Will misconduct scandals make men wary of women at work?

[rangerrebew]

Dec 11, 12:47 AM EST

Will misconduct scandals make men wary of women at work?

By JENNIFER PELTZ
Associated Press
 
NEW YORK (AP) -- Some women, and men, worry the same climate that's emboldening women to speak up about sexual misconduct could backfire by making some men wary of female colleagues.

Forget private meetings and get-to-know-you dinners. Beware of banter. Think twice before a high-ranking man mentors a young female staffer.

"I have already heard the rumblings of a backlash: 'This is why you shouldn't hire women,'" Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg wrote in a recent post .

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/APFN_US_SEXUAL_MISCONDUCT_FEAR_OF_BACKLASH_ILOL-?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[DB]

When your livelihood is one complaint from doom, no evidence required and no appeal, it does make one very hesitant to take the risk.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Without a clear definition of "misconduct", women's responsibilities as well as men's and a statute of limitations on reporting the misconduct, the short answer is "yes".

And then women will sue under discrimination.

This mess will only get worse before it gets better.

[jmyrlefuller]

Gee, put people in situations where they're screwed either way. What could possibly go wrong?!

[Cripplecreek]

I was accused of assaulting a female co-worker this fall.

She was fired by the 2 females who own the company.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The downside of the #MeToo movement starting to dawn on women
American Thinker, Dec 11, 2017, Thomas Lifson

The rules of interaction between women and men in the workplace have been changed with a suddenness that inevitably produces unforeseen negative consequences, no matter how positive and necessary the switch might be. The Associated Press this morning runs a feature article whose title asks a question that answers itself: “Will misconduct scandals make men wary of women at work?”

Duh! The careers of men are being destroyed on the basis of accusations alone, so of course we worry. While there is no ambiguity over Weinstein-like criminal behavior, there is a spectrum of behavior that women potentially can find objectionable, and at the other of the scale from Weinstein there is a lot of potential for career-ending misunderstanding.  For all we know, a greeting like, “Good morning! That’s a lovely outfit” could be the basis of a complaint to HR. The AP’s Jennifer Peltz appreciates this in her article:


More: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/12/the_downside_of_the_metoo_movement_starting_to_dawn_on_women.html

[LMAO]

It’s in our nature to take the path of least resistance and to void anything that would cause harm or grief to us

I read a while back about  police in urban areas are no longer taking an active role in policing. I can see the same phenomenon  eventually happening in business, male female interaction etc. etc.

  A man will figure out eventually that he doesn’t need to compliment women but he needs to keep his job. When and if that day comes women will wonder what the hell is wrong with men these days

[bolobaby]

I've been on the receiving end of a false complaint over 20 years ago while working at a shipping company. One of the other supervisors was aggressively trying to get me to dump my girlfriend and date her. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, she filed a sexual harassment claim. No kidding.

Luckily, the facility manager knew what was going on. He had seen her pursuing me relentlessly.

BUT...

Because the complaint was filed, I still had to endure eight hours of sexual harassment training, "as a matter of procedure." Everyone knew it was BS, but I still suffered. Moreover, it was in my employee file, so it could have later been used to establish a "pattern of behavior."

Such bullcrap.

[dfwgator]

I've been on the receiving end of a false complaint over 20 years ago while working at a shipping company. One of the other supervisors was aggressively trying to get me to dump my girlfriend and date her. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, she filed a sexual harassment claim. No kidding.

Luckily, the facility manager knew what was going on. He had seen her pursuing me relentlessly.

BUT...

Because the complaint was filed, I still had to endure eight hours of sexual harassment training, "as a matter of procedure." Everyone knew it was BS, but I still suffered. Moreover, it was in my employee file, so it could have later been used to establish a "pattern of behavior."

Such bullcrap.

Don't hire women, problem solved. 

(Yes, I'm joking, but the thought is going to enter some hiring managers' minds)

[Right_in_Virginia]

. . .  BUT...

