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Offline Right_in_Virginia

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2018, 07:46:28 PM »
I'm glad the President hit the brakes ....

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The United States must adopt an immigration system that serves the national interest. To restore the rule of law and secure our border, President Trump is committed to constructing a border wall and ensuring the swift removal of unlawful entrants. To protect American workers, the President supports ending chain migration, eliminating the Visa Lottery, and moving the country to a merit-based entry system. These reforms will advance the safety and prosperity of all Americans while helping new citizens assimilate and flourish.

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2018, 07:52:02 PM »
More Info Here:

Report: Trump rejects Senate DACA deal
Conservative Review, Jan 11, 2018, Chris Pandolfo

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/report-senate-reaches-daca-deal-give-conservative-demands/
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2018, 08:10:44 PM »
More Info Here:

Report: Trump rejects Senate DACA deal
Conservative Review, Jan 11, 2018, Chris Pandolfo

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/report-senate-reaches-daca-deal-give-conservative-demands/

Flake can piss off.  He's pulling his last string on this one.  All the President has to do is stick with the House on this. 
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2018, 08:45:34 PM »
My, see how fast congress can act when properly motivated.

Too bad the result is predictably J Wellington Wimpyish - I'll gladly fund your border wall, address chain migration and the visa lottery tomorrow for the legalization of illegals today.

I didn't see any mention of a wall. Only a "fence barrier".

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2018, 01:26:49 PM »
He's more of a bother as an obstructionist, voting against things Trump wants.  Outside of that, he's no different than your standard-issue BS Democrat puke.

He voted for the tax bill.  He's a Goldwater conservative, an increasingly rare bird.  If he were to run for President, I'd cut him a check.   A very good man,  IMO.   
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2018, 01:40:55 PM »
He voted for the tax bill.  He's a Goldwater conservative, an increasingly rare bird.  If he were to run for President, I'd cut him a check.   A very good man,  IMO.   

We're talking about Flake?   :silly:

(Would Barry Goldwater have pulled strings with a local Prosecutor to get 23 counts of animal cruelty charges dropped against his kid?)
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2018, 02:15:26 PM »
He voted for the tax bill.  He's a Goldwater conservative, an increasingly rare bird.  If he were to run for President, I'd cut him a check.   A very good man,  IMO.   

Good grief, man, that's absolutely delusional.  Flake has done nothing even remotely conservative.  Do you have him confused with someone else or are you just trolling?
Cui bono?

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2018, 02:23:50 PM »
Good grief, man, that's absolutely delusional.  Flake has done nothing even remotely conservative.  Do you have him confused with someone else or are you just trolling?

Both.  He liked Kasich for President.
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2018, 02:39:32 PM »
Good grief, man, that's absolutely delusional.  Flake has done nothing even remotely conservative.  Do you have him confused with someone else or are you just trolling?

Jeff Flake's lifetime ACU rating is 93.07 percent.   He's a good man,  exactly the sort of rational, reasonable, liberty-centric conservative I support. 

C'mon, Sanguine, I know you're better and smarter than to resort to the easy insults of the UGOI here.   
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2018, 02:51:45 PM »
Jeff Flake's lifetime ACU rating is 93.07 percent.   He's a good man,  exactly the sort of rational, reasonable, liberty-centric conservative I support. 

C'mon, Sanguine, I know you're better and smarter than to resort to the easy insults of the UGOI here.

Jazzhead, his liberty score is a solid F - 57%. 
Cui bono?

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2018, 02:54:18 PM »
Jazzhead, his liberty score is a solid F - 57%.

I confess to not being familiar with the "liberty score".   I've always preferred the ACU ratings - but I'm old school. 
 
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2018, 03:11:33 PM »
I confess to not being familiar with the "liberty score".   I've always preferred the ACU ratings - but I'm old school.

What do you think of 800,000 morphing into 3.25 million, continued chain migration, lack of skills selectivity, to mention some of the crap left in this ridiculous attempt?

