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Concerned wrote:
"I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!"

They have someone.
The problem is not that he isn't leading --- it's that they're not following.

And I think leaders have a responsibility to figure out a way to motivate the troops to follow them.   One thing that often helps is to clearly communicate to the troops, the vision, values, and objectives.  Here’s an example of the lack of leadership just from yesterday:
 
“As negotiations continue, GOP senators say they need to see what Trump would sign before they can proceed.

"I'm looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign," McConnell told reporters Wednesday. "As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and therefore solve the problem."

I've found that good leaders will often lay out the broad strokes or the lines in the road and then let the troops operate within them and negotiate the details.  Poor leaders fail to communicate what they want or keep moving the goal posts for their troops.  Not surprisingly, this frustrates the troops and often causes them not to want to follow that poor leader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/senate-will-take-up-immigration-daca-bill-that-trump-supports-mitch-mcconnell-says.html
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Concerned wrote:
"I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!"

They have someone.
The problem is not that he isn't leading --- it's that they're not following.

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Ah, but he is leading, and your positive attitude towards our POTUS and this country has been noted once again!
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Ah, but he is leading, and your positive attitude towards our POTUS and this country has been noted once again!

Leading?  Hardly.  Not in any meaningful sense of the word.  Maybe circulating the toilet, but that’s hardly the sort of leadership that’s needed.

And your fawning idolatrous worship of a very flawed human being is duly noted, once again.

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And I think leaders have a responsibility to figure out a way to motivate the troops to follow them.   One thing that often helps is to clearly communicate to the troops, the vision, values, and objectives.  Here’s an example of the lack of leadership just from yesterday:
 
“As negotiations continue, GOP senators say they need to see what Trump would sign before they can proceed.

"I'm looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign," McConnell told reporters Wednesday. "As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and therefore solve the problem."

I've found that good leaders will often lay out the broad strokes or the lines in the road and then let the troops operate within them and negotiate the details.  Poor leaders fail to communicate what they want or keep moving the goal posts for their troops.  Not surprisingly, this frustrates the troops and often causes them not to want to follow that poor leader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/senate-will-take-up-immigration-daca-bill-that-trump-supports-mitch-mcconnell-says.html

The problem is that they want top down rule and can't grasp that its a very different animal than leadership. It runs counter to everything federalist republicanism has ever been about.

They think Trump has some kind of overwhelming mandate and he clearly doesn't. Trump's primary wins were almost always in the 35 to 38 percent range and I don't think he broke 50 percent till after everybody else dropped out. And then in a nation where less than half of eligible voters vote, he barely squeaked out a win over the world's worst democrat candidate. Basically Trump was elected by around 20% of Americans and has decided to piss off the other 80%. (Someone is sure to come along and wrongly declare that people who didn't vote have no right to speak)

Representatives are elected to represent the people of their individual districts. They were not elected to represent the president. The fact is that Trumper challengers have done exceedingly poorly and hasn't done incumbents any favors either. The screaming moron who challenged my GOP congressman ran on "Trump gonna build a wall" "MAGA!!!!!" and "Messicans took R Jahbs". He adopted the leftist tactic of calling my congressman "Wall street Wally" and in the end he lost by a 70/30 margin.

Trump will go down in history as a one term president who with the help of his MAGA "army" handed the country over to the democrats. We had all 3 branches of the federal government as well as GOP supermajorities in more than half the states (races there are scary too). We had the best chance of real American reform in the past century and a bunch of MAGA idiots have decided to squander it.


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He may want to rethink his approach.  Usually someone approaching you with good news and Awake is going to give you the Jehovah’s Witness pitch.

Scott Walker is a deeply religious man.  He talks like an evangelical because he is one.  Like me.  I voted for him three times.  Last year, for the first time in 26 years, I did not vote republican, and for the first time in 28 years I did not vote.  I will vote for Walker again in 2018, unashamedly.

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The GOPe has no interest in changing. They have held the majority in both Houses for 2 election cycles and haven't done squat except support the leftist and criticize Trump.
Trump is the GOPe. ****sheep****

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There was another special election in WI this week in GOP district that the GOP won. Could it be that this isn't Rat enthusiasm as much as the GOP running another shit candidate in this race?

Since the GOP won a special election in a GOP district, all is well.   888high58888

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It’s not easy to generate enthusiasm in the dead of winter when the messenger is a boring, wonky-eyed drip like Walker.  After getting elected twice and shutting down the recall bid, I was anxious to see how the guy would perform on the national stage.  He was extremely underwhelming.

