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Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« on: December 12, 2017, 02:10:34 am »
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Gil Hodges in the Ebbets Field batting cage . . .

How beloved and respected was Gil Hodges during his playing career? Enough that when he sank into a
ferocious batting slump crossing the end of the 1952 season and the beginning of the 1953 season, the
entire borough of Brooklyn, if not all New York City, took up prayers for him. A devout Roman Catholic,
Hodges was genuinely touched that even non-Catholic churches joined the prayer chain.

The thing that most people hear about that one is that a priest stood in a
Brooklyn pulpit that Sunday and said, “It’s too hot for a sermon. Just go
home and say a prayer for Gil Hodges.” Well, I know that I’ll never forget
that, but also I won’t forget the hundreds of people who sent me letters,
telegrams, and postcards during that World Series. There wasn’t a single
nasty message. Everybody tried to say something nice. It had a tremendous
effect on my morale, if not my batting average.


—Gil Hodges.

Maybe the one character flaw Hodges ever had was a pronounced inability to manage stress. Roger
Kahn in The Boys of Summer has described Hodges’s lifelong propensity to suck it down, stand in,
and take it, but it took its toll. Teammates witnessed his hands shaking violently when trying nothing
more demanding than lighting a cigarette, a seeming anomaly in a man whose physical strength
was considered singular.

Did you hear what happened when Hodges landed in Okinawa? The Japs surrendered. So did half the
Marines.
went one joke about Hodges’s strength. You know what happens when big Gil squeezes that
bat? Instant sawdust.
went another. Once, when he managed the second Washington Senators, he
announced hundred-dollar fines for four players he said violated the team curfew, saying he expected
to see $400 in a cigar box on his desk later that day. He opened the box and found $700.

“[H]e knew how weak physical strength could be,” Kahn wrote.

He had learned that watching his father die one part at a time . . . [H]e drove
himself to move ahead and drove himself to fight down fear, and what can give
a strong athletic man a frightful heart attack at forty-four is the war he wages
within himself, even if he is soft-voiced, like Hodges, and blankets the conflict
under casual remarks, a hard blank look, bantering ways, and the faint, almost
casual smile.

A year after that heart attack, Hodges managed the 1969 Mets to their improbable World Series conquest.
Asked to explain it in the immediate aftermath of the clinching Game Five, Hodges smiled a little more
than casually, spread his hands, and replied, “Can’t be done.” Three years later, a second heart attack
killed him during spring training. At 47.

It’s entirely possible that, with all due respect to Dale Murphy and his supporters, Hodges is the most
popular former player who isn’t in the Hall of Fame. He achieved 60+ percent of the Baseball Writers
Association of America vote twice during his eligibility and missed getting in by way of the Veterans
Committee by a single vote in 1993, when (it was alleged) Ted Williams refused to sanction ailing Roy
Campanella’s vote by telephone.

Hodges never got that close again. He came up for election on the Golden Era Committee ballot three
years ago; that committee elected nobody, with two players—Dick Allen and Tony Oliva—missing by a
single vote. Hodges, Ken Boyer, Billy Pierce, Luis Tiant, and longtime executive Bob Howsam each
received three votes. They meet again next year, and Hodges could still make a return engagement.

Which doesn’t mean he’s any closer to being elected to the Hall of Fame than he was in 2014. And, as
is the case with such public favourites as Murphy and Don Mattingly, Hodges has a case that, regretfully
enough, brings him home short of being a bona fide Hall of Famer. Like them, Hodges would be a Hall
of Famer if all you needed was character. Unlike them, Hodges’s case wasn’t derailed by injuries, though
he did begin dealing with knee issues in earnest in 1960.

In any fresh review of Hodges’s Hall case, he has two problems going in: a) He’s not the best first
baseman who isn’t in the Hall of Fame. b) Keith Hernandez is the best first baseman who isn’t in the
Hall of Fame, maybe the best all-around first baseman who ever played the game, and one who
revolutionised how the position is played defensively while he was at it, and Hernandez’s Hall case,
too, was paddywhacked by injuries when he should have had two or even three more seasons to
secure his case.

Hodges was the best first baseman of a time that actually didn’t produce truly great first basemen.
He won three Gold Gloves and might have won a fourth if the Gloves had been introduced earlier
during his career, and lifetime he was worth 48 runs saved defensively. And he did play on six pennant
winners and two World Series winners as the Dodgers’ regular first baseman.

Hodges may have been beloved, but he was never the best player on his teams. Campanella, Jackie
Robinson, Duke Snider, and Pee Wee Reese were far enough superior players among his Brooklyn
teammates. When the Dodgers went west, Hodges earned a final Gold Glove and finished eighteenth
in the league’s Most Valuable Player voting while playing on a World Series winner that was, arguably,
one of the worst teams ever to win a Series.