Because the complaint was filed, I still had to endure eight hours of sexual harassment training, "as a matter of procedure." Everyone knew it was BS, but I still suffered. Moreover, it was in my employee file, so it could have later been used to establish a "pattern of behavior."  Such bullcrap.

Just curious @bolobaby did the woman also have to endure sexual harassment training?

[bolobaby]

Just curious @bolobaby did the woman also have to endure sexual harassment training?

Ha - no, of course not.

One thing I've discovered in corporate America: the first to complain is ALWAYS the aggrieved party, regardless of facts. Want bonus points? If you are a woman, CRY and the guy will automatically lose the argument.

Sad, but true.

[driftdiver]

I've been on the receiving end of a false complaint over 20 years ago while working at a shipping company. One of the other supervisors was aggressively trying to get me to dump my girlfriend and date her. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, she filed a sexual harassment claim. No kidding.

Luckily, the facility manager knew what was going on. He had seen her pursuing me relentlessly.

BUT...

Because the complaint was filed, I still had to endure eight hours of sexual harassment training, "as a matter of procedure." Everyone knew it was BS, but I still suffered. Moreover, it was in my employee file, so it could have later been used to establish a "pattern of behavior."

Such bullcrap.

Been there myself.  women get away with the foulest behavior and everyones afraid to make an issue of it,

[bolobaby]

Been there myself.  women get away with the foulest behavior and everyones afraid to make an issue of it,

A woman I worked with at a major cable company had male swimsuit model wallpaper on her computer. No one ever said a word to her about removing it, although all the guys privately said, "Oh, crap - could you imagine if I had women in swimsuits as wallpaper? End of the world!"

[Sanguine]

Yes, women are bad, they shouldn't be hired, and every one of them will ensnare you with their feminine wiles, given the chance. 

Sheesh!   

[bolobaby]

Yes, women are bad, they shouldn't be hired, and every one of them will ensnare you with their feminine wiles, given the chance. 

Sheesh!   

Hmmm... I'm having trouble finding that sentiment in the source material or in the comments...

Typical female overreaction, I guess! ;-)

[driftdiver]

Yes, women are bad, they shouldn't be hired, and every one of them will ensnare you with their feminine wiles, given the chance. 

Sheesh!   

@Sanguine
Yes, yes they are.  Bout time you admitted it.

/s

[truth_seeker]

I remember during my corporate years, when smart guys and gals would not risk their professional careers, playing romance games on the job.

After I left, I learned my boss and my subordinate had been having afair. They kept it private until both had left the company.

A few years later they married, and remained so until he died a couple of year ago. Two CPAs and corporate finance officers btw.

[Cyber Liberty]

Fortunately for me they laid off all the women I worked with.  Unfortunately, they laid everybody else off too, leaving me alone and carrying all the work.  Can't win.

Merry Christmas to me!   

[Sanguine]

Hmmm... I'm having trouble finding that sentiment in the source material or in the comments...

Typical female overreaction, I guess! ;-)

Typical male avoidance of issues...

[Sanguine]

I remember during my corporate years, when smart guys and gals would not risk their professional careers, playing romance games on the job.

After I left, I learned my boss and my subordinate had been having afair. They kept it private until both had left the company.

A few years later they married, and remained so until he died a couple of year ago. Two CPAs and corporate finance officers btw.

That's the truth of it.   

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine
Yes, yes they are.  Bout time you admitted it.

/s

  

[Cyber Liberty]

Typical male avoidance of issues...

Issues?  What issues? 

[driftdiver]

@Sanguine
 

Of course not all women are that bad, most aren't.   Enough are to cause significant problems in the workplace though.  Those that are bad force companies to manage to the lowest common denominator.  They also hurt the good women because men end up defensive out of self preservation.

[Cyber Liberty]

 
 

We need to have a talk about your violent tendencies.

[driftdiver]

We need to have a talk about your violent tendencies.

She is violent.  but thats acceptable for women to joke about hitting men.  If a man joked about hitting women then it would be a crime.