Governor Walker has been elected 3 times since Nov 2010.  Perhaps you forgot about his recall election.  Governor Walker faced a recall election because he crippled the state government unions, and gave all of WI a taxcut.  He's cut state government spending dramatically...

so I overlook his droopy eyes, much like you overlook the complete embarrassment called the President. 

Governor Walker is not nearly as skilled at insulting, scapegoating, and offending as many Americans as the President.   He doesn't know how to stroke a skinhead, birther, or Milo's ego, but I could not be prouder of my Governor.  I hope to vote for Scott again, if I have not been blown up by Nov.
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The "consistent GOP voter" who didn't vote for the GOP candidate in the '16 election? I guess you will retort with how severely conservative you are next.

I've always been disgusted with the GOP's scapegoating of hispanics, and I've always despised the isolationist wing of the party, but I once voted for the GOP as the lesser of 2 evils, because they claimed, and sometimes delivered on the issues that mattered to me.

1 taxcuts
2 abortion
3 a strong military

If the GOP can make more gains in those areas, I might vote for candidates who reflect those views, but I will never again vote for a republican who doesn't espouses those ideals, and I will not vote for a republican because it helps the team.  Those days are gone.

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Governor Walker has been elected 3 times since Nov 2010.  Perhaps you forgot about his recall election.  Governor Walker faced a recall election because he crippled the state government unions, and gave all of WI a taxcut.  He's cut state government spending dramatically...

so I overlook his droopy eyes, much like you overlook the complete embarrassment called the President. 

Governor Walker is not nearly as skilled at insulting, scapegoating, and offending as many Americans as the President.   He doesn't know how to stroke a skinhead, birther, or Milo's ego, but I could not be prouder of my Governor.  I hope to vote for Scott again, if I have not been blown up by Nov.
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I don't believe edpc is a Trump fan at all.

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I don't believe edpc is a Trump fan at all.
My apologies.  Is he not a fan of republicans?

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My apologies.  Is he not a fan of republicans?

I don't know what he thinks of Republicans in general.

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I checked his last 50 posts.  You are correct he isn't a Trump fan. My deep apologies to @edpc.  I did not intend to slur you, as supporting Trump, intentionally or maliciously...I just didn't check the record. I hope this incident doesn't scar you.

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I've always been disgusted with the GOP's scapegoating of hispanics, and I've always despised the isolationist wing of the party, but I once voted for the GOP as the lesser of 2 evils, because they claimed, and sometimes delivered on the issues that mattered to me.

1 taxcuts 2 abortion 3 a strong military

If the GOP can make more gains in those areas, I might vote for candidates who reflect those views, but I will never again vote for a republican who doesn't espouses those ideals, and I will not vote for a republican because it helps the team.  Those days are gone.

The ones doing the fighting always suspected your type is politically unreliable and useless. Thanks for confirming it. 

If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

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The ones doing the fighting always suspected your type is politically unreliable and useless. Thanks for confirming it. 

If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

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Governor Walker has been elected 3 times since Nov 2010.  Perhaps you forgot about his recall election.  Governor Walker faced a recall election because he crippled the state government unions, and gave all of WI a taxcut.  He's cut state government spending dramatically...


I'm aware of all that.  As I had said in the original quote, he was elected twice and shut down the recall effort.  I had expectations he'd do a lot better in the primary than be did, but he fell completely flat.  It was surprising he had a Rick Perry 2012 or Fred Thompson 2008 like showing after what he'd done for the state.  As for the Trump support, you've figured it out.  There are some negative things about him I don't buy into, like collusion, white supremacy, and insanity.  I just don't trust him, because of the various contradictions in his verifiable words over the decades. 
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

Why would we look for a foxhole among a rabid bunch of you Trump fanatics who declared us traitors and enemies of the state that you hate more than you do Democrats?

Since we are enemies, by your own declarations and threats - there 'aint a chance in hell any of us would trust being on the same battlefield with you people.
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Why would we look for a foxhole among a rabid bunch of you Trump fanatics who declared us traitors and enemies of the state that you hate more than you do Democrats?

Since we are enemies, by your own declarations and threats - there 'aint a chance in hell any of us would trust being on the same battlefield with you people.

I'm with you on the behavior of the Trump supporters.