He finished his career with 370 home runs, tenth all-time when he retired, but as Jay Jaffe of Sports
Illustrated
points out, he played his absolute prime seasons in the Ebbets Field bandbox while never
finishing higher than fifth among his league’s leaders in OPS, higher than sixth in OPS+, or fifth in
slugging percentage.

Hodges has seven consecutive 100+ runs batted in seasons but never led his league in that category.
He has eleven straight seasons of 22+ home runs including a four-year streak in which he hit 40, 32,
31, and 42, but never led his league in that category, either. From 1949-1957, his 40.9 wins above a
replacement-level player was ninth in the Show and third on the Dodgers, behind Snider’s 58.2 and
Robinson’s 53.0. And his career WAR is 11.4 below the average Hall of Fame first baseman.

How did Hodges finish on the six pennant winners for whom he was a regular player?

1949—Eighth. (3.2.)
1952—Second. (5.5.)
1953—Sixth. (4.5.)
1955—Fifth. (4.4.)
1956—Sixth. (3.5.)
1959—Seventh. (2.8.)
Total—23.9. Average—3.9.

While I was at it, I thought I’d look at Jackie Robinson for 1949-56 (he retired after the 1956 season)
and Duke Snider for the same six as Hodges:

Robinson:
1949—First. (9.6.)
1952—First. (8.5.)
1953—Third. (7.0.)
1955—Eighth. (2.6.)
1956—Fourth. (4.5.)
Total—32.2. Average—6.4.

Snider:
1949—Fifth. (5.2.)
1952—Fourth. (4.6.)
1953—First. (9.3.)
1955—First. (8.6.)
1956—First. (7.6.)
1959—Ninth. (2.3.)
Total—37.6. Average—6.3.

Think about that for a moment. Measured by their wins above a replacement-level player, Duke Snider
was the Dodgers’ best player in half the pennant-winning seasons on which he played as a regular and
one of the five best in two others. Jackie Robinson was the Dodgers’ best player in two and one of the
five best in two more, and overall covering their participation in pennant winners together Duke Snider
was only a sliver behind him.

Gil Hodges, God love and keep him, was never the absolute best player on six pennant-winning Dodger
teams for which he played as their regular first baseman
; he was one of their five best for two of those
seasons and between their sixth and eighth best in four others. Then, what about the seasons in which
Hodges was the Dodgers’ regular first baseman but the Dodgers didn’t win the pennant?

1950—Seventh. (3.5.)
1951—Third. (5.7.)
1954—Second. (6.2.)
1957—Fourth. (4.4.)
1958—Seventh. (1.3.)
Total—21.1. Average—4.2.

Hodges was slightly better in seasons where the Dodgers didn’t win the pennant while he was their
regular first baseman; he was one of the team’s top three players three times, one of their top four
once, and less than one of their top five once.

All the foregoing by itself is not a bona fide Hall of Fame playing record. Now, what if we marry
Hodges’s above average playing career—he’s a classic case of an above- average player who was
periodically great, and that’s allowing for the two seasons he spent in the Marines in World War II—
to his managing career, as so many including myself have liked doing in the past? After all, he did
bring off the impossible in 1969.

Hodges managed the Senators for five seasons before returning to the Mets (who sent the Senators
pitcher Bill Denehy in return) for 1968. The good news is that the Senators improved in every season
Hodges managed them; they won a few more games under his command each time out.

The bad news is that, through little enough fault of his own, he never managed higher than a sixth-
place team, the finish in his final year in Washington. Except for bombardier Frank Howard, some
superb glove men like Ed Brinkman and Ken McMullen, and the occasional quality pitcher like starter
Pete Richert or relievers Ron Kline and (later) Darold Knowles, Hodges never really had solid
Washington teams.

When he became the Mets’ manager, Hodges took them to a ninth-place 1968, an improvement over
their 1967 season. After the 1969 miracle, he led them to identical third-place National League finishes
with identical 83-79 records. He’d kept them pennant-competitive but unable to stay the full course.

His death in spring 1972 robbed him of the chance to continue leading a pennant-competitive team
who eventually snuck into the National League East championship of 1973 and took the Oakland
threshing machine to a seventh World Series game they damn near won—under Yogi Berra’s
command.

It also stuck Hodges with a .420 winning percentage as a manager lifetime, which tells you something
about death too often being a thief of more than just life itself. Two or three more winning seasons, and
maybe the 1973 pennant and a little more managing the Mets, had he lived, might have flipped it over
just enough to put Hodges a handful of points above .500 as a manager.