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 03:26:42 PM »
What do you think of 800,000 morphing into 3.25 million, continued chain migration, lack of skills selectivity, to mention some of the crap left in this ridiculous attempt?

What do I think?  I think it's a bad deal.   I said so the other day.   The practical issue is we're not going to get everything we'd like in exchange for DACA.  DACA only affects a small number of illegals.   What we need is comprehensive reform, as the President has invited. 
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2018, 03:32:26 PM »
   The last time a President tried to address this problem was the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Sen. Hutchinson (R-TX.) pretty much disabled it the next year with her amendment at the request of the Chamber of Commerce.  Neither party or the Administration want to stop this madness.  I suspect we Americans are about to get screwed again.

Do you remember when Rick Perry ran on building a fence, and a week after he was elected said "Not gonna happen"?
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 05:01:04 PM »
Do you remember when Rick Perry ran on biuling a fence, and a week after he was elected said "Not gonna happen"?

   Yes, I remember that @GrouchoTex It's in their DNA to talk the talk but refuse to walk the walk....politicians.
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2018, 05:06:32 PM »
   Yes, I remember that @GrouchoTex It's in their DNA to talk the talk but refuse to walk the walk....politicians.

From what I have heard, Perry Homes and H-E-B had a lot to do with stopping the fence.
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2018, 05:19:14 PM »
   I always figured the Chamber had big hooks in the GOP to keep up this charade they call Immigration Reform.  We are screwed.
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2018, 05:28:32 PM »
What do I think?  I think it's a bad deal.   I said so the other day.   The practical issue is we're not going to get everything we'd like in exchange for DACA.  DACA only affects a small number of illegals.   What we need is comprehensive reform, as the President has invited.
I'm a bit older than most here. Reagan's "comprehensive" deal in 1986 turned out badly. For example from the start employee documentation was a joke. Maybe still is. The illegal immigrant only had to show copies of some paperwork which was forged. The employer had no right or obligation to verify or validate a thing. It may remain that way now.

So I see "comprehensive," with much concern. Somewhere in the vicinity of 40% of legal immigrants in the US became so,  from "chain migration," aka family reunification etc.

That often entailed bringing elderly parents (aunts, uncles etc.) to America, to go on social security immediately or very soon. Even though they had never paid a penny into the system.

Generally the whole family becomes democrat voters, too. How precisely does America benefit from allowing that?

So instead of "comprehensive," I prefer one element at a time. Why not make the dems concede first, for a change.

Why not tell them first we do the wall. Next end chain migration. Next do skills preferences. DACA comes last.

After all Republicans hold the majority and could theoretically do what Trump has laid down as parameters. DACA was a democrat administrative order. 
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2018, 10:22:03 PM »
Folks, anytime -- ANYTIME (for those of you who wear glasses) -- you see "comprehensive" used in reference to "immigration reform", it can mean only one thing:

AMNESTY.

Just say no, dammit...!!!!

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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2018, 10:47:38 PM »
Folks, anytime -- ANYTIME (for those of you who wear glasses) -- you see "comprehensive" used in reference to "immigration reform", it can mean only one thing:

AMNESTY.

Just say no, dammit...!!!!

Correct.  In simple terms, it means the Dems say give us what we want first, and we'll give you what you want later, conveniently in a later Congress that cannot be compelled by the previous.  They did the same thing with taxes:  Give us a tax hike now, and we'll cut spending later.

How many times is Charlie Brown going to allow Nancy to pull that football away?  Depends.  Is Charlie a member of The Stupid Party?
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2018, 11:31:39 PM »
Both.  He liked Kasich for President.

I can hardly wait till the Demented Windmill's term is up. 
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Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2018, 12:13:49 AM »
I can hardly wait till the Demented Windmill's term is up.

The story won't end there, it just goes into another chapter.
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