We do have to admit though that Trump has been pretty faithful to his campaign pledges. He is not all that great at the legislative side of things, but all the Pubs had to do was pass bills and so far they've failed on the 2 big things Obamacare & immigration. Trump has been rescinding the executive orders that Obama signed. Trump has been nominating strict constructionist judges. Trump has confronted issues in foreign policy that all the previous presidents punted on.

My main reason for not voting for Trump was I didn't believe he would do what he said he would do. Also, his brash campaign style and lying about other candidates turned me off. However, despite his negatives I really can't complain about what he's tried to do.

Unfortunately, I think so many swing voters are so concerned with "style points" rather than substance that no matter what they do at this point the Pubs are in big trouble and so is Trump.
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We do have to admit though that Trump has been pretty faithful to his campaign pledges.

If we did not vote for and support Trump 110% from the beginning, then we are forbidden from applauding or commenting in the affirmative, anything we like that Trump does, according to his rabid followers who have declared us enemies.

The only way that demand gets 'lifted' is if we grovel publicly, and affirm and swear that we were stupid not to see Trump's genius and that we swear fealty and loyalty to Trump forever from now on.

Because the only thing Trump's rabid fanatics live for, is to shove their fingers in our face while screaming we are 'losers' and enemies' deserving of gulags and MAGA!, MAGA!, MAGA!

Because you know, acquiescing to that particular kind of persuasive reasoning always changes the minds of those who are governed by principles and not punitive bandwagons.  /sarc.
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If we did not vote for and support Trump 110% from the beginning, then we are forbidden from applauding or commenting in the affirmative, anything we like that Trump does, according to his rabid followers who have declared us enemies.

The only way that demand gets 'lifted' is if we grovel publicly, and affirm and swear that we were stupid not to see Trump's genius and that we swear fealty and loyalty to Trump forever from now on.

Because the only thing Trump's rabid fanatics live for, is to shove their fingers in our face while screaming we are 'losers' and enemies' deserving of gulags and MAGA!, MAGA!, MAGA!

Because you know, acquiescing to that particular kind of persuasive reasoning always changes the minds of those who are governed by principles and not punitive bandwagons.  /sarc.

I've never thought of bullying and shouting "MAGA" at the top of one's lungs as a particularly effective leadership style.

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If we did not vote for and support Trump 110% from the beginning, then we are forbidden from applauding or commenting in the affirmative, anything we like that Trump does, according to his rabid followers who have declared us enemies.

The only way that demand gets 'lifted' is if we grovel publicly, and affirm and swear that we were stupid not to see Trump's genius and that we swear fealty and loyalty to Trump forever from now on.

Because the only thing Trump's rabid fanatics live for, is to shove their fingers in our face while screaming we are 'losers' and enemies' deserving of gulags and MAGA!, MAGA!, MAGA!

Because you know, acquiescing to that particular kind of persuasive reasoning always changes the minds of those who are governed by principles and not punitive bandwagons.  /sarc.

To heck with that, Trump supporters don't determine whether I agree with something or not. If I agree with what Trump does I'll say so and if I disagree I'll say so.

Fanatics are fools. They are blinded by their fanaticism and can't see when they have been taken advantage of. As I said before I think Trump has done pretty well except on the legislative side. I had hoped the career politicians would have been able to handle that side of things, but they've largely failed us and are going to suffer badly in the midterms because of it.
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The ones doing the fighting always suspected your type is politically unreliable and useless. Thanks for confirming it. 

If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

That is excellent advice.
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I'm with you on the behavior of the Trump supporters.

We do have to admit though that Trump has been pretty faithful to his campaign pledges. He is not all that great at the legislative side of things, but all the Pubs had to do was pass bills and so far they've failed on the 2 big things Obamacare & immigration. Trump has been rescinding the executive orders that Obama signed. Trump has been nominating strict constructionist judges. Trump has confronted issues in foreign policy that all the previous presidents punted on.

My main reason for not voting for Trump was I didn't believe he would do what he said he would do. Also, his brash campaign style and lying about other candidates turned me off. However, despite his negatives I really can't complain about what he's tried to do.

Unfortunately, I think so many swing voters are so concerned with "style points" rather than substance that no matter what they do at this point the Pubs are in big trouble and so is Trump.

Damn it... quit being reasonable.  :thumbsup:

I agree with almost all... I do not think 2018 is going to be good to the far left.
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Damn it... quit being reasonable.  :thumbsup:

I agree with almost all... I do not think 2018 is going to be good to the far left.

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