Don Drysdale said he couldn’t leave his house for three days upon learning of Hodges’s death; it hurt
too deeply. Jackie Robinson, six months shy of his own premature death, weepingly embraced Gil Hodges,
Jr. at the funeral and told him this was the worst day of his life next to the death of his oldest son. New
York only led the mourning for Hodges.

I’m not entirely convinced that being the ninth best player of his prime seasons is really enough to put
Gil Hodges in the Hall of Fame, no matter how popular, beloved, or respected he was (and remains). I’m
not entirely convinced that marrying that to his managing record, even with the Miracle Mets, is really
enough to put him in the Hall of Fame.

But if they ever decide to open up and consecrate a National Baseball Hall of Decency, you can bet
Hodges will go in undebated as part of the charter class.


Asked to explain how the Mets delivered a
1969 miracle, Hodges smiled, spread his
hands, and purred, “Can’t be done.”

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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 05:53:54 pm »
@EasyAce

This LA Times writer tries to make a case for Hodges:

Dodgers Dugout: Why isn't Gil Hodges in the Hall of Fame?

Meanwhile, Baseball Reference supports your analysis.

Hall of Fame Statistics

Black Ink
  Batting - 2 (632), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
  Batting - 128 (143), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
  Batting - 83 (236), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
  Batting - 32 (280), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
  First Base (36th):
    45.0 career WAR / 34.3 7yr-peak WAR / 39.6 JAWS
  Average HOF 1B (out of 20):
    66.4 career WAR / 42.7 7yr-peak WAR / 54.6 JAWS

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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 06:15:36 pm »
It should be renamed The Hall of Stats, then.
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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 06:16:50 pm »
I vividly recall a table top game of 'baseball' that had a cardboard circle cut out for each player.

You placed the cut-out over the template and spun the metal arrow.

Depending on the player's statistics....the fields/areas on the circle were wider for singles, doubles, HRs, etc.,    His Strikeouts and flyouts and ground outs all rounded out the circle.

Gil Hodges ALWAYS got on base for me.   His fields were "HUGE", man!    :laugh:

He was no 'ordinary' 1st baseman.   He and Snider were the NL's answer to Mantle/Maris, IMO.
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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 06:22:15 pm »
@EasyAce

This LA Times writer tries to make a case for Hodges:

Dodgers Dugout: Why isn't Gil Hodges in the Hall of Fame?

Meanwhile, Baseball Reference supports your analysis.

Hall of Fame Statistics

Black Ink
  Batting - 2 (632), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
  Batting - 128 (143), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
  Batting - 83 (236), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
  Batting - 32 (280), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
  First Base (36th):
    45.0 career WAR / 34.3 7yr-peak WAR / 39.6 JAWS
  Average HOF 1B (out of 20):
    66.4 career WAR / 42.7 7yr-peak WAR / 54.6 JAWS

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Gil Hodges is one of those players you want to see in the Hall of Fame despite his credential shortfall. He was
a genuinely loved and decent man and an above-average player in his best seasons. And it became a lot easier
to see him as a Hall of Famer when you considered what he meant to New York when he managed the Mets to that
unlikely World Series triumph. But when you look closely at the record, as I did, and you discover that he was
never considered the best player on his own teams even when they were chasing and winning pennants with
reasonable regularity, you shake your head with a little sadness that a guy like him just didn't quite have whatever
it would have taken to push him across the Hall of Fame line.

It's a syndrome you came to see in later decades with guys like Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly, and Fred McGriff. These
are guys with boatloads of talent and decency whom you want to see in the Hall of Fame. Murphy and Mattingly
were making strong cases when the injury bugs hit them for keeps; McGriff turns out of have been a little bit over-
rated. (He wasn't as run productive in true pressure situations as he was when the game wasn't on the line or
close enough to it, and that's also factoring that he played in a higher-offense period than Murphy and Mattingly.)

