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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2017, 10:22:29 pm »
It's not the women causing the trouble.

But as long as the men are doing the hiring....

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2017, 10:24:49 pm »
If we held everyone to the absolute purist standards being bantered about there would be no one left to run anything.

As I remember, guys found out how far girls would go, by trying. I believe it has largely been that way from early days, notwithstanding puritanical claims of the contrary.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2017, 10:28:46 pm »
Maybe I'm off on this, but from my personal experience ALL women start dating after the divorce papers are filed. I'm confused as to what the issue is here? I think they are saying that he started dating her before the divorce was 'finalized'. But again, from my experience this is totally common and completely natural.


I have never known any woman to wait for the divorce to be finalized before they start dating again. I must be missing something?
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2017, 10:36:41 pm »
But as long as the men are doing the hiring....

As long as men are doing the hiring, women will be hired.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2017, 10:37:40 pm »
As I remember, guys found out how far girls would go, by trying. I believe it has largely been that way from early days, notwithstanding puritanical claims of the contrary.

And, probably at least a few of these cases are along those lines.  Many are not.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2017, 10:41:25 pm »
It's not the women causing the trouble.


Perhaps more so than you might think.   Women often have no understanding of male sex drive.   The mere presence of women often causes men to go into "pursuit mode",   and because women do not have such strong and often difficult to control urges,   they don't grasp how much pressure this puts on a male.   


I recall reading several years ago an account written by a woman who had to take testosterone to treat some sort of medical condition.   She remarked that she had never experienced anything like it,   and she then felt an over powering urge to "go our and rape somebody."   

She said she then had a better understanding of why men were so aggressive sexually.   


Women will often interact casually as if they don't have a care in the world,   but men sometimes look at women as if someone was parading a banquet in front of them while they are starving.   


There is a reason we have historically tried to keep male and female vocations separate.   It causes problems,  and these problems are inherent in the nature of men and women.   
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2017, 10:45:56 pm »

Perhaps more so than you might think.   Women often have no understanding of male sex drive.   The mere presence of women often causes men to go into "pursuit mode",   and because women do not have such strong and often difficult to control urges,   they don't grasp how much pressure this puts on a male.   


I recall reading several years ago an account written by a woman who had to take testosterone to treat some sort of medical condition.   She remarked that she had never experienced anything like it,   and she then felt an over powering urge to "go our and rape somebody."   

She said she then had a better understanding of why men were so aggressive sexually.   


Women will often interact casually as if they don't have a care in the world,   but men sometimes look at women as if someone was parading a banquet in front of them while they are starving.   


There is a reason we have historically tried to keep male and female vocations separate.   It causes problems,  and these problems are inherent in the nature of men and women.

Nope, and I don't care.  Keep your pants on and your hands to yourself in the workplace, male or female.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2017, 10:52:22 pm »
Nope, and I don't care.  Keep your pants on and your hands to yourself in the workplace, male or female.


As if that is a viable solution.    Normal men pursue women.   This is what they are wired to do.   Telling them to "stop it",   is just naive.   


This is where theory breaks down against reality.   


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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2017, 10:57:37 pm »

As if that is a viable solution.    Normal men pursue women.   This is what they are wired to do.   Telling them to "stop it",   is just naive.   


This is where theory breaks down against reality.   

Naive?  No, it's not.  Men should act like adults at work.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2017, 11:07:26 pm »
And adultery means "having sex", not "going out". I'm married and I go places with other women. We just don't touch each other (ewww).
Well, there is more to the Moore story, here, please note the dates involved.

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Divorce records obtained by the Washington Examiner show that Kayla, however, had not yet even filed for divorce from her first husband, John Charles Heald, by the time she caught Moore’s attention at the Christmas gathering. In fact, Kayla and Heald had only just separated on Dec. 1, 1984, two weeks before her and Moore’s serendipitous introduction.

The same records show Kayla filed for divorce at a courthouse in Floyd County, Ga., on Dec. 28, 1984. The divorce was finalized nearly four months later on April 19, and a permanent custody judgment was issued on Jan. 9, 1989.

So, he met her after they were separated, they met at a Christmas gathering. Now, a respectable woman isn't going to just go and jump into bed with some guy she just met (feel free to argue if you want to), and while they may have spent time getting to know each other without engaging in sexual activity until after the divorce, there are apparently a buttload of self-righteous horndogs around who just can't see that happening.

It seems pretty normal to me that she would not be in a huge hurry to get hooked up again, if for no other reason than maintaining appearances. Once more, the allegation assumes things which are not in evidence.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2017, 11:08:04 pm »
As I remember, guys found out how far girls would go, by trying. I believe it has largely been that way from early days, notwithstanding puritanical claims of the contrary.

I was ‘active’ in late 60’s and 70’s. I know what high school and college kids did and most were getting their freak on without much angst or overthinking it.

Now I can’t speak for the others, but I was a gentleman about it. I understood where the lines were. I found it was always best to approach the female cautiously until a clear signal was established; though – and here’s where it got tricky – sometimes their lips said no but the vibe was definitely yes.

Long as we’re being open, we did have a name for them, though I won’t say it here.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2017, 11:08:09 pm »

As if that is a viable solution.    Normal men pursue women.   This is what they are wired to do.   Telling them to "stop it",   is just naive.   


This is where theory breaks down against reality.   
Reality is that it is bad policy to get laid where you get paid, unless you are a gigolo.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2017, 11:10:29 pm »
I was ‘active’ in late 60’s and 70’s. I know what high school and college kids did and most were getting their freak on without much angst or overthinking it.

