is required as part of your right to own a gun.

[Restored]

And what I'm talking about is the regulation of open or concealed carry in the public square.

To follow your car analogy, you would have to be operating the gun in the public square which means shooting it. You can transport a car without licensing or insuring.

Besides guns are not inherently dangerous. People are almost never killed by guns. They are killed by bullets. A car that never leaves your garage does not need to be licensed or insured because it's not going anywhere. I know because I have one of these. So you would only need license and insure guns that are loaded at all times and being carried in public. That's why I had to get a Conceal Carry permit.

[driftdiver]

I have no problem with the insurance part...as long as it's voluntary.

I chose to insure my weapons as part of my renters insurance with USAA.

I chose to insure myself and my wife against a gun grabbing DA or a family member of the POS that breaks into my house or tries to rob me and I'm forced to shoot them.


But if I chose to stop paying the extra money for said insurance...that should be my right as well....it shouldn't be something that is required as part of your right to own a gun.

Lets add a 10 day waiting period to buy a car.

[txradioguy]

@Jazzhead
Do  you argue that printing presses, pens and pencils should also be  registered.

Maybe we should also register all black people, ya know just to prove they arent a slave any more.

All Jazzy needs to do is watch a couple episodes of LivePD on any Friday or Saturday night to see just how many people in this country don't have a DL or insurance on their vehicles.

[Restored]

I have no problem with the insurance part...as long as it's voluntary.

So you support the Right to Choose.

[driftdiver]

To follow your car analogy, you would have to be operating the gun in the public square which means shooting it. You can transport a car without licensing or insuring.

Besides guns are not inherently dangerous. People are almost never killed by guns. They are killed by bullets. A car that never leaves your garage does not need to be licensed or insured because it's not going anywhere. I know because I have one of these. So you would only need license and insure guns that are loaded at all times and being carried in public. That's why I had to get a Conceal Carry permit.

@Restored

That line of reasoning will lead to the permit being a license to own a firearm.

[txradioguy]

Lets add a 10 day waiting period to buy a car.

May as well since it's going to be operated...in the public square.

[txradioguy]

So you support the Right to Choose.

Where guns are concerned...most definitely.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
Do  you argue that printing presses, pens and pencils should also be  registered.

Maybe we should also register all black people, ya know just to prove they arent a slave any more.

Now you're just being stupid.  Carry on, folks, I'm getting back to work.   

[Axeslinger]

@txradioguy @driftdiver @INVAR
Why are y’all bothering to argue with TBRs resident exceedingly confused or lying l*****d (because it’s either confused thinking it’s a conservative or lying to us about what it is)?  The only thing @Jazzhead understands is this:

Screw you!  If you want to INFRINGE on my God given right to self defense and resistance to tyranny, which is what you espouse in so much flowery language, then come and take themselves you ******* ****.  And please save me the trouble of putting your silly ass on ignore: Don’t bother replying with more of your ludicrous BS.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy @driftdiver @Restored
Why are y’all bothering to argue with TBRs resident exceedingly confused or lying libtard (because it’s either confused thinking it’s a conservative or lying to us about what it is)?  The only thing @Jazzhead understands is this:

Screw you!  If you want to INFRINGE on my God given right to self defense and resistance to tyranny, which is what you espouse in so much flowery language, then come and take themselves you gutless puke.  And please save me the trouble of putting your silly ass on ignore: Don’t bother replying with more of your ludicrous BS.

Well...when you put it that way... 

[driftdiver]

@txradioguy @driftdiver @INVAR
Why are y’all bothering to argue with TBRs resident exceedingly confused or lying libtard (because it’s either confused thinking it’s a conservative or lying to us about what it is)?  The only thing @Jazzhead understands is this:

Screw you!  If you want to INFRINGE on my God given right to self defense and resistance to tyranny, which is what you espouse in so much flowery language, then come and take themselves you gutless puke.  And please save me the trouble of putting your silly ass on ignore: Don’t bother replying with more of your ludicrous BS.

@Axeslinger
Cause I love pointing out his hypocrisy.   Not to mention nobody has yet mentioned that other name that is so common and Im trying to keep it going.  knock on wood

[driftdiver]

Well...when you put it that way... 

Oh BTW or my upcoming birthday I get to buy a new

[truth_seeker]

Entering Chicago with their gun laws is dangerous like destruction derby.

And entering unrestricted areas for gun owners is like a road system of well mannered law abiding drivers.

Clue: Bad people ignore gun laws and good people don't need tham.

[Cyber Liberty]

And please save me the trouble of putting your silly ass on ignore: Don’t bother replying with more of your ludicrous BS.

Please don't deprive me of one of the greatest pleasures I derive from TBR:  Watching @Jazzhead lecture us on what "conservative" means....