You can even think of it when it comes to Roger Maris. Decent fellow. For three years including that one he was
as deadly as they came at the plate. What throttled him? A combination of injuries and the weariness afflicting him
after his monstrous 1961---he'd looked greatness in the eye and what looked back at him, from the asterisk crap
a tunnel-visioned commissioner thought to impose on him (the asterisk never existed and couldn't) to the public
image he suffered with thanks to myopic fans and reporters hammering ridiculously at themes like "only a true
Yankee should have the right [the right, mind you] to even think about chasing (so help me, this is how
they pronounced it back then) ruthsrecord, scared him sh@tless. Starting some time in 1962-63, a series of
injuries sapped his long ball power; he remained an excellent defensive right fielder. The wrist injury that really
put paid to Maris's home run power was also the one whose true seriousness the Yankees actually kept from him---
in 1965, with the club finished as perennial pennant contenders for the first time in decades, its minor league system
parched, and a new management that barely knew what it was doing (CBS wasn't exactly laden with baseball
experts when they bought the Yankees in late 1964), the team needed as much box office as it could get. (Which
also explains in large part why Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford soldiered on despite their best years having passed
and despite injuries turning them into caricatures of what they once were, until Ford's elbow and shoulder finally
drove him away and Mantle's notorious leg injuries finally became too much for him.) Except for Mel Stottlemyre,
whose nine wins down the 1964 stretch helped make the last of the old imperial Yankee pennants possible, no
Yankee produced from 1964-1970 proved more than a journeyman. Among those Yankees who came up between
1962 and 1964, Joe Pepitone looked like a hitter and a slick first baseman but the guy was a basket case; Jim
Bouton looked like a pitcher of the future until his arm and shoulder began barking at him in 1965; Tom Tresh
was a 1962 Rookie of the Year as an infielder but was moved around the field so often as injuries and age claimed
other players that he never developed consistency before a knee injury essentially finished him; and, Al Downing,
a lefthander with Koufax-like stuff and almost the same pitching motion, proved unable to maintain any kind of
consistency. (Downing would eventually enter the history books on the wrong side: he would be the man who
served the pitch Hank Aaron belted to pass Babe Ruth on the all-time career home runs list.)

But three seasons' worth of Hall of Fame level play doesn't make a Hall of Famer no matter how badly you want a
guy to be one.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 06:32:10 pm »
I saw Gil Hodges play in the Lost Angeles Coliseum.

And later I saw his first baseman replacement Wally Moon, 
who's home runs over the left field net were named "moon shots."

These days it would take something really special, for me to venture
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 09:10:41 pm »
@truth_seeker

Wally Moon was NL Rookie of the Year in 1954. Look who he beat out.

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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 09:22:26 pm »
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Wally Moon was NL Rookie of the Year in 1954. Look who he beat out.
Wally Moon. Wow.  At the plate hitting one of his "moon shots" over that screen, is in my memory.

I am very visual. I just go with it.

A similar memory is in the tunnel at the Coliseum, being introduced to Ollie Matson.

The father of a childhood friend, was President of the Los Angeles Striders, in that era one of the top amateur athletic clubs in the country.

My last trip to the Coliseum was to see Todd Marinovich start for the Raiders. The locals burned the city, soon thereafter.

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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 03:56:48 am »
I vividly recall a table top game of 'baseball' that had a cardboard circle cut out for each player.

You placed the cut-out over the template and spun the metal arrow.

Depending on the player's statistics....the fields/areas on the circle were wider for singles, doubles, HRs, etc.,    His Strikeouts and flyouts and ground outs all rounded out the circle.

Gil Hodges ALWAYS got on base for me.   His fields were "HUGE", man!    :laugh:
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And you're exactly right about Gil Hodges' disk!  I loved having him on my team.    :beer:

Interestingly, there was a game called Gil Hodges' Pennant Fever that came out in 1970.  https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25879/gil-hodges-pennant-fever

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2018, 04:03:18 am »
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CADACO's All-Star Baseball, first published in 1941!  https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3157/all-star-baseball



And you're exactly right about Gil Hodges' disk!  I loved having him on my team.    :beer:

Interestingly, there was a game called Gil Hodges' Pennant Fever that came out in 1970.  https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25879/gil-hodges-pennant-fever



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 :beer: 

My brothers and I played so many Yankees vs. Braves....Dodgers vs. Yankees, that we wore out the cardboard disks.

But it wasn't right that the players' stats weren't updated....IOW, new set of player disks for each new season would have been nice.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 04:41:32 am »
But it wasn't right that the players' stats weren't updated....IOW, new set of player disks for each new season would have been nice.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 04:46:22 am »
But it wasn't right that the players' stats weren't updated....IOW, new set of player disks for each new season would have been nice.

Oh, they did. They updated the game each year, (for most if the game's hostory), and sold new updates via mail order.  Some were on sheets that you had to cut out.  I remember hating the discs with the cutout centers...the solid disks were best.

Roy Campanella was another favorite.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2018, 04:48:45 am »
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Imagine what the Strat-O-Matic people would do with the availability of stats updated daily as you can get with baseball-reference.com and Retrosheet and FanGraphs!
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Strat-o-matic is still around.
http://www.strat-o-matic.com

There are great computer simulators, too.
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Re: Is Gil Hodges really shy of being a Hall of Famer?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 03:45:03 pm »
Yes, Hodges hit fifty more homers at home, but he hit five pts. higher for BA, about twenty more doubles, an equal amount of triples, and only 22 less rbi away.

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 05:39:10 pm »
@EasyAce
Strat-o-matic is still around.
http://www.strat-o-matic.com

There are great computer simulators, too.
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Thanks! It looks great.


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