Now I can’t speak for the others, but I was a gentleman about it. I understood where the lines were. I found it was always best to approach the female cautiously until a clear signal was established; though – and here’s where it got tricky – sometimes their lips said no but the vibe was definitely yes.

Long as we’re being open, we did have a name for them, though I won’t say it here.
This.
While the vibe may have been different, the lips spoke the rules. Going beyond that was inviting problems, even then.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2017, 11:23:48 pm »
There's certainly one about bearing false witness.

 :amen: Certainly more than one here who does not care about such.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2017, 11:28:02 pm »

The problem is, Roy Moore and many of his fanatical followers seem to take a holier-than-thou approach to life.  The perception is that they show little compassion, understanding, and mercy for those in rough straits...but then aren't so perfect in their own lives.  This looks like hypocrisy.

That doesn't seem true at all. By far and away, the argument here has been for some actual evidence - Which even yet is not forthcoming. It takes more than tongue-waggin to tear a man's honor down.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2017, 11:31:56 pm »
That doesn't seem true at all. By far and away, the argument here has been for some actual evidence - Which even yet is not forthcoming. It takes more than tongue-waggin to tear a man's honor down.
Well, they got a bunch of flapping lips, too!  :shrug:
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2017, 11:34:24 pm »
That doesn't seem true at all. By far and away, the argument here has been for some actual evidence - Which even yet is not forthcoming. It takes more than tongue-waggin to tear a man's honor down.

Right! I am amazed just how many here would go "All In" on an "October" surprise. The toungue wagers have certainly fallen of the charts with me for considerin' any of there posts with any credibility.

I am sure that will not bother 'Em. But it sure cuts down scanning a thread when you can just passover posts from such.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2017, 11:44:16 pm »
The fact is that Moore and his supporters aren't Christians. They may go to church and quote the bible freely but they show a complete and utter disregard for their final judgement. That tells me that they don't really believe there will be a God judging them. They're just like every other liberal on the planet who believes they should do whatever they want because there will be no consequences. After all they've spent the past couple of years supporting a man they know is an immoral degenerate liar and its becoming easier for them.

I may not be the greatest Christian but I do understand that I alone am responsible for my soul. As I've gotten older not a day passes when I don't make a decision involving asking myself If I want to face God with it.

Oh....brrrrother.   The sanctimony (and BS) is really getting thick & deep in here today. 

Idiotic, to say the least.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2017, 11:48:57 pm »
The fact is that Moore and his supporters aren't Christians. They may go to church and quote the bible freely but they show a complete and utter disregard for their final judgement. That tells me that they don't really believe there will be a God judging them. They're just like every other liberal on the planet who believes they should do whatever they want because there will be no consequences. After all they've spent the past couple of years supporting a man they know is an immoral degenerate liar and its becoming easier for them.

I may not be the greatest Christian but I do understand that I alone am responsible for my soul. As I've gotten older not a day passes when I don't make a decision involving asking myself If I want to face God with it.

I don't know about the one you read,  but my Bible has many cautions about spreading rumors and bearing false witness.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2017, 11:52:34 pm »
I don't know about the one you read,  but my Bible has many cautions about spreading rumors and bearing false witness.

And.... about judging others (lest ye be judged)....

Which is why it borders on the absurd for someone to allude to them being such a "good Christian"... even while engaging in these same behaviors in judging and accusing others.
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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2017, 11:52:37 pm »
Oh....brrrrother.   The sanctimony (and BS) is really getting thick & deep in here today. 

Idiotic, to say the least.


As I've gotten older not a day passes when I don't make a decision involving asking myself If I want to face God with it.

Maybe he should convert to Catholicism, then he can do what I do and keep Father on speed dial.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2017, 11:56:25 pm »

As I've gotten older not a day passes when I don't make a decision involving asking myself If I want to face God with it.

Maybe he should convert to Catholicism, then he can do what I do and keep Father on speed dial.

Lol... I doubt that in his case that would work.   It's that 'ongoing' kinda thing that makes it quite probably unredeemable.  I think you have to "go and sin no more" in order for forgiveness to work....

even in Catholicism.   ^-^
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2017, 12:05:39 am »
Lol... I doubt that in his case that would work.   It's that 'ongoing' kinda thing that makes it quite probably unredeemable.  I think you have to "go and sin no more" in order for forgiveness to work....

even in Catholicism.   ^-^

Actually, if my Alter Boy years taught me anything... besides the difference betwixt good wine and bad... yes my years of service covered three different  Priests. Leaned at a tender age Gallo from German Whites. Felt it was my duty to taste test in order to protect Father from any nefarious assassination plots from the Baptist.

Anywho I digress. It is not so much, "now go forth and sin no more", as it is you are truly contrite and feel what you have done is a sin. If we were perfect... maybe. But we are not... That is why Confession is every Saturday. Twice during Lent.
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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2017, 12:06:33 am »
It's amazing what minutiae the press can dig up on a low-level politician running for Senate and they can't find anything about Clinton, Comey, Mueller, Franken, etc., ad infinitum.

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Re: Court records suggest Roy Moore dated wife while she was still married
« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2017, 01:26:31 am »
Naive?  No, it's not.  Men should act like adults at work.

A concept that seems obvious to adults.......

But I guess we are being forced to accept that since, "Boys will be boys,"  that adult men are not capable of controlling themselves.

(I know a heck of a lot of men who would object to the idea that they were not in control of their hormones. But I guarantee that these "men can't help themselves" apologists are  probably are the first to make fun of women for theirs.  Ironic, no??)
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